The Amazing Spider-Man v.2 - Part 2

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Speaking of Eddie Brock possibly being killed off, I'm also getting the feeling that Marvel is going to to do something else in Spider-Island that they teased at in the letter's pages.

That Mary Jane is also going to be killed off, as well.

You've got the letters page from issue #666 in which author of one of the letters--as part of her tongue-in-cheek proposal for becoming Spidey's new sidekick--writes:



And the response was:



Then, in issue #668, another fan asked these questions:



And the responses to both:



And yes, those capitalized words were capitalized in the responses.

And I hope I'm wrong.

Also, I'm thinking Spidey may end up killing someone after all, probably whoever the mysterious woman is, as hinted in this question and answer in the letter's pages for issue #668:

that will just tripple confirm why I've lost all faith in my spidey stories... not to mention it'd be extremely boring idea... can they think of anything more impactful than constantly killing off spidey's loved ones?
 
that will just tripple confirm why I've lost all faith in my spidey stories... not to mention it'd be extremely boring idea... can they think of anything more impactful than constantly killing off spidey's loved ones?

Seriously. :o

I'd rather Anti-Venom than MJ.
 
Seriously. :o

I'd rather Anti-Venom than MJ.

marvel needs to get there heads out of there asses and realize 90% of death's are a cheap cheap cheap ploy, and complete lazy writing. The less you kill off the actual more impactful a real death is. Death's are fine, and more than sanctioned.. but marvel does far far far too many these days... in the last ... 5 years we've had far tooo many deaths.. which I honestly can't think of 1 that has had that much of an emotional impact... and half of those dead..... have already returned..
 
Speaking of Eddie Brock possibly being killed off, I'm also getting the feeling that Marvel is going to to do something else in Spider-Island that they teased at in the letter's pages.

That Mary Jane is also going to be killed off, as well.

Ha! Ha hahAHAAHAha! Funny. Marvel can bite me if that s&^* flies.
 
I love the over-reaction to the possibility that MJ is going to did... lulz
 
Well, what do you really expect dude? People love her, people haven't been happy about the direction that things have taken during and after the break up. Some people said, eh get over it. And well, some people like me shrugged their shoulders and accepted it and enjoyed the stories that they could since realistically, there was no alternative. But this idea that she could be killed stinks. I mean you've gotta at least see how that would make people mad dude.

There were arguments that "hey, look, she's not married to Pete, but she'll have some role to play." Then we got some jabs at the marriage or good natured ribbing depending on your views. Then she's been phased almost completely out of the book, and now there's the potential that she's killed off. While we don't have concrete evidence that it may happen, it looks like a possibility. I don't get what's so ridiculous about people speculating and getting upset. In the past you could paint some of the complaints and detractors as being over the top, but this just is something major.


Also, Spideyboy: I totally agree with you. Death is a concept waaaay overused to build up a false moment of drama and offers no pay off. It is cheap and lazy due to it's overuse. If they spaced it out a bit, I wouldn't mind even though I know that death in the MU isn't permanent. It still is incredibly annoying when it's used as a cheap out for an arc. If it's done well, I don't mind, but it's been ridiculous for a long time now.

It's funny, a while back, I said I'd love for Anti-Venom to have a big moment inwhich he heals a load of people thus saving them from some maddening end game as a chance to prove himself. I just didn't want him to die. I was hoping this would be a stepping stone for him into a new chapter of greatness. Here's hoping that if this is the "end" of Anti-Venom, I hope that Brock survives and becomes a mentor of sorts to Flash or something useful that continues his path of growth into a heroic, but unstable being. Dread, I liked your addressing of how his role as the crazy guy trying to do good and spread the truth has been an interesting part of his character. I think if writers continue to use Brock in a consistent voice, he'll be great.
 
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I like growth in characters... and believe no one is litterally a dead end. Just VERY unimaginative writers. While i've not been reading the comics, i've loved the fact that MJ is on of the NYC-ers who has spider-man's abilities... so for once she can actually truly experience what it's like to be peter... I think that's absolutely brilliant and great for her. Now.. if she kept them, that'd possibly be even better. MJ i've always felt is one of the strongest women, role models, and icons of the marvel universe. She's a hero in her own right, and i was actually a big supporter of her becoming Jackpot when it was first teased. It at least puts her in a new direction, and grow as a character. Killing her however... is just reallllly desperate and bad writing.
 
Nobody said she was "dead"... so why react as if somebosy's "assumption" was real... that's the part that I'm finding quite amusing...

lulz...

:yay:
 
I do agree that Venom's design was very cool before Marvel started going too insane with the tongue, drool, and fangs - which started during Erik Larson's run if memory serves. Which is a little odd as overall I did like Larson's run. But that legacy perhaps wasn't one of them.

That would be correct. Erik Larsen didn't like Venom, so he made him uglier and uglier so he wouldn't have to draw him.

I agree with the criticism about Julie as Madam Web; she's essentially talking in what I call "Mentor". That is, her dialogue is often exposition, told in riddles, that doesn't usually do more than vaguely foreshadow something. I mean, what happened to her daughter? Her romance with Shroud? Those were plot points as recently as 2007-2008.

I sincerely hope that MJ isn't the sacrificial lamb. Again, why do we need one? Stories can and have been good and important without one. It would be a bad, divisive move at the wrong time.

Agreed.
 
If they kill MJ they are ruining a lot of story opportunities. I liked Carlie there for a little bit but the latest issues have had a little too much Carlie Cooper oversaturation to the point where they should change the title from The Amazing Spider-Man to the Amazing Carlie Cooper. She's a smart, independent female character and I've always liked that about her...but when she's OUTSMARTING the main character of the book time and time again...we are kind of getting the point...she's smart like Pete is! :oldrazz:

I REALLY doubt they are going to kill MJ and if this were speculated five years ago I'd be up on my feet cheering because I never liked the MJ character. However, they did Brand New Day and I got my single Peter Parker...all was well.

If they kill MJ in Spider-Island though it really makes that claim that Pete made, "No one else dies" really mean absolutely nothing. :oldrazz: So I'm saying very doubtful she will be killed but...you NEVER know. :wow:
 
marvel needs to get there heads out of there asses and realize 90% of death's are a cheap cheap cheap ploy, and complete lazy writing. The less you kill off the actual more impactful a real death is. Death's are fine, and more than sanctioned.. but marvel does far far far too many these days... in the last ... 5 years we've had far tooo many deaths.. which I honestly can't think of 1 that has had that much of an emotional impact... and half of those dead..... have already returned..

Indeed. I mean, Cable has barely been dead 12 full months and Marvel is already teasing his return - because he was such a sales juggernaut in recent years. Marvel had to literally pair him with Deadpool for 2 years to get a Cable series to sell lately. Deadpool, meanwhile, can still support 1-2 titles above cancellation level. Not that I'm a major 'Pool fan, but I don't recall much demand for Cable. We'll also have a version of Nightcrawler returning, and he's been dead not much longer. CHAOS WAR was used to revive most of ALPHA FLIGHT after a 5-6 year dirt nap, and guess what? Initial demand exceeded Marvel's expectations. Sure, sales for issue two were ugly, but it's something.

Old time death stories became classic because they were rare. Nowadays they have become obligations and often read and are planned as such. Virtually every big event has to provide some designated corpses along with the crossovers to feel "important". But in the end, anything loses value if overused. Even dollars - that's what inflation is.

The best events work as stories that aren't trying to check off points on a checklist but are actually telling a story. While SPIDER-ISLAND isn't flawless, it feels more like a story than FEAR ITSELF does, with better build-up. Hopefully, things don't go downhill as they seem to do in so many Marvel events.

Nobody said she was "dead"... so why react as if somebosy's "assumption" was real... that's the part that I'm finding quite amusing...

lulz...

:yay:

What do you expect? MJ is a very long term and beloved character in ASM, and everyone knows most events have corpses. Marvel has been seeking to ensure that the Parker marriage won't revive and everyone knows that most senior editors would do almost anything for sales. Tom Brevoort would pretend to eat a comic on camera to try to sell something (and he did).

There also is that sense that Marvel has sought to "oversell" Carlie Cooper to fans and one way of continuing that would be to eliminate MJ. This would be bad; after all, when Joe Q took over in 2000, Mackie was doing this whole labored storyline where he seemingly killed MJ off in an explosion so Pete could be a swingin' single again. It was a disaster, and one he helped end. Funny how a big movie in 2002 pretty much was why JMS was likely encouraged to patch up the couple, when Joe would later claim he'd always hated the marriage.

The issue with MJ is similar to what happens when DC reboots things. To a great deal of readers who are under 30, MJ was a critical part of their Spidey experience and a key component to their enjoyment of the franchise. Getting used to her not being Peter's wife is difficult enough, but killing her off would be even worse. I don't feel now is the time to divide fans further.

That would be correct. Erik Larsen didn't like Venom, so he made him uglier and uglier so he wouldn't have to draw him.

I hadn't heard that one. And the irony is I actually liked Larson's run on ASM overall - although I'll cop to being young and thus impressionable at the time. But the legacy he left behind on Venom didn't always do the character any favors in terms of exaggerated designs.

It's funny, a while back, I said I'd love for Anti-Venom to have a big moment inwhich he heals a load of people thus saving them from some maddening end game as a chance to prove himself. I just didn't want him to die. I was hoping this would be a stepping stone for him into a new chapter of greatness. Here's hoping that if this is the "end" of Anti-Venom, I hope that Brock survives and becomes a mentor of sorts to Flash or something useful that continues his path of growth into a heroic, but unstable being. Dread, I liked your addressing of how his role as the crazy guy trying to do good and spread the truth has been an interesting part of his character. I think if writers continue to use Brock in a consistent voice, he'll be great.

Right. While if Slott has a choice between Brock or MJ as a designated corpse, I'd rather it be Brock, but that's like preferring to lose the pinky finger over the thumb. Ideally, you'd like to lose neither. Let a story play out and try to make it important without a cheap, shock value death - in fact, if I was EIC, that'd be my challenge to all of my writers for a few months.

Brock becoming a mentor to Flash might remind some too much of the Caretaker role that is often used in Ghost Rider, or the role Johnny Blaze once had for Dan Ketch. Neither were known for clarity or sanity many times.

Again, I like the role Anti-Venom seems to be playing in the book since I've been reading it. He has a dodgy reason for why he still has Venom-like powers, without the weaknesses, without the alien, but it's no less dodgy than a lot of comic book contrivances. Slott, at least in "THE GHOST OF JEAN DEWOLFE", seemed to be trying to merge a lot of the conflicting takes on Brock and try to condense them into a whole - which works to a degree since Brock is supposed to be a bit insane (not quite stark raving mad, but not the picture of mental health, either). Anti-Venom wants to be a vigilante, protect the innocent and more importantly, mangle and instill fear into evildoers. He's so crazy that almost nobody trusts him, as he's turned on heroes and villains alike. He's still obsessed with Spider-Man to the point that he eagerly wants to convince Spidey that he's a heroic ally these days - after all, Brock had a lot of stalker-ish qualities to him when he was originally created. Yet Spider-Man and a lot of other criminals don't take him seriously, even with all the teeth and tongue bits. So, he's a monster who isn't always scary, a crazy guy who isn't always wrong, and a vigilante nobody trusts, but who shouldn't always be ignored or dismissed. I see a lot more potential here than in setting all this up just for a heroic sacrifice.

Of course, since Li's powers were a deus ex machina before, there's no telling whether it would be permanent. Kaine was seemingly killed off and buried, but is now the Tarantula.
 
What do you expect? MJ is a very long term and beloved character in ASM, and everyone knows most events have corpses. Marvel has been seeking to ensure that the Parker marriage won't revive and everyone knows that most senior editors would do almost anything for sales. Tom Brevoort would pretend to eat a comic on camera to try to sell something (and he did).

There also is that sense that Marvel has sought to "oversell" Carlie Cooper to fans and one way of continuing that would be to eliminate MJ. This would be bad; after all, when Joe Q took over in 2000, Mackie was doing this whole labored storyline where he seemingly killed MJ off in an explosion so Pete could be a swingin' single again. It was a disaster, and one he helped end. Funny how a big movie in 2002 pretty much was why JMS was likely encouraged to patch up the couple, when Joe would later claim he'd always hated the marriage.

The issue with MJ is similar to what happens when DC reboots things. To a great deal of readers who are under 30, MJ was a critical part of their Spidey experience and a key component to their enjoyment of the franchise. Getting used to her not being Peter's wife is difficult enough, but killing her off would be even worse. I don't feel now is the time to divide fans further.

I agree with everything you said... however, until we get a Marvel press conference discussion MJ's upcoming demise, and/or we see it happen in print (to which, she could still come back... they all do... :o), then why get excited about something that hasn't happened, nor has it been annouced that it'll happen?

It's just "guess work" based on a twisted way to look at letter column answers...
 
I like growth in characters... and believe no one is litterally a dead end. Just VERY unimaginative writers. While i've not been reading the comics, i've loved the fact that MJ is on of the NYC-ers who has spider-man's abilities... so for once she can actually truly experience what it's like to be peter... I think that's absolutely brilliant and great for her. Now.. if she kept them, that'd possibly be even better. MJ i've always felt is one of the strongest women, role models, and icons of the marvel universe. She's a hero in her own right, and i was actually a big supporter of her becoming Jackpot when it was first teased. It at least puts her in a new direction, and grow as a character. Killing her however... is just reallllly desperate and bad writing.

It also would be a good way of showing the lasting effects of Spider-Island in that rather than having it so that everyone who had spider-powers in the story has them removed, you have at least one person who, somehow, still retains them. And putting Mary Jane in that position, particularly because having seen one side of what being a superhero is like by being with Peter and now is suddenly on the other side, would also give her a new perspective into her past relationship with him. Especially considering how, traditionally, she's a character who has tried to avoid responsibility only to now have it thrust upon her.

What do you expect? MJ is a very long term and beloved character in ASM, and everyone knows most events have corpses. Marvel has been seeking to ensure that the Parker marriage won't revive and everyone knows that most senior editors would do almost anything for sales. Tom Brevoort would pretend to eat a comic on camera to try to sell something (and he did).

There also is that sense that Marvel has sought to "oversell" Carlie Cooper to fans and one way of continuing that would be to eliminate MJ. This would be bad; after all, when Joe Q took over in 2000, Mackie was doing this whole labored storyline where he seemingly killed MJ off in an explosion so Pete could be a swingin' single again. It was a disaster, and one he helped end. Funny how a big movie in 2002 pretty much was why JMS was likely encouraged to patch up the couple, when Joe would later claim he'd always hated the marriage.

The issue with MJ is similar to what happens when DC reboots things. To a great deal of readers who are under 30, MJ was a critical part of their Spidey experience and a key component to their enjoyment of the franchise. Getting used to her not being Peter's wife is difficult enough, but killing her off would be even worse. I don't feel now is the time to divide fans further.

Exactly!

I agree with everything you said... however, until we get a Marvel press conference discussion MJ's upcoming demise, and/or we see it happen in print (to which, she could still come back... they all do... :o), then why get excited about something that hasn't happened, nor has it been annouced that it'll happen?

It's just "guess work" based on a twisted way to look at letter column answers...

Well admittedly, the one hope I do have that Mary Jane will not be killed off during Spider-Island is because it's mentioned in a letter's column. After all, why in the world would Steve Wacker even suggest such an explosive spoiler within the letters pages? Either he's simply pulling the letter writer's leg (since the original letter WAS tongue-in-cheek) or, if he actually IS revealing something, there's a lot more to it. At least I like to think so. After all, remember how in the promotion for "Regenesis" for the X-Men that Marvel teased the possibility that Cyclops would not only not lead the Uncanny X-Men but may not survive Schism? And yet we see Cyclops still very much alive and apparently still the leader on the cover for the relaunched number 1?
 
If anyone were to keep their Spider-Powers, I would hope it was Spider-Girl... in my opinion...

:yay:
 
If anyone were to keep their Spider-Powers, I would hope it was Spider-Girl... in my opinion...

:yay:

Oh, I think Anya going to keep her powers as well, which I'm thinking may not be connected to how everyone else got spider-powers during Spider-Island, though. Of course, it was never revealed how she lost them in the first place. :o
 
if the rumour about MJ being killed off is true, then it marvel just flipping off the fans.

the new issue was good, it moved the plot along well and gave us some answers about the powers and why certain people have them and other not. plus even though i'm no gwen fan i loved the pot shots at carlie by the jackel and as for the cliffhanger

the queen comes back, called it back in part one, though her black dress look was better:oldrazz:
 
Can everyone who is pre-hating the book based on stillanerd's "predictions" just take a moment-- take a deep breath-- go back and look at stillanerd's lonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnng history of practically NEVER getting a prediction right when he goes out on a limb for a biggie-- and chill. :woot:

Seriously, if Mike "stillanerd" McNulty were a weatherman, he'd've predicted end-of-the-world summertime BLIZZARDS for the past 4 years running. :oldrazz:
 
Ha! :woot:

:yay:

What does TMoB and Dan Slott have in common?

They're both banned from Crawlspace (for no good reason) & they both like Spider-Man & fluffnutter sandwiches... :up:
 
if the rumour about MJ being killed off is true, then it marvel just flipping off the fans.

the new issue was good, it moved the plot along well and gave us some answers about the powers and why certain people have them and other not. plus even though i'm no gwen fan i loved the pot shots at carlie by the jackel and as for the cliffhanger

the queen comes back, called it back in part one, though her black dress look was better:oldrazz:

Well, considering that
Slott made particular emphasis on how Mary Jane appears to be the only normal person who does NOT have spider-powers both last issue and this one (not to mention making particular note of it in the recap page), coupled with Reed Richards' statement about how only mutants and superheroes were immune, really suggests that MJ may not only have spider-powers but may have gotten them BEFORE Spider-Island happened. Perhaps this is in line with another theory I had about how MJ acquired them from Peter during One Moment in Time (and hopefully also means she'll not only still have them after Spider-Island but that she won't be killed off after all).

How, you might ask? Well, remember the mindwipe Strange used was partly delivered by Tony Stark's Extremis nanovirus. And for a brief moment, Peter was outside of the protective bubble when he went to get Mary Jane, thus they were both exposed to Extremis. What if the nanovirus copied and transferred Peter's powers into Mary Jane? The only reason why she hasn't manifested them until now is because, like Peter during the Other, it requires physical trauma to activate them. This would also explain how Peter lost his organic webbing and the additional powers he got from The Other, as well.

Also, while the Queen being the mastermind makes sense (especially since there were quite a few clues pointing to her) the problem is that because she's an obscure character from a mediocre Paul Jenkis' story that most Spider-Man fans probably didn't read, keeping her identity as the mastermind a secret kind of loses it's impact when she is revealed because of her obscurity. Granted, she's a character readers believed to be dead, but her identity being hidden until the "big reveal" also helps if she was someone the readers wouldn't have a problem recognizing.

And yeah, the Jackal's saying Carlie was "no Gwen Stacy" and that she wasn't even worth cloning was great. :woot:
 
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Can everyone who is pre-hating the book based on stillanerd's "predictions" just take a moment-- take a deep breath-- go back and look at stillanerd's lonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnng history of practically NEVER getting a prediction right when he goes out on a limb for a biggie-- and chill. :woot:

Seriously, if Mike "stillanerd" McNulty were a weatherman, he'd've predicted end-of-the-world summertime BLIZZARDS for the past 4 years running. :oldrazz:

Ah, I knew I could count on you, Dan, for setting my fears at ease. I feel a lot better and less paranoid now. :cwink:

Of course, you do realize that this means my OTHER theory about Mary Jane in the grand scheme of Spider-Island is back on the table and I'm now sticking with it. :woot:
 
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Can everyone who is pre-hating the book based on stillanerd's "predictions" just take a moment-- take a deep breath-- go back and look at stillanerd's lonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnng history of practically NEVER getting a prediction right when he goes out on a limb for a biggie-- and chill. :woot:

Seriously, if Mike "stillanerd" McNulty were a weatherman, he'd've predicted end-of-the-world summertime BLIZZARDS for the past 4 years running. :oldrazz:

i dont think anyone is actually pre-hating the book, 99% on people on here are enjoying the story and interested in where it goes, they may not like the idea his "predictions"if he may or may not be right

personally i just dont like the idea, its nothing to do with the whole BND/OMIT I just would rather one of my favourite spider-man characters not be killed off. it would be the same black cat, green goblin or a few others.
 
Dan, thanks for throwing some cold water on it.

Stillanerd you little pyromanic.....:oldrazz:
 
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