Age of Ultron The Avengers 2! The Official News and Speculation Thread - - - - - - - - - - Part 45

[MahvelBaby!]

It's not the screen time of the characters, it's how much that happens in the film, I'm no longer expecting to see many scenes which we haven't seen in the trailers or spots. The list of scenes we know about I mentioned a page or two ago, add in ones I forgot like Ultron talking to the Twins in the castle, Ultron and the Twins in the basement, the probably recap scene or two at the end. If you added them all together and say each scene was 7 minutes or so (some could be a minute others 15) you get a 2 hour movie.

I do like to think Whedon has full control of the run time, but his mention of him saying 'when the movie was longer it was explained a lot' just made me think perhaps he wanted it longer and wanted those scenes in there.

Personally I'd prefer an extra 10-20 minutes and have more character interaction and development, than just a streamlined fast paced action film. I'm looking forward to the party scene more than any of the action scenes.

Good points on the other side as well, My only fear is having Vision and the twins kind of short changed.

 

[Loden Greatstorm]

Can't believe we're finally gonna see the web crawler alongside the Avengers. It makes me emotional.

I shed a tear...

 

[Iceman]

Thing is the twins are going to be developed together. It's not like introducing Cap Marvel & Black Panther with massively varying backgrounds in the same film for eg. Also Vision will play a part in Ultron's development (and vice versa) and the twin's stories will be tied into Ultron's too. I don't think we're going to be seeing as many solo scenes as you do in other films so runtime is an inefficient/blunt estimator of overall exposure of the characters.

 

[TheVision]

Me after Avengers 2 is over

 

[Illegal Seafood]

Sorry for me based on what, your advanced knowledge of the film? Either there won't be many scenes not known about or a lot of the scenes will be very short, shorter than I personally would hope for.

In fact the more I think about the more I believe he must mean 142 without credits, it just seems very short (for how much is seemingly going on) otherwise

No, sorry, because you're making a big deal out of nothing.

-142 mins is NOT short. I don't care how you spin it. In terms of film-making, it's a long movie.

-You're jumping to conclusions and now claiming that people are going to get shortened time/character development, when it was never confirmed before how much they were getting in the first place.

-You're now claiming that there aren't many new scenes. Well, do you have advanced knowledge of the film? If you take approx 7 mins (all the trailers combined) off of the runtime, you get 135 mins of unseen footage. Wow.

 

[TheVision]

Yeah 142 minutes isnt a short film no matter how you slice it. So what if its not 3 hours? Its gonna be great. People need to relax. Just enjoy this awesome film we're geting, dont pick every little thing apart. Its not worth it.

 

[T"Challa]

Yeah its not so much about the run time as it is how that time is allotted. Days of Future Past had a lot going on and a significant number of characters but juggled things pretty well and ended up being being one of the most acclaimed CBM's ever.

It was 132 mins long.

 

[Broseph44]

Yeah 142 minutes isnt a short film no matter how you slice it. So what if its not 3 hours? Its gonna be great. People need to relax. Just enjoy this awesome film we're geting, dont pick every little thing apart. Its not worth it.

This 100%. But alas people always seem to want to have things to worry or complain and nitpick about. Oh well it sucks for them I guess haha

 

[Son of Coul]

Whenever runtime is brought up as an issue I remember he who shall not be named going on for months and months about how A1 would never be a good movie if it was any shorter than three hours. And that guy taught a high school film class, lordy...

 

[Ghostcrow13]

No, sorry, because you're making a big deal out of nothing.

-142 mins is NOT short. I don't care how you spin it. In terms of film-making, it's a long movie.

-You're jumping to conclusions and now claiming that people are going to get shortened time/character development, when it was never confirmed before how much they were getting in the first place.

-You're now claiming that there aren't many new scenes. Well, do you have advanced knowledge of the film? If you take approx 7 mins (all the trailers combined) off of the runtime, you get 135 mins of unseen footage. Wow.

I;m not making a big deal, all I said was I expected it to be longer than the first one. Someone then said a shorter movie didn't mean it wouldn't be as good I gave reasons for why maybe it might mean that, then it snowballed into a debate. Never once have I said the movie might be bad because of it.

So I don't think I making any kind of deal, I'm just giving reasons as to why I expected it to be longer and why perhaps it might be too short for how much goes on.

You're jumping to conclusions and now claiming that people are going to get shortened time/character development, when it was never confirmed before how much they were getting in the first place.

Whedon literally said they've cut a lot out from the Twins which explains a lot, if that isn't shortening time or development I don't know what is.

 

[MahvelBaby!]

Thing is the twins are going to be developed together. It's not like introducing Cap Marvel & Black Panther with massively varying backgrounds in the same film for eg. Also Vision will play a part in Ultron's development (and vice versa) and the twin's stories will be tied into Ultron's too. I don't think we're going to be seeing as many solo scenes as you do in other films so runtime is an inefficient/blunt estimator of overall exposure of the characters.

Yeah also very good points, an Ensemble all the way through.

 

[BoredGuy]

At this point, you'd think Marvel and Whedon would know to just throw like 5 extra minutes onto the credits, just so they could say it's longer than the first; they'd ease a lot of the hand-wringing

 

[Son of Coul]

Whedon literally said they've cut a lot out from the Twins which explains a lot, if that isn't shortening time or development I don't know what is.

This is often a good thing; he did the same with Cap in A1. Whedon's said himself he has a problem with explaining the same things over and over in his writing, as many writers do. In editing you're rewriting the film and can often find that less is more. Simon Pegg was just talking about this in an interview - sometimes lines or even big speeches can be axed because you realize a look the actor gave conveys the same meaning and that less is more.

 

[TheVision]

Ive heard that you should always Slash n burn if youre a writer. if you get too precious about the dialogue/characters/story it'll just drag everything down. Gotta trim the fat. Make everything run like a well oiled machine for 2 hrs 22 min or whatever the run time is.

 

[Son of Coul]

At this point, you'd think Marvel and Whedon would know to just throw like 5 extra minutes onto the credits, just so they could say it's longer than the first; they'd ease a lot of the hand-wringing

That's what's cool about them, they know it's about what's best for the movie and not appeasing the fans who'll get over their hand-wringing about a lack of "epicness" or some such nonsense once the movie drops.

 

[Illegal Seafood]

Whedon literally said they've cut a lot out from the Twins which explains a lot, if that isn't shortening time or development I don't know what is.

He was referring to the reasons why they don't like America and the Avengers. I'm sure there was long exposition that basically restated the plot of IM1 - with Stark tech, etc - explaining their hatred for Tony and America. They didn't cut an hour out of the Twins alone. I would guess some background info that they could instead touch briefly on and continue the main plot.

He never said that they will have reduced roles. In fact the article and footage seems to claim the opposite.

 

[Iceman]

At this point, you'd think Marvel and Whedon would know to just throw like 5 extra minutes onto the credits, just so they could say it's longer than the first; they'd ease a lot of the hand-wringing

Haha. Or just include a 14 minute blank screen in the middle fo the film. t:

 

[terry78]

The only movie your ass needs to worry about being long enough is Infinity War. The ONLY one.

 

[Farren]

This is often a good thing; he did the same with Cap in A1. Whedon's said himself he has a problem with explaining the same things over and over in his writing, as many writers do. In editing you're rewriting the film and can often find that less is more. Simon Pegg was just talking about this in an interview - sometimes lines or even big speeches can be axed because you realize a look the actor gave conveys the same meaning and that less is more.

Yeah I think Whedon's comment is somewhat ambiguous. At first glance it comes off as a "we had to cut a lot of stuff that helped you understand the characters and explain their actions" but he could also be referring to the fact that he trimmed off a lot of a lot of redundant exposition too. I tried to track back that comment to get more context but couldn't find a source interview, so yeah, not sure how to read it.

 

[AgentGojiraRgr]

Spoiler

and also, shouldn't they get that virus from last season of SHIELD if they're wearing Chitauri armor, or did Hydra scientists figured out how to prevent it?

If they aren't getting the virus then I would just assume they found a way to prevent it yeah.

BoredGuy: Im bet HYDRA

Spoiler

got the serum and injected all their soldiers with it before putting on Chitauri armor.

Only the one of them had the virus.
The firefighters were just unlucky enough to take it's helmet.

 

[Ghostcrow13]

Yeah I think Whedon's comment is somewhat ambiguous. At first glance it comes off as a "we had to cut a lot of stuff that helped you understand the characters and explain their actions" but he could also be referring to the fact that he trimmed off a lot of a lot of redundant exposition too. I tried to track back that comment to get more context but couldn't find a source interview, so yeah, not sure how to read it.

The comment about cutting the Twins stuff? Cos that's here, I'll post it anyway, cos I don't think it has been posted yet.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/adambvary/quicksilver-scarlet-witch-avengers-age-of-ultron-set-visit#.inVY1wpM6

Moving on anyway, anyone know how this shot is done, the article says Olsen is shot with an ultra-high speed camera, and ATJ is shot with a normal camera then it's spliced together. Not sure how that entirely works though

 

[Iceman]

The only movie your ass needs to worry about being long enough is Infinity War. The ONLY one.

The only 2?

 

[Loden Greatstorm]

The only movie your ass needs to worry about being long enough is Infinity War. The ONLY one.

My body isn't ready yet...

 

[Iceman]

IW1 needs to be 15 hours long and IW2 66 days. [BLACKOUT]Without credits! [/BLACKOUT]

 

[connor_in]

At this point, you'd think Marvel and Whedon would know to just throw like 5 extra minutes onto the credits, just so they could say it's longer than the first; they'd ease a lot of the hand-wringing

Heck, it's about superheroes doing superhero things...20 min+ will be credits