Infinity War The Avengers: Infinity War The Official News and Speculation - - - - - - - - - Part 24

[AndrewGilkison]

I love the idea of the X-Men and Fantastic Four in the MCU. More characters to play with. More stories you can tell.

I want the X-Men to be hated and feared in the MCU like they've been in the comics. There would be no point of having them in the MCU if they were as revered with the public as the Avengers or the Fantastic Four. I also feel in the world of the current MCU there is no way mutants wouldn't be hated or feared (look at how the governments finally cracked down on the Avengers in Civil War due to all the collateral damage in the 3rd acts of all the movies... mutants would be walking weapons of mass destruction among the general population... far more scarier).

 

[Marvel united]

I love the idea of the X-Men and Fantastic Four in the MCU. More characters to play with. More stories you can tell.

I want the X-Men to be hated and feared in the MCU like they've been in the comics. There would be no point of having them in the MCU if they were as revered with the public as the Avengers or the Fantastic Four. I also feel in the world of the current MCU there is no way mutants wouldn't be hated or feared (look at how the governments finally cracked down on the Avengers in Civil War due to all the collateral damage in the 3rd acts of all the movies... mutants would be walking weapons of mass destruction among the general population... far more scarier).

 

[Jake_Snake]

When you guys first saw it, what were your impressions? were you just thrilled a B-list superhero got his due and it was a good film? Were you aware that they were actually going to build a superhero universe around Iron Man?

I was happy to see RDJ get another shot. I was a big fan of him since Chaplin.

 

[flickchick85]

When you guys first saw it, what were your impressions? were you just thrilled a B-list superhero got his due and it was a good film? Were you aware that they were actually going to build a superhero universe around Iron Man?

I didn't care about Iron Man. I've always preferred DC and the only Marvel characters I cared about at that time were Spidey, Cap and the X-Men (which is funny considering how indifferent to them I am now), so the Iron Man movie wasn't anything I was paying attention to until that leaked SDCC trailer. I liked RDJ well enough and was kinda rooting for him, but that trailer put it on my radar in a big way. The marketing campaign for that movie was really great, and honestly, the movie itself was one big Marvel hype machine for me, as I came out of it more pumped up than any CBM I'd ever seen up to that point (until TDK topped it 2 months later, lol). Never read Avengers comics, but I was hyped for the possibilities presented in that post-credits scene anyway. Wasn't sure they'd actually do it though, lol.

 

[Jake_Snake]

I feel like the fatigue people have of the X-Men comes from how the Singer films misrepresents the source material and the dozens of mutants (Hence the "using iconic mutants as SFX pieces" trope in Singer films JDreamer was talking about) All Marvel has to do is stick more closely to the colorful, fantastical source material and the franchise will be rejuvenated with new life.

Absolutely this. I mean, DOFP and Xmen 2 were magnificent but Singers rendition peaked and got really old.

 

[Marvel united]

Absolutely this. I mean, DOFP and Xmen 2 were magnificent but Singers rendition peaked and got really old.

Exactly. Even when the franchise tried to go more "comic booky" in Apocaplyse, it was still constrained by the grounded, melodramatic parameter that the Singerverse set. It's time for a complete cleaning of house, a completely new direction and new set of rules.

 

[Saturius]

Thematically, it'd be a big pill to swallow that through all of this, there has been not one or two... but dozens, hundreds of mutants completely undetected. I think it's hard not to admit that mutants should have been the opening act of this Marvel universe... if it had been possible.

So, what do they do? Well, they can change the MCU canon in such a way that something mutates humanity not from birth, but from the time they are existing. Maybe an alien mineral is introduced into the environment that causes a reaction or something. I dunno. But that'd be cool... I can certainly live with that... unfortunately though, it also drastically changes the dynamics of the mutant vs human theme that is central to the X-Men.

So when it comes to incorporating mutants, it's not that it can't be done. It's that there is no way to do it cleanly. They can either decide to introduce the mutants as they are in the comics, and degrade the MCU to a certain degree; or, they introduce the mutants in a new way and degrade the X-Men to a certain degree. Pick your poison.

I'd rather they go the hidden route. All these other suggestions are just way too convulted amd quite frankly, irobically enough, too comic booky. I think its simplest to just say they were hiding. And I don't know why that's a hard pill to swallow. Like i said before, SHIELD doesnt even know that there are potentially hundreds of sorcerers out there protecting the earth as far as we know. Them not knowing about mutants isn't that big a deal. Plus, again, for all we know, they could know about them. I dont see how any of this stuff devalues the MCU.

 

[MaceB]

I'd rather they go the hidden route. All these other suggestions are just way too convulted amd quite frankly, irobically enough, too comic booky. I think its simplest to just say they were hiding. And I don't know why that's a hard pill to swallow. Like i said before, SHIELD doesnt even know that there are potentially hundreds of sorcerers out there protecting the earth as far as we know. Them not knowing about mutants isn't that big a deal. Plus, again, for all we know, they could know about them. I dont see how any of this stuff devalues the MCU.

Because if they did know about them, then that inevitably leads to the question... why didn't you contact any of them in Avengers 1? I thought we were in a dire situation where we needed all the help we could get?

If, on the other hand, they don't know about mutants, and mutants just existed in secret... then take a moment to imagine that. Children as young as 10 developing laser beam sight and beast-like manifestations.... and somehow they were all able to keep it under wraps? It becomes hard to suspend that much disbelief and stay invested... because who cares? The next movie could change the storyline entirely.... so what's the point in trying to follow any of it?

 

[Marvel united]

I agree with Mace. Mutants are wayyy too big of a widespread issue to just have Shield cover every single one. What about mutants who appear in other Countries? What about kids who randomly start inhibiting strange abilities in Malls, Classrooms etc and are taken to the Hospital or even Police? It's too big of a phenomenon to be kept a secret. It's like trying to hide from the public that animals like Dogs or Cats exist. Sorcerers don't even exist in the same plane of Existence as the rest of the MCU. They can't just pull the curtain back and say "Taa-Daa" all your favorite mutant heroes & villains have existed all this time in the MCU.

Now they can say that they've kept hidden a small number of mutants that have popped up throughout history (and later Thanos makes mutants a widespread event), only about 100 mutants in the world. I could buy that but to say thousands of mutants have been hiding all this time? Too ridiculous.

 

[Saturius]

I agree with Mace. Mutants are wayyy too big of a widespread issue to just have Shield cover every single one. What about mutants who appear in other Countries? What about kids who randomly start inhibiting strange abilities in Malls, Classrooms etc and are taken to the Hospital or even Police? It's too big of a phenomenon to be kept a secret. It's like trying to hide from the public that animals like Dogs or Cats exist. Sorcerers don't even exist in the same plane of Existence as the rest of the MCU. They can't just pull the curtain back and say "Taa-Daa" all your favorite mutant heroes & villains have existed all this time in the MCU.

Now they can say that they've kept hidden a small number of mutants that have popped up throughout history (and later Thanos makes mutants a widespread event), only about 100 mutants in the world. I could buy that but to say thousands of mutants have been hiding all this time? Too ridiculous.

Then your issue is with the source material cause that's exatly how it was in the comics. The public at large only became aware of mutants after Cape Citadel even though mutants were present with other smaller incidents since forever. But Cape Citadel was a large scale event. It's similar to how Thor was. Everyone in that small Mexico town learned of Thor and powered beings because they witnessed it, but it probably took the attack on NY for the world at large to see that there are super heros in the world. Same with the mutant thing. I can see why peiple have problems with that. But if it came down to that or having Thanos doing something silly like re write reality and that creates mutants, I'll take the more realistic one any day. These are comic book films, but some quirks of the comics are not things I want to see the films emulate.

 

[RoastBeast]

This thread has certainly mutated...

 

[AndrewGilkison]

I think its possible to say that mutants currently exist in the MCU. Just say that it isn't wide spread enough and a big enough problem to become a world wide phenomenon. Maybe scientists haven't discovered the X-gene yet. Maybe Magneto isn't Magneto yet. Maybe the X-Men are a secret team that has worked to keep mutants under the radar, and the first MCU X-Men movies are about mutants coming out into the world in a big way and it can no longer be kept under wraps. Just keep it simple. Don't have some crap thing like Thanos creating mutants just to explain where they've been all this time.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

I'd rather they say Xavier and shield or the government covered up mutants and mutant activity. Also with reluctant help from magneto and genosha.

 

[Saturius]

This thread has certainly mutated...

Lol. We neeed another tv spot to get us back on track!

 

[Marvel united]

Then your issue is with the source material cause that's exatly how it was in the comics. The public at large only became aware of mutants after Cape Citadel even though mutants were present with other smaller incidents since forever. But Cape Citadel was a large scale event. It's similar to how Thor was. Everyone in that small Mexico town learned of Thor and powered beings because they witnessed it, but it probably took the attack on NY for the world at large to see that there are super heros in the world. Same with the mutant thing. I can see why peiple have problems with that. But if it came down to that or having Thanos doing something silly like re write reality and that creates mutants, I'll take the more realistic one any day. These are comic book films, but some quirks of the comics are not things I want to see the films emulate.

But this isn't like the comics in that way. Superhuman activity has been a constant since 2011 in the MCU. In the comics, the X-Men and most of the important mutants emerged around the same time every other hero was appearing in the 616 universe. A mutant terrorist attack happening out of the blue causing everybody to discover mutants exist doesn't work because there are still a myriad of ways that they would have been discovered decades ago. And again, mutants only really started appearing at a much more frequent rate because of the Atomic age in the comics. It's not that any huge organisation was hiding them, it's that so few existed, they flew under the Public's Radar. Even without Magneto's rocket attack on Cape Citadel, the truth about mutants would have came out either way because so many were popping up everywhere.

And that's not the only way to approach mutants in the MCU. Thanos having something to do with it makes sense because there has to be a reason for mutants suddenly spawning in mass and becoming public. Like my theory about Infinity Stone radiation. Either way, there are much better ways that don't leave a plethora of plot holes like "Unveiling of the curtain covering the mutant phenomenon or Xavier mind wiping everyone" .

 

[Saturius]

But this isn't like the comics in that way. Superhuman activity has been a constant since 2011 in the MCU. In the comics, the X-Men and most of the important mutants emerged around the same time every other hero was appearing in the 616 universe. A mutant terrorist attack happening out of the blue causing everybody to discover mutants exist doesn't work because there are still a myriad of ways that they would have been discovered decades ago. And again, mutants only really started appearing at a much more frequent rate because of the Atomic age in the comics. It's not that any huge organisation was hiding them, it's that so few existed, they flew under the Public's Radar. Even without Magneto's rocket attack on Cape Citadel, the truth about mutants would have came out either way because so many were popping up everywhere.

And that's not the only way to approach mutants in the MCU. Thanos having something to do with it makes sense if they execute it right. Like my theory about Infinity Stone radiation. Either way, there are much better ways that don't leave a plethora of plot holes like "Unveiling of the curtain covering the mutant phenomenon or Xavier mind wiping everyone" .

As others have mentioned, there is no perfect solution. I don't know what Marvel is gonna go with. But I'd rather they somehow find some way to work mutants into the universe by them having been there all along than some of the ideas laid out in this thread. So far, for me, the curtain unveiling as you call it works the best. I just want mutants to have been around. Thanos, reality warping, mind gem giving rise to the x gene, time travel shenanigans etc etc is just not something that will work for me.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

It's too much work and feels forced. Whereas the mind wipe is simple and doesn't rely on any previous story telling to work.

 

[Marvel united]

It's too much work and feels forced. Whereas the mind wipe is simple and doesn't rely on any previous story telling to work.

Xavier mind wiping everyone sounds like something from a bad X-Men fan fiction story. It opens up a huge can of worms about Charles being OP. If he's that powerful then he could easily mind wipe any threat the X-Men faces. And the question of why he didn't intervene during the countlesstimes the Earth was attacked will come up, he could have easily sent the X-Men to help then later mind wiped all of the Avengers. Hell, he could have gotten inside Loki's mind and stopped the Invasion of New York himself. Charles would basically be an omega level mutant with unlimited potentialand the ability to solve most problems every hero in the MCU faces. We're talking about this man mind wiping MILLIONS of people and keeping them that way for decades.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

The thanos infinity stone time travel bit is every bit a convoluted mess as the mind wipe. I personally would rather Xavier worked with magneto to help shelter mutants around the world. Small incidents and sightings don't go world wide but date back decades even centuries. People think there are monsters in the sewers and weird people in their neighborhoods. There's no easy way to do it. But the less you complicate it, the easier it is to swallow and not dwell on for too long. No need to overthink it. The mutants need a shot heard round the world incident.

 

[Saturius]

This topic is fun cause you know Marvel execs are having these SAME fanboy conversations about how they are going to do this. It'll be interesting to see what wins out in 5 to 10 years or so.

 

[Saturius]

The thanos infinity stone time travel but every bit a convoluted mess as the mind wipe. I personally would rather Xavier worked with magneto to help shelter mutants around the world. Small incidents and sightings don't go world wide. People think there are monsters in the sewers and weird people in their neighborhoods. There's no easy way to do it. But the less you complicate it, the easier it is to swallow and not dwell on for too long. No need to overthink it.

That's what I keep saying too. Small incidents work. People can know about mutants but have no larger frame of reference to connect it to the bigger truth/picture. Thats where a Battle Of NY like incident can really shed some light and be an introduction somehow if they so choose.

 

[Marvel united]

The thanos infinity stone time travel bit is every bit a convoluted mess as the mind wipe. I personally would rather Xavier worked with magneto to help shelter mutants around the world. Small incidents and sightings don't go world wide but date back decades even centuries. People think there are monsters in the sewers and weird people in their neighborhoods. There's no easy way to do it. But the less you complicate it, the easier it is to swallow and not dwell on for too long. No need to overthink it. The mutants need a shot heard round the world incident.

Treating mutants like Urban legends like Bigfoot doesn't work for several reasons already stated in my previous points. Mutants can happen anywhere and everywhere, they can't be urban legends or have "small sightings" there are too MANY.

 

[markjoedelonge]

Lol. We neeed another tv spot to get us back on track!

Did you guys not see that awesome spot posted a few pages back with Spidey swinging and Iron Man using his missile??

 

[Darkraid]

Thanos is doing a finger heart.

Finger heart means love in Korea

 

[Marvolo]

The thanos infinity stone time travel bit is every bit a convoluted mess as the mind wipe. I personally would rather Xavier worked with magneto to help shelter mutants around the world. Small incidents and sightings don't go world wide but date back decades even centuries. People think there are monsters in the sewers and weird people in their neighborhoods. There's no easy way to do it. But the less you complicate it, the easier it is to swallow and not dwell on for too long. No need to overthink it. The mutants need a shot heard round the world incident.

This is the MCU we are talking about. Some of the events we've seen involving the Infinity Stones.

*Loki uses the Mind Stone repeatedly in Avengers to enslave people including Hawkeye. He also uses the Mind Stone to somehow manipulate Selvig into experimenting with the Space Stone so that Loki can come to Earth through a doorway created by the Space Stone.
*Mel tries to uses the Reality Stone to turn the "lights" off in the universe.
*The Guardians use the Power Stone to explode Ronan.
*Hydra uses the Mind Stone to somehow experiment on Wanda and her brother resulting in them having powers that for the most part have nothing in common with the powers of the Mind Stone.
*Some of the Avengers use the Soul Stone to bring a synthetic super being to life. The Soul Stone somehow gives Vision powers that for the most part seem random as hell: becoming incorporeal, shooting a laser beam from his forhead, and flight.
*Dr. Strange uses the Time Stone to repair Hong Kong and to trap a giant headed timeless god from another dimension in a time loop.
*And now a purple giant wants to use a golden glove and those colorful stones that hold the power of creation to destroy half the universe with a snap of his fingers.

But Thanos or someone using the Time Stone to mess with the past and Mutants being inadvertantly created due to that tampering with the past is just too convoluted?