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[WildcatNC]

That's in the comics.

This is the movie-verse.

The only part of what he said that didn't happen in the movie verse is the Jack Fury part (as far as we know).

Going by the movie-verse and the amount of media exposure shown in CA:TFA its reasonable to assume he is a well known Iconic Hero in America. It may have waned a bit, but I suspect most have heard of him.

 

[Smashlilman]

That's in the comics.

This is the movie-verse.

It can be assumed that similar events happened during that 3 year span in the movie-verse. They only show a hand full of events through montages in The First Avenger. They left the door open for anything. If they wanted to they could place any type of story into that void.

 

[iGiFF]

This really got me excited, what do you think of this? Is this a possible loophole to get all the Marvel film characters owned by different studios into the MCU?

(Andrew) Wow, I can't believe this has never been mentioned as a possible loophole... we all know X-Men, Spider-Man, Daredevil, Fantastic Four and Ghost Rider can not be in the Marvel Cinematic Universe because there film rights are owned by different studios. But with some thinking, the television rights for these characters are still owned by Marvel Studios, right? So unless there is something I am missing, shouldn't Marvel Studios at least be able to do live action shows with these characters?

Per http://www.facebook.com/MarvelCinematicUniverse

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Interesting...

I always thought Marvel could do live action series tied into the MCU....

 

[captainrogers]

Whoever postulated that literally makes no sense.

It was a plot point from the Ultimate Avengers cartoon.
Interesting, but that movie was COMPLETELY derailed for me when Hulk lifted 'Ultimate' Mjolnir.
And as for the whole Jack Fury thing, as far as I know, he only ever worked with Steve in the EMH cartoon ( I guess in the absence of an Infinity Formula, Nick couldn't have been around in the war) I've onl ever seen a 'Jack' Fury mentioned in the comics as part of Nick's parentage.

 

[Rock Sexton]

It can be assumed that similar events happened during that 3 year span in the movie-verse. They only show a hand full of events through montages in The First Avenger. They left the door open for anything. If they wanted to they could place any type of story into that void.

It can? Perhaps for the purposes of relentless fanboyism-style dissection a movie that hasn't even been seen yet maybe. LOL. We've witnessed plenty of liberties taken to adjust known characters and plot points to fit the movieverse. Nothing is a given to remain exactly the same that is why you cannot assume it.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Don't we already know that Rogers is a big iconic figure? He was documented in movies, doing stages shows, in newspapers.... You see kids playing Captain America in the street....


Clearly, he made some kind of impression on the American Public, to the point where someone would appreciate the significance of being able to meet him, 70 years after his disappearance.

 

[Rock Sexton]

Don't we already know that Rogers is a big iconic figure? He was documented in movies, doing stages shows, in newspapers.... You see kids playing Captain America in the street....


Clearly, he made some kind of impression on the American Public, to the point where someone would appreciate the significance of being able to meet him, 70 years after his disappearance.

The key is to those old enough to remember him.

 

[captainrogers]

Where would he go to "research"? You really think the fact that a soldier by the name of Steve Rogers was injected with a top secret serum would be declassified? Again logic please.

I agree with you on this one.
I don't think it would have been Declassified. I'll say 'Captain America' is known. Steve Rogers...not so much perhaps.
Of course there is that line of Stark's "A living legend who ACTUALLY lives up to that legend" (paraphrasing)

 

[WildcatNC]

The key is to those old enough to remember him.

I'm not old enough to remember Elvis or James Dean either but I know who they are and so do most of us.

I don't even understand your point. Makes no sense.

I agree with you about anyone knowing the specifics of his abilities and their source though. It would be classified.

 

[Smashlilman]

It can? Perhaps for the purposes of relentless fanboyism-style dissection a movie that hasn't even been seen yet maybe. LOL. We've witnessed plenty of liberties taken to adjust known characters and plot points to fit the movieverse. Nothing is a given to remain exactly the same that is why you cannot assume it.

I'm just saying that the director purposely left hat spot vague so that anything could have happened from that period. They wouldn't have to worry about future plot that involve Cap that reference events from WW2 contradicting the continuity of the first movie.

That has nothing to do with fanboyism. It more like they left the spot vague as to not step on there own toes.

 

[Dr. Sid Jawtug]

In iron man 2, tony doesn't really bat an eye when it comes to seeing the a prototype shield. However Colson is in awe. Maybe Cap has already been unfrozen at this point yet he is being kept under wraps by SHIELD. You figured Howard would have told stories to Tony as a kid. I have a feeling Tony will find out a lot about why he's father was always busy. I'd bet Howard probably helped design the helicarrier.

 

[Rock Sexton]

I'm not old enough to remember Elvis or James Dean either but I know who they are and so do most of us.

I don't even understand your point. Makes no sense.

I agree with you about anyone knowing the specifics of his abilities and their source though. It would be classified.

I'm just drawing from personal experience. I'm a 33 year old male. My grandfather was a WWII vet who used to tell stories all the time. For the life of me I couldn't give you a great example of a soldier/general who might've been known from that time.

Alas that second part is what I'm talking about ..... I don't think we assume (if he's remembered) that people are aware of that fact that he was experimented on.

 

[Rock Sexton]

In iron man 2, tony doesn't really bat an eye when it comes to seeing the a prototype shield. However Colson is in awe. Maybe Cap has already been unfrozen at this point yet he is being kept under wraps by SHIELD. You figured Howard would have told stories to Tony as a kid. I have a feeling Tony will find out a lot about why he's father was always busy. I'd bet Howard probably helped design the helicarrier.

This. Especially after Coulson asked him how he got it, literally zero reaction from Stark. From what I gathered from the IM2 plot points, Howard didn't interact with his son a whole lot ..... he kept busy with his work and sent his son away to school.

You second point is what I too feel will happen in the movie. Fury will bridge the gap for Tony and it will also spark the initial animosity/tension ..... naturally I would think there would be some kind of jealousy there.

 

[WildcatNC]

I'm just drawing from personal experience. I'm a 33 year old male. My grandfather was a WWII vet who used to tell stories all the time. For the life of me I couldn't give you a great example of a soldier/general who might've been known from that time.

Alas that second part is what I'm talking about ..... I don't think we assume (if he's remembered) that people are aware of that fact that he was experimented on.

I'm 33 also.

You don't know who Patton, Rommel, and Hitler are?? In the comic and movie verse Cap is as well known as those guys.

I agree that most people probably wouldn't know he was experimented on. They would most surely know who he is though, even if they didn't know much detail.

 

[Rock Sexton]

You don't know who Patton, Rommel, and Hitler are?? In the comic and movie verse Cap is as well known as those guys.

I agree that most people probably wouldn't know he was experimented on. They would most surely know who he is though, even if they didn't know much detail.

Famous Nazi like Hitler is common sense yes .... obviously I would remember him. In reference to that question though, are you a history buff?

I see your point. I think the separation that needs to be made is that Cap perhaps might be remembered, but I'm not buying people know he was experimented on.

 

[captainrogers]

maybe in the movieverse Cap's become more of an Uncle Sam type figure.
Most people in the modern day, just think the guy was propaganda, and didn't really exist.

 

[Rock Sexton]

maybe in the movieverse Cap's become more of an Uncle Sam type figure.
Most people in the modern day, just think the guy was propaganda, and didn't really exist.

Makes sense. That's essentially what they did in the movie .... replace Uncle Sam with Captain America.

 

[WildcatNC]

Famous Nazi like Hitler is common sense yes .... obviously I would remember him. In reference to that question though, are you a history buff?

I see your point. I think the separation that needs to be made is that Cap perhaps might be remembered, but I'm not buying people know he was experimented on.

I am a history buff. Everyone I know at least knows who most of those famous historical figures are from that day though.

I agree with you about the bolded. I don't think many would know about that.

 

[quara33]

I'm just drawing from personal experience. I'm a 33 year old male. My grandfather was a WWII vet who used to tell stories all the time. For the life of me I couldn't give you a great example of a soldier/general who might've been known from that time.

Alas that second part is what I'm talking about ..... I don't think we assume (if he's remembered) that people are aware of that fact that he was experimented on.

heh, I'm 32 and my best friend's great-grandfather was a palace guard for the Romanovs. He was constantly telling us stories about how creepy Rasputin was. He was always very sad when anyone talked about Anastasia surviving the coup, which we didn't understand until much, much later.

I think the second point is tricky, but who wouldn't tell the story about how Captain America was once a weakling that got beaten up every other week? (and Steve Rogers = Captain America would've been known because he was awarded a medal for the rescue of the Howling Commandos). Famous people are remembered by their neighbors a lot more easily than regular Joes, especially if the 'hometown stories' conflict with the public perception.

 

[darkslayer101]

tumblr is so hilarious

 

[Rock Sexton]

I think the second point is tricky, but who wouldn't tell the story about how Captain America was once a weakling that got beaten up every other week? (and Steve Rogers = Captain America would've been known because he was awarded a medal for the rescue of the Howling Commandos). Famous people are remembered by their neighbors a lot more easily than regular Joes, especially if the 'hometown stories' conflict with the public perception.

You're assuming the army would publicize the fact that some weakling, unknown was injected with a top secret serum they created. Remember Steve really didn't have anyone in his life other than Bucky and he's been missing or presumed dead .... both of his parents were dead, etc. etc.

 

[WildcatNC]

heh, I'm 32 and my best friend's great-grandfather was a palace guard for the Romanovs. He was constantly telling us stories about how creepy Rasputin was. He was always very sad when anyone talked about Anastasia surviving the coup, which we didn't understand until much, much later.

I think the second point is tricky, but who wouldn't tell the story about how Captain America was once a weakling that got beaten up every other week? (and Steve Rogers = Captain America would've been known because he was awarded a medal for the rescue of the Howling Commandos). Famous people are remembered by their neighbors a lot more easily than regular Joes, especially if the 'hometown stories' conflict with the public perception.

Thats awesome. It would be incredible to get to hear those stories first hand. Rasputin is a fascinating figure.

 

[WildcatNC]

maybe in the movieverse Cap's become more of an Uncle Sam type figure.
Most people in the modern day, just think the guy was propaganda, and didn't really exist.

Nah, that wouldn't make any sense at all.

There was actual movies made of him, bonds tours, etc. It would be like someone saying Elvis or Marilyn Monroe were not real.

 

[Rock Sexton]

Nah, that wouldn't make any sense at all.

There was actual movies made of him, bonds tours, etc. It would be like someone saying Elvis or Marilyn Monroe were not real.

They had Uncle Sam propaganda much the same except he was based on a man who worked in a meat packing plant.

http://news.discovery.com/videos/history-uncle-sam-who-was-he.html