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[Poni_Boy]

The main objection seems to be that the movies have any connections at all, as some seem upset that Marvel has created a shared universe for its characters. The irony is that if Marvel behaved like WB and left its franchises unconnected, people would be whining about that.

Yahtzee

 

[wobbly]

Yeah. I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about how they're left at the end of the film.

Gotcha.

And they were given some resolution after Thor leaves for Asgard: In the final moments when Jane, Darcy and Selvig are getting ready to go storm chasing again Selvig says: "Have we got the Shield satellite codes?"

From this we can see that they not only gave Jane all her equipment back but are now helping her in finding another route to Asgard.

They expanded on that in the post credits bit as well.

 

[Chewy]

They become that. They didn't start that way.

Yeah in terms of the film. But when the screenwriters sat to plot the film out, it's clear they included SHIELD as an obstacle for our hero, ostensibly a "villain" from his point of view for the majority of the film

 

[TheGambler]

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[Drummerdude7]

Gotcha.

And they were given some resolution after Thor leaves for Asgard: In the final moments when Jane, Darcy and Selvig are getting ready to go storm chasing again Selvig says: "Have we got the Shield satellite codes?"

From this we can see that they not only gave Jane all her equipment back but are now helping her in finding another route to Asgard.

They expanded on that in the post credits bit as well.

The post-credits scene really intrigued me.

Especially when Selvig says "A gateway to another dimension...it's unprecendented. Isn't it?" And Fury is silent.

Leads me to maintain my belief that SHIELD knows more about the cube that they haven't revealed yet...or at least know that it can open portals the way it opened up for Skull...that and the invaders are in fact from one of the nine realms.

 

[Nova2113]

Translation of text: "I want you to go in that bag, and find my wallet. It's the one that says Bad Mother******."

Now that is entertaining

 

[Xeno]

My biggest problem with SHIELD's appearance in these films is the fan reaction. It seems like they are just never happy and want MOAR, across the board. If someone had told me in 2002 that in a decade's time we would have Marvel superhero movies that tie together and use SHIELD as the rope, I would have laughed out loud.

They are a plot device. They help the story along. Up until Avengers, they aren't really important. They are there first and foremost for the fans.

SHIELD serves a larger purpose than merely pleasing the fans, IMO. The organization provides the mechanism and the impetus for forming the Avengers and, more broadly, for introducing and managing other heroes on down the line. Instead of having the heroes "accidentally" meeting and forming a team to face a foe, Nick Fury and SHIELD have identified various super-powered beings and done much of the prep work.


In the context of the MCU this works perfectly. The audience doesn't have to swallow the idea that everyone randomly comes together, conflict is built into the setup and the story can flow from that. SHIELD worked a lot better than Rick Jones and his Teen Brigade calling in the heroes on their ham radios.

 

[sabetoonth]

How far off might I be, if I guessed after watching CA:TF, that the cube may have sent Skull not through the realms but possibly through time? Can the cube even do that? I dont know much about it

 

[Xeno]

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Oh, I love those! Anyone who complained about Tony not wearing his helmet should be appeased. Hawkeye looks terrific.

 

[Poni_Boy]

SHIELD serves a larger purpose than merely pleasing the fans, IMO. The organization provides the mechanism and the impetus for forming the Avengers and, more broadly, for introducing and managing other heroes on down the line. Instead of having the heroes "accidentally" meeting and forming a team to face a foe, Nick Fury and SHIELD have identified various super-powered beings and done much of the prep work.


In the context of the MCU this works perfectly. The audience doesn't have to swallow the idea that everyone randomly comes together, conflict is built into the setup and the story can flow from that. SHIELD worked a lot better than Rick Jones and his Teen Brigade calling in the heroes on their ham radios.

Yes, that is their larger purpose; but they were introduced/utilized first and foremost as fan service in the hopes that the theme could be expanded upon down the road. Had Iron Man not been received well, the SHIELD references may have been a mute point in future Marvel Studios films. With the exception of Captain America, none of the films truly need SHIELD. Any clandestine/government/corporation could have stood in.

 

[Drummerdude7]

Yeah I don't mind SHIELD serving the role they do. They're a global security force, so it's only logical that they would be involved in superhero activity in some capacity. Their "extended" presence in IM 2 didn't bother me as much as it did others...I would've liked to see a little less of them, but I liked how they had a hand in assisting Tony and showed that he wasn't able to solve everything, even though he thinks he can.

 

[wobbly]

How far off might I be, if I guessed after watching CA:TF, that the cube may have sent Skull not through the realms but possibly through time? Can the cube even do that? I dont know much about it

With the movies Cube (or Tesseract as its called for them) we don't know yet. So far we know it can be used as a power source (red Skulls weapons) and (almost certainly) can open an 'Einstein-Rosen Bridge' but Time travel is an unknown.

The comic book Cosmic Cube is a different beast. Basic idea is that it can grant the wishes & desires of anyone who holds it (can alter reality).

 

[Xeno]

How far off might I be, if I guessed after watching CA:TF, that the cube may have sent Skull not through the realms but possibly through time? Can the cube even do that? I dont know much about it

The Cube can do damn near anything that the person wielding it wills it to do. Its main ability is the power to warp reality, reshape it to suit the person who controls it. The Red Skull was obsessed with Odin's treasures and with Asgard, so he might have inadvertently willed the Cube to transport him to Asgard.

 

[J.Howlett]

Gotcha.

And they were given some resolution after Thor leaves for Asgard: In the final moments when Jane, Darcy and Selvig are getting ready to go storm chasing again Selvig says: "Have we got the Shield satellite codes?"

From this we can see that they not only gave Jane all her equipment back but are now helping her in finding another route to Asgard.

They expanded on that in the post credits bit as well.

True. Again, I say Thor is very close to being standalone...

 

[sabetoonth]

With the movies Cube (or Tesseract as its called for them) we don't know yet. So far we know it can be used as a power source (red Skulls weapons) and (almost certainly) can open an 'Einstein-Rosen Bridge' but Time travel is an unknown.

The comic book Cosmic Cube is a different beast. Basic idea is that it can grant the wishes & desires of anyone who holds it (can alter reality).

The Cube can do damn near anything that the person wielding it wills it to do. Its main ability is the power to warp reality, reshape it to suit the person who controls it. The Red Skull was obsessed with Odin's treasures and with Asgard, so he might have inadvertently willed the Cube to transport him to Asgard.

the ability to warp reality Im aware of, as I am the theory he was sent to Asgard or another of the nine realms, but I also recall him talking about he future, so it was just an idea.

And it could be used as a way to bring him back in future films without freezing or something of hat sort

 

[gugumugats]

Yes, that is their larger purpose; but they were introduced/utilized first and foremost as fan service in the hopes that the theme could be expanded upon down the road. Had Iron Man not been received well, the SHIELD references may have been a mute point in future Marvel Studios films. With the exception of Captain America, none of the films truly need SHIELD. Any clandestine/government/corporation could have stood in.

Good point. I kind of made the same point about a shared DC Universe when people kept arguing that MCU had SHIELD to tie all the movies together. SHIELD in all the MCU movies (other than IM2 and CATFA) were more reactionary to the arrival of the superheroes rather than a play a large irreplaceable (key word, ireeplaceable) factor in the story. I'm sure Thor and Hulk could have done without SHIELD and still retain the same story. SHIELD seems more like a cue that all these characters exist in the same universe.

I think the Avengers with their focus on the military-industry complex (outside of Thor, except his world provides the baddies for the superheroes to fight) is one of the reasons that Marvel works better as a shared universe compared to DC. SHIELD is only but an aspect of the military focused superheroes.

 

[Drummerdude7]

The cube's powerset is incredibly undefined at this point, so it can be shaped however MS wants it to...it's powered weapons, opened gateways to other worlds...who's to say it can't perform any other extraordinary feats. The potential, at the current time, is limitless.

 

[Quasimod0]

Its pretty cool that Coulson survived confrontations with Stane and the Destroyer

 

[gugumugats]

^People have been saying that Coulson is a Kree. Is that a joke, or something that has been hinted in the expanded universe?

 

[Quasimod0]

Just a joke. But people speculate that he's captain marvel in disguise. I doubt it though

 

[sabetoonth]

Its really just a theory to my knowledge.

 

[Xeno]

Yes, that is their larger purpose; but they were introduced/utilized first and foremost as fan service in the hopes that the theme could be expanded upon down the road. Had Iron Man not been received well, the SHIELD references may have been a mute point in future Marvel Studios films. With the exception of Captain America, none of the films truly need SHIELD. Any clandestine/government/corporation could have stood in.

But there is no need to use a generic "men in black" agency when SHIELD exists in the comics, tailor-made for the role it plays. Not using SHIELD would have been a major misstep on Marvel's part because the fictional spy agency has been an integral part of the mythos since early days of the comics universe. Omitting such an authentic piece of Marvel history would have left the MCU a lot blander and more ordinary. Who would prefer mere FBI agents when we could have SHIELD superspies and a freaking Helicarrier instead?

 

[Weadazoid]

Thor shows that. It's the cheapest looking of the five. Again, favorite of the five, but cheapest looking of the five.

I gotta disagree with that. Asgaurd was nicely fleshed out and a good portion of the movie takes place there




Yotenhiem, seemed a little movie setty to me, but the action that took place there made up for it. Still though not as fleshed out as I would have liked



but still... Asgaurd was so much more interesting then say Oa and look at all the money that was thrown into that




cheep? I think thats harsh


Plus even though the demise of the Destoryer was short lived.... His overall look was FANTASTIC CGI pretty much ripped from the pages of the books.

 

[Poni_Boy]

But there is no need to use a generic "men in black" agency when SHIELD exists in the comics, tailor-made for the role it plays. Not using SHIELD would have been a major misstep on Marvel's part because the fictional spy agency has been an integral part of the mythos since early days of the comics universe. Omitting such an authentic piece of Marvel history would have left the MCU a lot blander and more ordinary. Who would prefer mere FBI agents when we could have SHIELD superspies and a freaking Helicarrier instead?

Yes, I'm not debating that at all. I don't think you understand what I've been saying. The point I made was that utilizing SHIELD the way that Marvel has up to this point is really no different than any movie which uses generic "men in black" characters. Of course I, as a fan, am ecstatic they are included. But, I can also recognize that SHIELD's introduction is Iron Man was first off fan service; with the obvious hope to expand on it in future installments

 

[Poni_Boy]

Asgaurd

Asgard