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[wobbly]

Why so early?

They might be going for an early premiere to allow for good WOM to spread further before actual release, build up the hype still further, etc. I don't know how normal this is mind you so I'm guessing, but I'd think that suggests they are very confident in the film.

What I have seen is premieres shortly before release, with attending critics embargoed and so on, is when the studio is somewhat concerned with their product.

 

[roach]

They might be going for an early premiere to allow for good WOM to spread further before actual release, build up the hype still further, etc. I don't know how normal this is mind you so I'm guessing, but I'd think that suggests they are very confident in the film.

What I have seen is premieres shortly before release, with attending critics embargoed and so on, is when the studio is somewhat concerned with their product.

which may hurt if the WOM isn't good( yeah I know but I like to play devil's advocate)

 

[babykhris]

Poni_Boy,
Real excited to hear that Marvel Studios has Scarlet Witch & Quicksilver, but I was wondering were the following characters owned by Marvel or FOX

Dazzler
Cable
Longshot
Sauron
Alpha Flight

 

[darkslayer101]

I JUST SAW AN AVENGERS TV SPOT ON TV AND IT WAS AWESOME! It actually showed a slight extension of the circle shot and it showed off a bit more of Cap in the shot.

His suit and cowl looked great.

which channel was it on and were there any new footage?

 

[Xeno]

I like Scarlet Witch alot and I'm glad Marvel Studios has her rights (instead of Fox), but the problem with her is that SW's mutant ability is kind of hard to define. Basically, she can manipulate the probability so she can make things that are improbable into inevitable, and I'm not sure how that will translate on the big screen. On the other hand, I think Ms. Marvel (her origin tied with Capt. Marvel notwithstanding) would be a great superheroine to have, and one that we can see fighting next to Thor, IM, and even Hulk due to her simple yet powerful superpowers.

The knock on Black Widow is that she is still just a very well-trained secret agent and she has her limitations, but Ms. Marvel doesn't have that weakness. That's why next to Wasp, she is the female superhero I want to see in TA2 the most.

I understand what you're saying about Wanda's powers being undefinable, in a way, but in my mind that's what makes her so unique and interesting. She's like a human Tesseract, if you will, with virtually limitless potential that also happens to be somewhat of a wild card. In one issue of The Avengers, the Scarlet Witch destroyed a Sentinel by dropping an asteroid on it. That kind of power is very unique among superheroes and visually stunning. And unlike Ms. Marvel, Wanda's powers do not duplicate those of any other Avenger. It would give the team some diversity of talent, as well as up the unpredictability.

 

[Raiden]

Hopefully Marvel works something out with him down the road. I don't see him as a good Hank Pym though

I agree. I think he bears some resemblance to Jeremy Renner for some reason.

I understand what you're saying about Wanda's powers being undefinable, in a way, but in my mind that's what makes her so unique and interesting. She's like a human Tesseract, if you will, with virtually limitless potential that also happens to be somewhat of a wild card. In one issue of The Avengers, the Scarlet Witch destroyed a Sentinel by dropping an asteroid on it. That kind of power is very unique among superheroes and visually stunning. And unlike Ms. Marvel, Wanda's powers do not duplicate those of any other Avenger. It would give the team some diversity of talent, as well as up the unpredictability.

I think it really depends on how they write her character's powers. They have to set some limit to them somehow, otherwise it'd be hard to suspend belief because basically there won't be any obstacles that she can't overcome. If they can make the powers seemed powerful yet within reason the audience might be more acceptable.

 

[Deejo]

Dropping asteroids on people is the exact crazy bats**t I would love to see in comic movies!

 

[AndrewGilkison]

I think it would be kind of weird to see either Scarlett Witch or Quicksilver without their comic book backstories. Is it just me?

 

[roach]

I think it would be kind of weird to see either Scarlett Witch or Quicksilver without their comic book backstories. Is it just me?

i was just about to type this...i would hate to have them and not have a link to Magneto

 

[terry78]

They may go with her powers being ambiguously supernatural to boot. They say she's a mutant, but that's a hell of a power to have.

 

[Poni_Boy]

They may go with her powers being ambiguously supernatural to boot. They say she's a mutant, but that's a hell of a power to have.

Or, like in the original run, they don't know their own backstories

 

[wobbly]

I think it would be kind of weird to see either Scarlett Witch or Quicksilver without their comic book backstories. Is it just me?

I kinda agree, but we have the benefit of comic book hindsight to work with. Thing is aside from being in Magneto's first Brotherhood their being his children wasn't revealed until the late 70's (well, it actually took longer for them to outright say it, but the first very heavy hints were placed back then).

 

[roach]

yeah but thats a major part of the backstory...like Batman killed when he first was introduced but now the non killing aspect of the character is a major part of his being

 

[marvel_freshman]

We've already seen them, but....from WonderCon

 

[Poni_Boy]

yeah but thats a major part of the backstory...like Batman killed when he first was introduced but now the non killing aspect of the character is a major part of his being

That's not really the same thing.

A closer comparison would be Luke Skywalker before and after he found out Vader was his father. They *could* have gone on for a few more movies without revealing it and it wouldn't have taken away from the character; but once that was revealed it changed him for the better. SW and Quicksilver's backstories would have to be detailed eventually, but they don't have to be addresses at the beginning for their characters to make sense.

 

[Poni_Boy]

We've already seen them, but....from WonderCon

Got mine pre-ordered already! Been waiting years for this

EDIT: I'm surprised they didn't bring the Hawkeye and BW stuff =\

 

[marvel_freshman]

Looking forward to the other props they have in store

 

[Iceman]

We've already seen them, but....from WonderCon

Wow, would love those in my living room. Throw in Hawkeye's bow as well.

 

[Raiden]

That's not really the same thing.

A closer comparison would be Luke Skywalker before and after he found out Vader was his father. They *could* have gone on for a few more movies without revealing it and it wouldn't have taken away from the character; but once that was revealed it changed him for the better. SW and Quicksilver's backstories would have to be detailed eventually, but they don't have to be addresses at the beginning for their characters to make sense.

I think I read somewhere that Lucas originally did not plan to have Vader being Luke's father, nor Luke & Leia being siblings. It may explain why in ANH, it featured had some sexual tensions between Luke, Leia, and Han, and I think the Marvel Comics' Star Wars even had some stories involving both Luke and Leia that suggested something between them. Anyway, I think while it would be nice to have Magneto connect to SW and QS, I don't think it is integral to have this relationship in MCU. Most casual moviegoers don't know the connection, anyway.

 

[Poni_Boy]

I think I read somewhere that Lucas originally did not plan to have Vader being Luke's father, nor Luke & Leia being siblings. It may explain why in ANH, it featured had some sexual tensions between Luke, Leia, and Han, and I think the Marvel Comics' Star Wars even had some stories involving both Luke and Leia that suggested something between them. Anyway, I think while it would be nice to have Magneto connect to SW and QS, I don't think it is integral to have this relationship in MCU. Most casual moviegoers don't know the connection, anyway.

I would go as far as to say plenty of comic book readers don't know it either, or totally forgot about it. It's really not that important when introducing them.

 

[Iceman]

Not everything about a character has to be revealed for the character to work well. The Magneto connection doesn't matter here as Magneto is not even in the film! Not that it wouldn't be great to see it revealed one day in a film in which they both are in, however unlikely.

 

[metaphysician]

Hmm, if I were to do a movie version of Scarlet Witch, here are two ways to handle her powers that come to mind:

1. The easy one- just make her a sorceress. Remember, Dr Strange is probably getting a movie; if it establishes the "rules" of magic well enough, you might be able to just have Wanda be a ( presumably weaker ) mage

2. Change her power to "transforming matter and energy." She doesn't control probability or reality, she just takes matter or energy, and changes it into some other form of matter or energy. This would need restrictions, natch. I'm thinking that the changes are only temporary, and the more extreme the change, the quicker it reverts.

Neither would necessarily be easy, but they seem the most obvious ways to define her power.

 

[Herolee10]

Based on the things that we've seen and heard, I wonder if this is how they'll pair off the Avengers when it comes to seeing them fight alongside each other in the battlefield when it's just a two man squad in certain parts of the city:

1. Thor & Captain America: Legendary Heroes

2. Black Widow & Hawkeye: SHIELD Agents

3. Iron Man & Hulk: Heroes created by Science

 

[Flemm]

1. Thor & Captain America: Legendary Heroes

2. Black Widow & Hawkeye: SHIELD Agents

3. Iron Man & Hulk: Heroes created by Science

Not sure if it will always work that way, but I like what I've seen so far of Cap and Thor fighting side by side. That is epic stuff.


As to Wanda and Quicksilver, I'm not too anxious to see them brought into the picture. I know they go way back in the Avengers and everything, but to me the more interesting stuff is to be found either by going toward Hank/Janet/Ultron, or more cosmic with the Kree/Skrull war + Captain Marvel/Ms. Marvel.

I guess it's still possible we'll see some of that cosmic material in this movie. I'm partial to the idea of Coulson being Mar-vell.

 

[Spider-Vader]

Poni_Boy,
Cable

I sort of hope they own the rights to Cable, so that there can be a Deadpool & Cable movie sometime in the near future.

I don't know how I feel about Marvel owning the rights to Wanda & Pietro. I like that they can be Avengers, but it'll take a big aspect of their characters away if they weren't former Mutant Terrorists under the leadership of their dad. :/