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[DoomsdayApex]

I meant that from Tony's perspective. HE thinks he knows best. His whole persona is based around his ego. So naturally he would think of himself as in charge, no?

True, which is why I wanted Disney/Marvel to explore that angle significantly more in the marketing. Tony Stark is a man not fit to lead a group of superheroes and Steve Rogers challenges him on every turn. We got some of that via the first trailer but it slipped under the radar in trailer two.

 

[jaqua99]

I swear that music can make even scrubbing your toilet an epic adventure.

Yup, what is it called?

Also, O'Fortuna

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWiyKgeGWx0

Well, the Cap has military training that could come well in handy and could put him in a very strong leading position when it comes to fight a war as a group.

If this is, as Whedon says, indeed a war film, the only true soldier of the bunch, already a leader in WWII, would be a prime candidate for a leader, at least in those capacities.

Yes, but Captain America, is the leader of The Avengers.

And Welcome to the hype!

 

[Poni_Boy]

His popularity is completely understandable given what else TPM had to offer, i.e., jar-jar, 'roger-roger' robots, and pod racing with the muppets.

Oh it is absolutely understandably, especially from the marketing side of the house. He's the coolest thing in that movie. But his limited amount of screentime compared to his front and center place in the film's marketing and cross promotions are a clear indication of when the audience is being pandered to.

Which, when comparing to this ludicrous RDJ/Avengers concern, should help put it into perspective.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Bottom line, Japan is the only country we have evidence of that RDJ is getting the spotlight from the marketing department. If you aren't aware of what is marketable in Japan then your opinion is irrelevant; especially when you dismiss Disney/MS' marketing team like you know better than them.

You clearly missed my point yet again.

 

[jaqua99]

Well Hawkeye and Black Widow are ultimately soldiers. They may be snarky about it but they'll fall in line if they're told someone's the leader.

Banner's that weird guy in the corner. He has no desire to lead, he can barely be talked into participating.

The power struggle between the big three is what makes them the big three. From their perspectives none of them should be falling in line. They would each individually make the "best" leader.

The bromantic triangle they should form ultimately makes that a moot point. Thor and Stark will allow Cap to assume his rightful place as leader not because they're told to, but because he's their friend, and they know he deserves to

There it is.

 

[Poni_Boy]

Well, the Cap has military training that could come well in handy and could put him in a very strong leading position when it comes to fight a war as a group.

If this is, as Whedon says, indeed a war film, the only true soldier of the bunch, already a leader in WWII, would be a prime candidate for a leader, at least in those capacities.

Steve Rogers isn't the only soldier in the bunch. Hawkeye and Widow are soldiers as well, and they also haven't been on ice for 70 years.

Thor is a warrior leader with the most combat experience out of the lot by hundreds of years.

Cap should be the leader but only when he earns his place. Being assigned as the field commander for the team, with everyone falling in line, would be a cop out and I doubt it's going to happen. He doesn't think he should be leading the team until be proves his mettle. Just like any good soldier.

 

[Shadowlord X]

Oh it is absolutely understandably, especially from the marketing side of the house. He's the coolest thing in that movie. But his limited amount of screentime compared to his front and center place in the film's marketing and cross promotions are a clear indication of when the audience is being pandered to.

Which, when comparing to this ludicrous RDJ/Avengers concern, should help put it into perspective.

LOL. He's the only cool thing in that movie, although I liked Qui Gon.

And yes, you're right about the pandering.

 

[Chewy]

True, which is why I wanted Disney/Marvel to use that angle significantly more in the marketing. Tony Stark is a man not fit to lead a group of superheroes and Steve Rogers challenges him on every turn. We got some of that via the first trailer but it slipped under the radar in trailer two.

That's what the movie should contain. But they'll sell it as a fun action adventure starring RDJ and Chris Evans

TDK wasn't sold as a movie about the corruption of a good man in Harvey Dent. It was sold as Batman vs Joker, because that's what puts the most butts in the seats

 

[Poni_Boy]

You clearly missed my point yet again.

What point? I just re-read all your posts on this topic and I think you've forgotten whatever point you were trying to make. Stop arguing unnecessarily

 

[mara]

A question to everyone:

Each of the following have a good underlying mythos and IMO could have really good movies based upon them. However they all come with risks for blockbuster success, especially being C and D list characters wrt GA knowledge. What sort of production budget would you attribute to movies based on the following characters in light of their potential for BO success?

BLACK PANTHER
IMMORTAL IRON FIST
DR. STRANGE
BLACK WIDOW

I just have to say, I was a little disappointed Black Panther isn't in the movie. At least not that I know of. But I like him and was hoping to see him! hehe I'm hoping for an honorable mention of him somewhere other then a spot on a screen, know what I mean....

Speaking of...

Spoiler

In the storybook Stark was contemplating the helicarrier "wondering how they were powering it, who'd designed it, who'd built it and more.." Could this be a reference to Wakanda tech?

 

[Poni_Boy]

That's what the movie should contain. But they'll sell it as a fun action adventure starring RDJ and Chris Evans

TDK wasn't sold as a movie about the corruption of a good man in Harvey Dent. It was sold as Batman vs Joker, because that's what puts the most butts in the seats

He's not going to get it. He apparently wants the exact plot of the movie to be put on display in the marketing materials.

 

[BigThor]

That's what the movie should contain. But they'll sell it as a fun action adventure starring RDJ and Chris Evans

TDK wasn't sold as a movie about the corruption of a good man in Harvey Dent. It was sold as Batman vs Joker, because that's what puts the most butts in the seats

True

 

[Hawkingbird]

I hate to be a pain but any updates? Much love :3

 

[Chewy]

I hate to be a pain but any updates? Much love :3

More of the usual. Though there's also an article about how Renner's arms are at the wrong angles for his shots over in the Hawkeye thread

 

[DoomsdayApex]

That's what the movie should contain. But they'll sell it as a fun action adventure starring RDJ and Chris Evans

TDK wasn't sold as a movie about the corruption of a good man in Harvey Dent. It was sold as Batman vs Joker, because that's what puts the most butts in the seats

Don't get me wrong, not everything needs to be serious and crucial, but I believe a stern interaction between the two in the second trailer would have been perfect mainly because the encounter between Tony and Steve in the first trailer was wasted, in my opinion, of course.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Yup, what is it called?

Requiem for a Dream Orchestral Version - Clint Mansell

[YT]KSY4Yi2ypno[/YT]

 

[Poni_Boy]

I hate to be a pain but any updates? Much love :3

World premiere set for April 11th in Los Angeles

Set visit embargo lifts on April 2nd

Review embargo lifts on April 16th

New international posters in the image thread up wonder ^

 

[Pond]

Steve Rogers isn't the only soldier in the bunch. Hawkeye and Widow are soldiers as well, and they also haven't been on ice for 70 years.

Thor is a warrior leader with the most combat experience out of the lot by hundreds of years.

Cap should be the leader but only when he earns his place. Being assigned as the field commander for the team, with everyone falling in line, would be a cop out and I doubt it's going to happen. He doesn't think he should be leading the team until be proves his mettle. Just like any good soldier.

Hawkeye and Black Widow may be soldiers, but they are mostly solo agents; assasins, spies, whatever... or neither. THey are errand boys send by grocery clerks (long pause) to collect the bill.

Thor is from another realm, not really that atuned to earths ways to go on leading us.

Cap has been the leader of many earth war moments, even if it was 70 years ago. He has strategy training; in many ways, he fought a great war, one of the biggest.

Im not saying they will asign him to be a leader for this; i agree with you, and others, that he will have to proove hi is actually worth it, both on the professional and the personal sense; after all, it is not the same thing to lead a bunch of soldiers that are bound to obey you in a big war than to lead a bunch of misfit prima donnas with private agendas on a interdimensional or spacial dogfight; i was just trying to point out one of the characteristics, only one, mind you, for wich he might be a perfect fit to begin with.

But no; i dont think he will be assigned to it just becasuse he is a good old soldier and wwII leader and everyone is gonna follow, no.

 

[Guerrilla]

I wonder how much the team will communicate over their radios...i guess it should happen quite a bit. Will hulk have a communicator?

 

[Poni_Boy]

Hawkeye and Black Widow may be soldiers, but they are mostly solo agents; assasins, spies, whatever... or neither. THey are errand boys send by grocery clerks (long pause) to collect the bill.

Thor is from another realm, not really that atuned to earths ways to go on leading us.

Cap has been the leader of many earth war moments, even if it was 70 years ago. He has strategy training; in many ways, he fought a great war, one of the biggest.

As much as a Cap fan as I am, and it's obvious that he will be the field commander by the end of this film, I think it's pretty silly to compare Hawkeye and Widow to errand boys. I don't understand this mentality of having to bash other Avengers just so your fav can stand out. It's unnecessary, they are all on the team for specific reasons that don't detract from one another. Go pick up The Ultimates comics and see exactly how important SHIELD's wet works team is.

As for Thor, you missed the point, if he doesn't want to be led by a mortal then... he won't be. He's the self appointed protector of Midgard and the most powerful Avengers team member, good luck telling him he doesn't know what's best for Earth.

But no; i dont think he will be assigned to it just becasuse he is a good old soldier and wwII leader and everyone is gonna follow, no.

You think people that are equally as important and physically more powerful will just follow him because he's old? No. That's not how it works in both realistic combat situations and in any Avengers comic this movie may be based on.

 

[BigThor]

As for Thor, you missed the point, if he doesn't want to be led by a mortal then... he won't be. He's the self appointed protector of Midgard and the most powerful Avengers team member, good luck telling him he doesn't know what's best for Earth.

Good point

You think people that are equally as important and physically more powerful will just follow him because he's old? No. That's not how it works in both realistic combat situations and in any Avengers comic this movie may be based on.

Thor's over a thousand years old and technically "the first Avenger", so age definately has nothing to do with Cap being the leader.

 

[Splat]

In regard to Cap leading the team one of my favorite moments in the first season of EMH was in the finale. They're fighting a giant wolf I think and Cap proceeds to tell everyone what to do and next thing you know they've killed or knocked out the wolf. Good stuff.

 

[Quasimod0]

Cap is right in the front of the team in most of the promo art. I'm not sure why anyone would think tony is the leader. He shows no leadership potential really, and fury didn't even want him on the team. They were just gonna use him as a consultant. In the story book it says that fury wants cap to lead.

 

[Quasimod0]

In regard to Cap leading the team one of my favorite moments in the first season of EMH was in the finale. They're fighting a giant wolf I think and Cap proceeds to tell everyone what to do and next thing you know they've killed or knocked out the wolf. Good stuff.

Yes that was amazing. He also does that when kang attacks. I hope he has a moment like that in the avengers. Where he's giving out orders

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

The marketing for this film began fine with the teaser "A" poster & the banner of Cap, Ruffalo, RDJ & Thor. It went to **** once they released the new poster with "ROBERT DOWNEY JR. 'THE AVENGERS'" and made Cap into a background character. Then came that absurd Japanese poster with RDJ's giant head. I keep saying it, its okay to let Downey get top billing & be the central focus of the marketing campaign, its just not okay to take it to the level they've taken it. A buddy of mine saw the new Avengers poster when we went to see Wim Wenders' PINA & he said to me " Why is Cap all the way in the back?" I replied "Because the people marketing this film are idiots." They're turning off the fanbase, which can only hurt their BO.