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[Alexei Belyakov]

All this Hulk talk has me wondering if the studio will ever give us another Hulk solo film. One thing I'll never forget Letterrier said was detrimental about an Avengers picture is that it would be hard to justify a post-Avengers Hulk film - because why would the Hulk face a threat on his own when he could just call The Avengers for back-up? One can apply that same thought process to IM3 & Cap 2 (specially Cap 2). I mean, why would Cap do anything on his own when he can get Tony, Banner & SHIELD to back him up? With Thor its understandable because he lives in another world, but I'm already having trouble picturing Tony fighting another Whiplash-esque threat in IM3 on his own.

 

[Crimson King]

WETA is not associated with Avengers. ILM is handling non-character effects.

Again, what Marvel Studios characters -- since this film has a budget and limited resources -- have you seen on screen to date that are completely CGI like Hulk and don't look off/fake when they talk? Aside from Abomination, there isn't one that comes to mind that even talked at all.

So we have NO IDEA if Hulk is going to talk in Avengers because if they try it and it looks dumb you can bet your bottom dollar Joss will cut it the hell out of the movie. Marvel Studios does not take leaps of faith with the suspension of disbelief in their films. Hence, the motion capture performance for Ruffalo. They need it to be viscerally engaging.

Pretty sure WETA is associated. http://www.wetafx.co.nz/in_production/

You're insistent on talking about past Marvel characters. I'm talking about the Avengers, which is in the future. It's totally possible, given ILM and WETA's pedigree, that they can create a Hulk that doesn't look ridiculous when speaking.

I agree that they will cut the speech if he looks too bad, but I'd be really surprised if that happened. Joss is on record as saying that he specifically *doesn't* want a Hulk that only roars.

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

Pretty sure WETA is associated. http://www.wetafx.co.nz/in_production/

You're insistent on talking about past Marvel characters. I'm talking about the Avengers, which is in the future. It's totally possible, given ILM and WETA's pedigree, that they can create a Hulk that doesn't look ridiculous when speaking.

I agree that they will cut the speech if he looks too bad, but I'd be really surprised if that happened. Joss is on record as saying that he specifically *doesn't* want a Hulk that only roars.

Whedon also said at first that the film would be in Cap's POV & then took it back later on.

 

[Raiden]

All this Hulk talk has me wondering if the studio will ever give us another Hulk solo film. One thing I'll never forget Letterrier said was detrimental about an Avengers picture is that it would be hard to justify a post-Avengers Hulk film - because why would the Hulk face a threat on his own when he could just call The Avengers for back-up? One can apply that same thought process to IM3 & Cap 2 (specially Cap 2). I mean, why would Cap do anything on his own when he can get Tony, Banner & SHIELD to back him up? With Thor its understandable because he lives in another world, but I'm already having trouble picturing Tony fighting another Whiplash-esque threat in IM3 on his own.

Why would it be hard? Cap, Thor, and IM all have their own respective comic book, and they all do their own thing and faced their own villains. You don't see Cap calling his Avengers buddies every time Red Skull shows up, or IM speed-dialed other team members when he encountered Crimson Dynamo. After TA ends, the team will probably disperse to their separate paths, and they will show up again in their own sequels. I don't think the audience will expect crossovers in every movie post-Avengers; they are smarter than that.

 

[PowerPacked]

Whedon also said at first that the film would be in Cap's POV & then took it back later on.

He didn't take it back, he said it just wasn't as much as the initial cut. You know, the cut he did himself.

 

[Crimson King]

Whedon also said at first that the film would be in Cap's POV & then took it back later on.

That's true, and his Hulk comment was in the same round of interviews. Given that the premiere is in a couple of weeks, I'd say it's more likely than not that he'll be speaking in the movie, much to the chagrin of those who want him to be mute.

As for the solo movies, I don't think it'll be too hard for the GA to grasp. The Avengers is the nuclear option. You don't call them up to have them handle a lesser foe.

 

[Gamma Burst]

Yeah, I can't see why this would be an issue.

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

Why would it be hard? Cap, Thor, and IM all have their own respective comic book, and they all do their own thing and faced their own villains. You don't see Cap calling his Avengers buddies every time Red Skull shows up, or IM speed-dialed other team members when he encountered Crimson Dynamo. After TA ends, the team will probably disperse to their separate paths, and they will show up again in their own sequels. I don't think the audience will expect crossovers in every movie post-Avengers; they are smarter than that.

Alright, so for instance: In IM3, Tony is fighting Mandarin in Santa Monica. Naturally, SHIELD learns of this battle within minutes. Are SHIELD & Cap just gonna watch the fight via satellite & cheer for Tony? That's what I'm talkin' about. Why wouldn't they just do what they did in IM2 & get involved? Specially now that Cap's in the picture? The Black Widow rumors in IM3 make perfect sense & support the aforementioned thought. Why fight alone after The Avengers?

 

[MrGreen]

Alright, so for instance: In IM3, Tony is fighting Mandarin in Santa Monica. Naturally, SHIELD learns of this battle within minutes. Are SHIELD & Cap just gonna watch the fight via satellite & cheer for Tony? That's what I'm talkin' about. Why wouldn't they just do what they did in IM2 & get involved? Specially now that Cap's in the picture? The Black Widow rumors in IM3 make perfect sense & support the aforementioned thought. Why fight alone after The Avengers?

The same goes as why Iron Man or SHIELD didn't got involved in the Hulk vs Abomination fight or Thor vs Destroyer.

 

[Chewy]

Alright, so for instance: In IM3, Tony is fighting Mandarin in Santa Monica. Naturally, SHIELD learns of this battle within minutes.

The fight would be over in minutes, too. It's not like Tony and the Mandarin will be trading blows for an hour. SHIELD won't necessarily be in a position to respond the second it breaks out

 

[Mysteryman]

Why would Cap be spending all of his time hanging out at SHIELD watching monitors with Nick Fury?

 

[MrGreen]

Do you think the Avengers will deal with the love life in any way? I mean, just the ending having Tony say to Banner something like "Where do you said this chick was?". I don't ask for them or want them in the movie, just a reminder of sort

 

[Caboose]

Whedon also said at first that the film would be in Cap's POV & then took it back later on.

Lies.

 

[kedrell]

Do you think the Avengers will deal with the love life in any way? I mean, just the ending having Tony say to Banner something like "Where do you said this chick was?". I don't ask for them or want them in the movie, just a reminder of sort

They should be referenced, at least. And we know Pepper is actually IN this movie.

 

[Thebumwhowalks]

Why would Cap be spending all of his time hanging out at SHIELD watching monitors with Nick Fury?

Because apparently that army woman was the only woman he ever had a conversation with in his life, and he is too scared to go clubbing.

 

[Raiden]

Alright, so for instance: In IM3, Tony is fighting Mandarin in Santa Monica. Naturally, SHIELD learns of this battle within minutes. Are SHIELD & Cap just gonna watch the fight via satellite & cheer for Tony? That's what I'm talkin' about. Why wouldn't they just do what they did in IM2 & get involved? Specially now that Cap's in the picture? The Black Widow rumors in IM3 make perfect sense & support the aforementioned thought. Why fight alone after The Avengers?

Uh, because they are not sequels of The Avengers? Audience will expect to see Iron Man in IM3, and they're not going to cry foul just because Cap and/or Thor don't appear to lend a hand. Marvel just have to establish the fact that the team-up will only occur in TA and its subsequent films, but in their solo movies they will indeed be solo, otherwise they might as well call them The Avengers part 2, 3, etc. Why is it hard to accept the fact that all of them will have their own personal lives to tend it afterward? It should be an unique event that brings all of them together, not over trivial things like beating up a villain that each can handle by himself.

 

[Rock Sexton]

Bottom line is this: Hulk is NOT a good cinematic solo hero if you just try to translate him directly from his comic book incarnation. He isn't relatable, so obviously they need to change that.

Which is why there's more emphasis on Banner. Not to mention previously mentioned budget constraints in regards to screen time of the Hulk.

 

[weezerspider]

The fight would be over in minutes, too. It's not like Tony and the Mandarin will be trading blows for an hour. SHIELD won't necessarily be in a position to respond the second it breaks out

Yeah I agree with this. Plus Marvel just needs to set up the timeline for MCU Phase two where they are all dealing with their own problems at the same time, so we know that while Iron Man is getting his ass kicked, so are Cap, Thor and(hopefully) Hulk. Then its not like "hey this guy isn't a real threat because The Avengers can come and save our hero" because then we'll be like "Wait they are all getting their asses kicked too".

 

[Quasimod0]

The avengers exist to fight foes that no single hero could defeat alone

 

[Poni_Boy]

Because apparently that army woman was the only woman he ever had a conversation with in his life, and he is too scared to go clubbing.

You win

Close the thread

 

[Rock Sexton]

Uh, because they are not sequels of The Avengers? Audience will expect to see Iron Man in IM3, and they're not going to cry foul just because Cap and/or Thor don't appear to lend a hand. Marvel just have to establish the fact that the team-up will only occur in TA and its subsequent films, but in their solo movies they will indeed be solo, otherwise they might as well call them The Avengers part 2, 3, etc. Why is it hard to accept the fact that all of them will have their own personal lives to tend it afterward? It should be an unique event that brings all of them together, not over trivial things like beating up a villain that each can handle by himself.

It's not quite as far fetch of an inquiry as one might think, especially to the GA. In comics it's fine because comic book readers have the most accepting imaginations on the planet ...... Movie audiences who've seen the Avengers will definitely wonder why various members are not around when the there's a threat like we'll see in the various solo sequels.

 

[Rock Sexton]

The avengers exist to fight foes that no single hero could defeat alone

That in itself is not a valid answer. So let's say Stark faces Mandarin in IM3 .... the rest of them just go, "Nah he's got it. We only jump in when there's a foe that no single hero could defeat alone."

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

That in itself is not a valid answer. So let's say Stark faces Mandarin in IM3 .... the rest of them just go, "Nah he's got it. We only jump in when there's a foe that no single hero could defeat alone."

Exacto mondo.

 

[Rock Sexton]

Exacto mondo.

Logically it's got to be an issue where they are all tied up with their own affairs. There's really no other rational way to explain it.

 

[Quasimod0]

That in itself is not a valid answer. So let's say Stark faces Mandarin in IM3 .... the rest of them just go, "Nah he's got it. We only jump in when there's a foe that no single hero could defeat alone."

Black widow is in iron man 3 and i suppose the rest will be fairly busy with their own things. Like someone said, that battles are over fairly quickly. The other avengers may not be able to get there in time to help.