The Avengers vs X-Men: Days of Future Past

[jmc]

Fury's a developed character? He was a cartoon until Winter Soldier.

 

[flickchick85]

Fury's a developed character? He was a cartoon until Winter Soldier.

It's all relative. He certainly has always had a more distinctive/well-defined personality than any of those characters being discussed, but...that's just not saying much.

 

[Rock Sexton]

Well, to be fair, Xavier's emotional scene was reconned in the same movie in X3, and the deaths in DOFP were imo superficial since theirs too were reconned after Wolverine's mission was successful. I don't agree that Avengers' story was all about the spectacle, because Whedon put many scenes where the characters argued and bickered to each other, until the end when they finally got together to defeat a common enemy. There is more than enough meat in TA, although DOFP does have more emotional moments than TA.

I said this before ..... but even though DOFP had more emotional depth, Avengers came stronger with wit and banter between the group.

 

[Destructus86]

I like both films equally. I feel they are too different to be compared. The mutant side of the universe has always felt so much more different to me from the more "superheroish" side of things.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Days of Future Past easily. A lot more heart and emotion.

I actually prefer both Iron Man 1 and The Winter Soldier to The Avengers as well.

 

[StarkTheProdigy]

I still haven't been able to pick lol.
The Avengers seemed to be much bigger, as fans knew about it and watched movies build up to it since the first Iron Man (2008) so that was easily four years of anticipation with little teasers leading up to it.
X-Men: Days of Future past however, was just a "perfect story for what we have to work with" (having a past cast, and being able to combine them with the original cast). In the end it was a phenomenal X-Men movie. It just didn't seem as big because we had no clue that it would follow First Class when it came out.
Avengers seemed bigger to me, but I really liked the story in DOFP.

 

[LoganGambit87]

DOFP and it isn't even close for me everything in dofp i just think is better

it has far superior acting
way more interesting complex storyline
better script
more heart and emotion
more interesting characters
and even had more inventive action pieces imo
the stakes were also much higher for our heroes too

 

[Mutant 77]

No contest here.

"The Avengers" was an impressive action-adventure movie featuring superheroes. It was good fun. I loved it. Absolutely.

But DAYS OF FUTURE PAST is a serious and epic superhero drama who ranks among the greatest movie ever conceived and produced nowadays.

 

[Drizzle]

"The Avengers" for me, but not by much.

I thought "The Avengers" had a better villain in Loki. Say what you will about Magneto, he hasn't really been a true villain since X3. That's not a bad thing, either. I see Fassbender's Magneto as an anti-hero. Trask wasn't particularly evil. As frightening as the Sentinels were, they were really just drones. Loki is definitely a sympathetic villain, but only in the "Thor" films, not in "The Avengers".

The other thing about both films is that they had the advantage of not needing to introduce a ton of characters because they had already been introduced in previous films. Except the new mutants in the future in "Days Of Future Past". There should have been more development for Sunspot, Blink, Warpath, and especially Bishop. Even Colossus has probably only had one line in each movie he's appeared in. I realize that the movie was never going to focus on the future mutants, but it would have been nice to get to know them a little more so their deaths would have packed more of a punch.

But it's obvious that both series are headed for bigger and more epic films with the imminent introductions of Apocalypse and Thanos.

 

[Rock Sexton]

No contest here.

"The Avengers" was an impressive action-adventure movie featuring superheroes. It was good fun. I loved it. Absolutely.

But DAYS OF FUTURE PAST is a serious and epic superhero drama who ranks among the greatest movie ever conceived and produced nowadays.

I still don't understand how the word "epic" can be used to describe DOFP.

 

[SuperT]

I still don't understand how the word "epic" can be used to describe DOFP.

Depends on what your definition of "epic" is since it has many different interpretations.

I would qualify both The Avengers and Days of Future Past as being epic, most definitely.

 

[Mgneto]

The Avengers was an exciting film, which masked a very ordinary plot with the awesome factor of seeing all of these characters on screen, together at once, culminating in the end sequence.

DOFP is up there with The Dark Knight trilogy, in terms of storytelling. Absolutely brilliant. It's not close.

 

[jmc]

I'm not going to say Avengers lacked heart because I feel both films were made with directors who really loved the movie they were working on, but Avengers disadvantage is that it kinda didn't have a choice but to be a very simplistic story given the nature of the solo films leading up to it. DoFP didn't have the problem of having to mesh different franchises together because every preceding film leading up to it was obviously all part of the same film series, even the First Class film, so there was more possible for that movie to do and say storywise. Age of Ultron is probably going to be in a much better position storywise because now it's established that all those characters exist in the same universe. I've said this before but an argument can be made that the MCU doesn't genuinely begin until The Avengers.

 

[souvlaki]

DOFP is in my top 3 comic book films. Avengers was enjoyable enough but I've literally watched it once and have not felt compelled to watch it again. It's a fun popcorn film and nothing more. That has been my biggest complaint about the MCU films in general though.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Have to go with DOFP, it really corrected every mistake in the franchise and at the same time was an amazing movie in every way. Plus it reaches a level of drama and emotion that TA and the MCU in general just cant touch, I lost count of how many times I nearly cried in DOFP, Avengers never even brought a little bit of that.

I loved TA when i 1st saw it, but that love has dwindled with repeat viewings due to the lack of depth and emotion and the nagging feeling that Whedon wasnt really allowed to let loose (Serenity had a lot more depth and emotion than TA too coincidently). I am a huge fan of both Singer and Whedon, and in DOFP Singer really got to cut loose, I dont feel Whedon has had that chance in the MCU yet.

I feel stuff like that is the reason MCU movies, while non being bad, non have been truly great either, were as for X-Men has at least 3 great movies out of 7 (with The Wolverine, especially the EE being a very good movie and better than many MCU movies also).

But yeah DOFP for me, because it has everything The Avengers had and a lot more on top of that.

 

[LoganGambit87]

i compare avengers to avatar

a huge event film spectacle with huge action,sfx,not the best acting,doesn't have a ton of heart wrenching emotion,and a very simplistic generic plot but it is a fun ride of a film that even your mom can enjoy

 

[jmc]

Have to go with DOFP, it really corrected every mistake in the franchise and at the same time was an amazing movie in every way. Plus it reaches a level of drama and emotion that TA and the MCU in general just cant touch, I lost count of how many times I nearly cried in DOFP, Avengers never even brought a little bit of that.

I loved TA when i 1st saw it, but that love has dwindled with repeat viewings due to the lack of depth and emotion and the nagging feeling that Whedon wasnt really allowed to let loose (Serenity had a lot more depth and emotion than TA too coincidently). I am a huge fan of both Singer and Whedon, and in DOFP Singer really got to cut loose, I dont feel Whedon has had that chance in the MCU yet.

I feel stuff like that is the reason MCU movies, while non being bad, non have been truly great either, were as for X-Men has at least 3 great movies out of 7 (with The Wolverine, especially the EE being a very good movie and better than many MCU movies also).

But yeah DOFP for me, because it has everything The Avengers had and a lot more on top of that.

I think of all the directors at Marvel Whedon was given nearly a blank canvas to work on. If he was handcuffed in anyway it wouldn't have been from the studio, it would have been about justifying getting those characters together on screen. If you look at it on paper there's nothing about those 4 solo movies that's actually easy to bring together cohesively, there's no underlying story linking each one together, no shared themes, no real foundation at all, Whedon himself said it was hard to bring the characters together. The thing about Avengers in retrospect is Whedon really only had one card to play and that was treat the movie as its own thing, which he did perfectly. I do agree with one thing though, I do feel the MCU movies are emotionally lacking, and that's where X-men wins out IMO.

 

[SuperT]

and in DOFP Singer really got to cut loose

This is the only thing that's frustrating about Days of Future Past. If this is what Singer can produce with a substantial budget, enough production time and a studio that stood by the property and his vision - can you imagine what he could have done with X1 & X2?

 

[Heretic]

Avengers, as far as I'm concerned, is the best popcorn thrill-ride type movie ever made.

Days of Future Past is a very good movie that made one HUGE error...they included a 5 minute scene in the future that all X-Men movies that follow must adhere to (since they will take place in the past, and therefore can't contradict what happens in the future). If they don't adhere to it, then they are back in continuity hell like before. That scene was an egregious error that not only hurts this film, but every X-Men film that will follow.

Therefore, Avengers wins by a mile when it should only barely squeak out a victory.

 

[Lord]

I disagree, it could be the best thrill ride popcorn film ever made if Joss Whedon's Directing style wasn't so bland, the man certainly knows how to make dialogue and characters, but most everything else can be done better by in least half of the mainstream film Directors around

 

[Heretic]

Maybe so...but the general audience isn't picking apart camera angles and such. The mark of a popcorn film is not how great of a work of art it is, its how entertained by the spectacle was the crowd...and Avengers was the first time I saw MULTIPLE cases of the crowd getting to their feet in applause in the middle of a movie.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

I still don't understand how the word "epic" can be used to describe DOFP.

I suppose huge cast of characters, time-travel and future dystopia with lots of superhero action and power display

The Avengers was an exciting film, which masked a very ordinary plot with the awesome factor of seeing all of these characters on screen, together at once, culminating in the end sequence.

DOFP is up there with The Dark Knight trilogy, in terms of storytelling. Absolutely brilliant. It's not close.

Exactly how I see it, I think Avengers 2 has it's work cut out for it as it doesn't have that novelty.

 

[Lord]

Maybe so...but the general audience isn't picking apart camera angles and such. The mark of a popcorn film is not how great of a work of art it is, its how entertained by the spectacle was the crowd...and Avengers was the first time I saw MULTIPLE cases of the crowd getting to their feet in applause in the middle of a movie.

I usually pick the films apart after i see them, not when i'm watching them, i was honestly more entertained by Michael Bay's Directing in Transformers 3, in least it didn't look like it was shot for tv. And both Titanic and Avatar have left a better impression on the public.

 

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

I've seen Days 5 times now and it never gets old. The emotional depth is second to none.

I've seen the Avengers well over 30 and the wit + character dynamics still make me SMILE. I'll say this, I've never had a cinematic experience like I had with the Avengers in terms of audience reaction. People were eating it up in healthy doses and the walls were shaking. DoFP had it's audience moments, but it wasn't even close overall.

If DoFP is #1, then Avengers is 1a...It's close for me. I expect AoU to be a step ahead yet again though....

 

[Figs]

The only other African-American characters outside of Fury are also in supporting/side-kick roles. Also, the one time they do hire an African-American actress, she's being painted green.

That's diversity right there. She's not white, same with Drax. Unless you have a problem with green skin...