The Avengers vs X-Men: Days of Future Past

[DA_Champion]

Did you see X-Men? Magneto created a machine that could turn humans into mutants. It didn't appear to utilize any software either, it was all mechanical. In X2 Magneto realigned the Dark Cerebro to target humans by shifting the machine's large metal plates.

Those films take place 25 years in the future.

In the comics Magneto definitely has genius level competence in engineering and physics.

We're not discussing the comics.

Besides I'm pretty sure that Trask demonstrated that one of the primary components that the Sentinels used to logically distinguish human from mutant could be turned on and off manually.

That doesn't make any sense. It's also not supported by the script, the Sentinel was attacking beast and obeying Magneto. The movie is clear: Magneto changed the internal software of the Sentinels by wrapping them in railroad tracks.

I guess since most of the audience doesn't even know how to code "Hello, World !" this works.

 

[israeldorneles]

Which Crossover flick did you like more?

Days of Future Past, hands down. More complex.

 

[GREEN =w= DAY]

Days of Future Past

 

[jmc]

I'm actually surprised the voting is as close as it is.

 

[DA_Champion]

I'm actually surprised the voting is as close as it is.

Yup, I expect new movies to usually dominate.

 

[Tony Stark]

Maybe so, but anyway, DOFP is more diverse than the Avengers.

Not really. I'd say Black Widow was more fully explored than Mystique was. That was one of the biggest disappointments for me of this film. Her and Magneto.

DOFP is based around the relationship between Wolverine and Xavier, with Hank McCoy playing side kick. Quicksilver was a far more interesting character than Mystique was in this film IMO.

 

[DA_Champion]

I'd say Black Widow was more fully explored than Mystique was.

Agreed.

Quicksilver was a far more interesting character than Mystique was in this film IMO.

Quicksilver was fun, not sure how he was interesting.

 

[LordMortis315]

Hmm. Both are the high points of their respective franchises, but I'm giving the edge to The Avengers.

 

[jmc]

Yup, I expect new movies to usually dominate.

I don't think it's that, TDK still wins just about every poll it's placed in. I'm actually surprised because even though Avengers is enjoyed by everyone it still seems its missing something for a lot of people.

 

[The Endless]

The thing with Mags and the Sentinels. Does he really hot wire them? Or is he just controlling them via the steel inside them?

Just because he says one line "Do what you were meant to do" doesn't mean he has completely over written them and the guidance chip (or whatever it is) inside them. He could just be saying that for dramatic effect.

 

[DA_Champion]

The thing with Mags and the Sentinels. Does he really hot wire them? Or is he just controlling them via the steel inside them?

Just because he says one line "Do what you were meant to do" doesn't mean he has completely over written them and the guidance chip (or whatever it is) inside them. He could just be saying that for dramatic effect.

It looks like he's reprogrammed them, because at one point the programming fails and it ives to attack Magneto.

 

[DrCosmic]

Yeah, the Sentinels were definitely still evaluating threats and acting accordingly. Beast avoided one by turning human. Even though when he was actually taking them over, it had the metal move the arms to show you he'd taken them mechanically, it ended with the eyes lighting up, to show he'd taken them over electronically somehow. Unless he was just flicking the 'eye lights switch' on and off or something.

Yeah... that's so sketchy. It's not really possible, not when you talk about changing the commander from Stryker to Mags and removing Mags from the target list. You can't do that from the circuitboard, which isn't even using metal anyway (so what is it using? space age polymers aren't conductors, are they?).

It's a lot.

 

[psylockolussus]

X-Men: Days of Future Past hands down! Best superhero movie ever!

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

The thing to remember is that the two films have different objectives, about the only thing they have in common is the team element. The Avengers really isn't about anything in particular, it's just a celebration of the superhero, X-Men (DoFP and earlier films) have always had a stronger underlying message to say and the more interesting characters. X-Men has also felt a lot more grounded, it's not really a superhero world as the MCU is, it's very much tried to paint itself with a slight real world brush. In the end though whether you prefer one over the other doesn't matter, what's important is the X-Men has now solidified itself as a franchise that will keep both WB and Marvel in check.

Also depends on the viewers mood. Sometime you want a fun action comedy to chill out and feast your eyes on and sometimes you want one with more heart and emotion and story.

Both succeed at what they set out to be.

I'm actually surprised the voting is as close as it is.

Me too. I didn't think X-Men would get the level of votes it has, usually avengers vs anything has Avengers winning by a huge margin, new movie or not. DOFP seems to be an instant classic.

Interesting. I feel that. I do have a problem with Storm and Bishop getting killed first in that final scene, especially as this the second time in a row the black guy dies first because his power gets overridden. Bugger that. I would have been more swayed if there had been a mutant of color in the 70s timeline, or perhaps any reference at all to the extremely topical and extremely present civil rights movement.

But it was nice to see some women and POCs with some real powers. That was cool, I can't argue with that.

Bishop and Storm were the first line of defense so it made sense for them to be the first to go, somewhat, but yeah that's not sending a good message.

There was a small nod to the civil rights movement when Mystique turned into a black woman after being wounded and identified by the public.

The 70s crew didn't have much diversity on the team which was a shame but the future team having so much and the 70s villain being a minority cancelled that out I think. At the end of the day DOFP is the most diverse CBM of them all.

 

[Duran Man]

The Avengers.

 

[Tehmeh]

DOFP. Naturally both are very good, but DOFP had less "things I don't care about" in it and the little more dramatic nature worked so well. Cinematography was excellent too.

Not that I want every movie to be forcibly dark or serious, I can enjoy lighter, more adventurous movies easily. IM3 easily kicks MOS's ass.

 

[Ms. Marvel]

Me too. I didn't think X-Men would get the level of votes it has, usually avengers vs anything has Avengers winning by a huge margin, new movie or not. DOFP seems to be an instant classic.

Not really Batman 89 won against TA in the Batboards and TWS won against TA in the Capboards.

 

[DrCosmic]

Bishop and Storm were the first line of defense so it made sense for them to be the first to go, somewhat, but yeah that's not sending a good message.

There was a small nod to the civil rights movement when Mystique turned into a black woman after being wounded and identified by the public.

The 70s crew didn't have much diversity on the team which was a shame but the future team having so much and the 70s villain being a minority cancelled that out I think. At the end of the day DOFP is the most diverse CBM of them all.

Bishop and Storm being the first line of defense isn't a given. It was a decision that was made knowing they would die first. The filmmakers were more interested in seeing Blink, Colossus (I understand those), Warpath and Sunspot (I don't understand those) fight. And I don't see how turning into a black woman is a nod to the civil rights movement. It could be taken as a nod to 70s sort of blaxploitation era because of how she was dressed, which would be more topical in 1975 anyway. And medical conditions are not racial minorities, though it is nice to see Tyrion continuing to be free of the typical typecasting little people deal with.

 

[Rock Sexton]

Avengers and it's not even close. While it may not have had the emotional depth of DOFP, it had more wit. Couldn't have picked a better man than Joss to handle all the banter between the heroes. Can't forget it was also a better showcase of superheroes superhero'ing. I walked out of that movie feeling like I had just been a part of a huge event.

DOFP had some great emotional beats, but too often it felt like forced retcon as opposed to putting together a truly unique X-Men take. I pray they finally move away from the war on mutants angle. It's been beaten to death.

 

[DA_Champion]

Bishop and Storm being the first line of defense isn't a given. It was a decision that was made knowing they would die first. The filmmakers were more interested in seeing Blink, Colossus (I understand those), Warpath and Sunspot (I don't understand those) fight. And I don't see how turning into a black woman is a nod to the civil rights movement. It could be taken as a nod to 70s sort of blaxploitation era because of how she was dressed, which would be more topical in 1975 anyway. And medical conditions are not racial minorities, though it is nice to see Tyrion continuing to be free of the typical typecasting little people deal with.

I had not even noticed that the two Black X-Men were the first to die -- typical.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Avengers has some great comic book moments and one of the biggest action scenes ever filmed.

But where Avengers has bits and pieces of greatness DOFP is a non-stop ride of white-knuckle suspense, heart wrenching tragedy, layered subtext and fully realized character arcs.

If this was a competition of visual sprints, Avengers would win handily. But measuring these films as a whole DOFP has enough gas in the tank to win the marathon.

Avengers = 8.9

DOFP = 9.3

DOFP has the emotional intensity of Stark's suicide mission stretched over 2 hours and it works.

It's my favorite CBM of the last 15 years.

 

[T"Challa]

I had not even noticed that the two Black X-Men were the first to die -- typical.

Not to mention the absolutely ludicrous treatment of Darwin in X-Men First Class. I love that movie but there aren't many scenes in CBM's that i hate more than that death scene.

 

[BMM]

I had not even noticed that the two Black X-Men were the first to die -- typical.

Yes, after Colossus, Sunspot, Iceman, Blink, and Warpath die. That is, until the black X-Man helps save their butts like Wolverine does for Storm and Bishop later.

 

[samwise]

Days of future past was CRAP

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

"Crap" is pretty harsh. Its a good movie with great actors, an interesting plot and a solid attempt at fixing the franchise. It's A-OK in my book.

It's not quite as good as The Avengers though.