Arrow The Barry Allen/The Flash Thread - Part 1

[king666]

Not better, that's why they're not as popular, Lex Luthor alone is a better villain than all of them. Besides, some of them are just ridiculous, Captain Cold, Captain Boomerang... only Captain Hot and Captain Frisbee are missing!!

Then we have Gorilla Grodd, just for budget reasons I don't think they would use him, and since the producers said they want to keep it "grounded", that's another no.

So get ready for quite a few changes, including the suit, he's not going to wear cheesy spandex, he needs protection just in case, he's not Superman who doesn't need any. I already see the usual hate from some fans who are too rigid to accept any change.

AGAIN: That's the whole point. They're ridiculous. Self-aware ridiculous villains.

 

[Mikelus]

AGAIN: That's the whole point. They're ridiculous. Self-aware ridiculous villains.

And again, why do you think Arrow is such a success? Because they keep it grounded, serious... save the cheesy stuff for the comics and cartoons, it works better there anyway.

 

[Nathan]

That's what they will probably do, and change some of the cheesy names, Captain Cold is just dumb, just call him Cold, Capt. Boomerang... just forget about him, he's just lame. Is not going to be that easy to adapt some of these characters, so good luck to them.

Agreed on Cold. What exactly makes him a Captain? It's just odd to choose that as a villain name. And again agreed on Boomerang. Of all his villains, he's just the most ridiculous. Flash outruns gun fire. What the hell is a guy with a boomerang going to do?

AGAIN: That's the whole point. They're ridiculous. Self-aware ridiculous villains.

Well, they already said they would put the villains through their classic grounding lense. So I wouldn't count on them being as ridiculous and self-aware as they are in the comics.

 

[cleverusername8]

Top, Trickster, Mirror Master, Captain Cold, Golden Glider even could work if reworked to fit into the Arrowverse (like Count Vertigo). I think even Boomer could find a place if given a solid backstory, motive, and look.

Grodd isn't happening. There is no way on heaven or Earth that they'll put that in the Arrowverse - on TV no less. It's a shame since he's one of Flash's more formidable villains, but I think it might be for the best.

The original villains from the old TV show like the motorcycle gang, the "ghost" guy, the Blue Mist drug dealer, etc. were cool. I'd like to see some originals like them worked into the universe.

And of course - Professor Zoom. I'd rather not have him be the "secretive man behind the curtain" like Thanos in Avengers or Darkseid was in Young Justice. When he shows up, I want him to be as subtle as a freight train. His appearance should be grand and chill inducing. If done correctly, it could be the highlight of superhero shows on TV. Or maybe I'm just dreaming.

In any case, I'm mostly concerned with first things first: how the costume looks.

 

[king666]

Guy dressed in a ridiculous blue/white costume robs a bank. He goes by the name of Captain Cold.
Sounds ridiculous.
He also has the ability to slow down the molecules around him (New 52 version). He froze half the place.

 

[C. Lee]

Agreed on Cold. What exactly makes him a Captain? It's just odd to choose that as a villain name.

I need to rewatch it, but in the 80's FLASH TV show, Captain Cold was a hitman who I think said made up the name just for the noteriety.

 

[Mikelus]

Guy dressed in a ridiculous blue/white costume robs a bank. He goes by the name of Captain Cold.
Sounds ridiculous.
He also has the ability to slow down the molecules around him (New 52 version). He froze half the place.

Guy dressed in a dark blue costume robs several banks, people call him Cold because of his powers. See? Much better!

 

[king666]

Guy dressed in a dark blue costume robs several banks, people call him Cold because of his powers. See? Much better!

Seriously? Sounds generic as ****, imo. We've seen that a thousand times.

The Flash and Green Arrow are completely different characters. Sounds like you want to watch Arrow with The Flash instead of Ollie.

 

[Lunar_Wolf]

Give me The Rouges!

 

[HighFivingMF]

Guy dressed in a dark blue costume robs several banks, people call him Cold because of his powers. See? Much better!

I think you need to look up the definition of the words "better," "dumb," and "lame." You haven't used any of them correctly.

 

[Nathan]

Seriously? Sounds generic as ****, imo. We've seen that a thousand times.

The Flash and Green Arrow are completely different characters. Sounds like you want to watch Arrow with The Flash instead of Ollie.

Eh, it would just be a name change for one villain. I have no issue with all the other names clever listed. And if they do bring Boomerang in, I really don't think we need two Captains.

 

[Kevin Smith]

The last time I complained about bad CGI I ended up finding out it wasn't CGI, so I've learned to generally stop complaining.

Same here, lol. It's kind of awesome, isn't it?

 

[Kevin Smith]

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No armor and the ear piece is on his actual ear, not the upper side of his head a la Captain America like it is in the pic here.

 

[DaveMoral]

Top, Trickster, Mirror Master, Captain Cold, Golden Glider even could work if reworked to fit into the Arrowverse (like Count Vertigo). I think even Boomer could find a place if given a solid backstory, motive, and look.

Grodd isn't happening. There is no way on heaven or Earth that they'll put that in the Arrowverse - on TV no less. It's a shame since he's one of Flash's more formidable villains, but I think it might be for the best.

The original villains from the old TV show like the motorcycle gang, the "ghost" guy, the Blue Mist drug dealer, etc. were cool. I'd like to see some originals like them worked into the universe.

And of course - Professor Zoom. I'd rather not have him be the "secretive man behind the curtain" like Thanos in Avengers or Darkseid was in Young Justice. When he shows up, I want him to be as subtle as a freight train. His appearance should be grand and chill inducing. If done correctly, it could be the highlight of superhero shows on TV. Or maybe I'm just dreaming.

In any case, I'm mostly concerned with first things first: how the costume looks.

It seemed to me that they teased Professor Zoom with Barry's intro to the show and his story about his mother's real killer. Wasn't that Zoom in comics?

 

[godisawesome]

To me, the Flash Rogues can still be self-aware and grounded provided you play up the "thieves guild" interpretation of the group. They're going to have to give Barry a "better class of criminal" to deals other thanks to his powers, so a union of former thugs who all have distinct weapons and plan synchronous robberies where they attempt to keep intentional casualties to a minimum and use Mirror Master's powers to immediately escape any jail cell would actually make good storytelling sense.

And let's be honest: Captain Cold is basically just your regular stick-up artist, albeit a badass one with a weapon that requires zero reloads. Maybe he literally comes up with the name while a little drunk and after actually making it scary decides to keep it. The hardest part about the Rogues would be explaining their powers. Maybe some kind of Intergang/Apokilips group, or Abra Kadabra as the villain from the future provides their tech. But they should still be at least somewhat aware that they're playing dress up against a nerd. But if it works, it works.

About the only badguy who should be played dead straight should be Reverse Flash, since he's basically a one man trauma causing unit with all the morality of Sauron and none of the subtlety.

 

[Sub-Zero]

am i the only one who thinks they should rework the whole iris's dad is a cop angle? wouldn't it be cooler if they did something different than arrow?

make her dad a scientist, and barry's mentor/father figure while his dad is in jail...who helps him build the suit and keeps his secret from his daughter a cub reporter/barry's best friend/barry's future love interest, who's trying to get the exposé on the "red ghost" that's protecting central city and make a name for herself.

 

[Sub-Zero]

oh ya, and john wesley shipp has to be barry's dad or jay garrick.

 

[Mikelus]

Seriously? Sounds generic as ****, imo. We've seen that a thousand times.

The Flash and Green Arrow are completely different characters. Sounds like you want to watch Arrow with The Flash instead of Ollie.

Captain is pretty generic too, a ton of fictional characters use it, but at least it makes sense for some of them. The producers are smart enough to avoid what doesn't work in the comics, they know what most people want to see, like it or not, a Flash show compatible with Arrow.

 

[Sub-Zero]

I need to rewatch it, but in the 80's FLASH TV show, Captain Cold was a hitman who I think said made up the name just for the noteriety.

90s. he was a hitman, an albino one to boot, and he had a nuclear powered freeze gun. i saw the show in syndication in the mid 90s. it was really ahead of its time. and a little too dark for the flash.

 

[Nathan]

I just hope they do a way better job with the outfits. I looked up some clips on youtube, and I think Captain Cold and Mirror Master essentially wore the same outfits. Big, black, coats.

 

[Sub-Zero]

costumes. flash has such a ridiculous color scheme, and his rogues follow suit. if they can keep him in the classic red suit, then give the villains their costumes. maybe make them cooler, but they're not supposed to be, right?

 

[king666]

IGN: What We Want From The Flash TV Series

We'd rather see the show embrace this more outlandish side of the DCU. The show can maintain just enough of a grounded tone that it doesn't feel completely alien alongside Arrow, but allow for greater displays of superhuman power and the sorts of characters that would never fit into Ollie's world. Something more along the lines of Man of Steel, perhaps. After all, what's the point of doing a spinoff if you're just going to regurgitate the same conflicts, characters, and tropes?

Gotta agree with this.

 

[Nathan]

costumes. flash has such a ridiculous color scheme, and his rogues follow suit. if they can keep him in the classic red suit, then give the villains their costumes. maybe make them cooler, but they're not supposed to be, right?

I wouldn't make them look purposely lame. I'd definitely update them, but still try to keep them in spirit with the comics.

Mirror Master, I'd probably dress similar to Ghost. Only without that gas mask. And keeping the orange and green color scheme.

The suit's material could probably be something like this. Or maybe everyone could be running around in that micro fabric Barry mentioned.

 

[Sawyer]

IGN: What We Want From The Flash TV Series



Gotta agree with this.

I don't think anyone would disagree. I think the whole purpose of introducing superpowers, especially in regard to Barry, is to show that this is a whole different ballgame than the usually non-powered Arrow stuff.

 

[Nathan]

Yeah, some of us just don't want to get the uber cheesy parts. Everyone wants powers and costumes. So far the only thing some people don't want to see on here, is the 'Captain' in Captain Cold, and a guy that chucks Boomerangs. That's still leaves over 90% of Flash's rogues gallery no one complains about.