Arrow The Barry Allen/The Flash Thread - Part 2

[Kevin Smith]

Me personally, I don't see there being room for another "ultra young" Flash on the show.

 

[Herolee10]

20 bucks says that one of the opening sequences for the pilot features Barry, while still in a coma, having a flash back to the moment his mother died and waking up at the end of it.

 

[greenlantern248]

I can't think of a good example where I've seen an iconic comic book hero's costumed adapted well on a TV Budget.

The old Flash tv series. That costume looked great on a tv budget. I think so.

 

[Bathead]

The old Flash tv series. That costume looked great on a tv budget. I think so.

Yup. Even the SPFX weren't too bad. Better that I thought they would before I watched the show.

 

[Boy Scout]

20 bucks says that one of the opening sequences for the pilot features Barry, while still in a coma, having a flash back to the moment his mother died and waking up at the end of it.

I'm interested in seeing the "tornado".

 

[Loki882]

The old Flash tv series. That costume looked great on a tv budget. I think so.

Smallville also did a pretty good job on Doctor Fate, Sandman, and Zatanna's costumes.

 

[Rorschach2012]

Smallville also did a pretty good job on Doctor Fate, Sandman, and Zatanna's costumes.

Dr Fate looked a little weird.. but I was glad to see how faithfully his costume as adapted. Zatanna and Sandman looked pretty awesome though. Smallville was 10 years after The Flash show, and Flash's costume was still miles above any costumes used on Smallville. What happened?

 

[Nathan]

Eh, Sandman and Zatanna don't really count. They don't exactly have superhero outfits. Sandman had a Trenchcoat and gasmask, and Zatanna fishnets and a tuxedo jacket. As for Fate, he was ok, but could have been way better. A bit too latex/rubbery for my tastes.

 

[Sawyer]

Dr Fate looked a little weird.. but I was glad to see how faithfully his costume as adapted. Zatanna and Sandman looked pretty awesome though. Smallville was 10 years after The Flash show, and Flash's costume was still miles above any costumes used on Smallville. What happened?

The fact that Flash had his from day 1 of his show, and Smallville didn't start doing costumes until, like, season 6. One probably had a considerable budgetary advantage over the other.

 

[Boy Scout]

Smallville also did a pretty good job on Doctor Fate, Sandman, and Zatanna's costumes.

Sandman and Zatanna don't count. Their "costumes" are normal attire. Doctor Fate, on the other hand, looked pretty bad.

The only one they really got right was Green Arrow.

 

[Nathan]

I hope we'll eventually get to see Doctor Fate on TV again. And next time he should look more like this. Which is completely doable on a Japanese's Cosplayer budget. So there's no excuse for them not to be able to do it on TV.

 

[Loki882]

Yes, Sandman and Zatanna do count. They were wearing their superhero attire. The fact that their superhero and normal attire are the same is irrelevant.

 

[Boy Scout]

The concern is about whether or not you can make the Flash's costume look good on a TV budget. That concern exists because the Flash does not wear an outfit that you or I could go out and buy or create ourselves without it looking cheap. That concern does not exist for Zatanna or Sandman because they are dressed in normal clothing. Therefore, they do not count, because you cannot compare their costumes to the Flash's.

 

[Charlie Boy]

They've cast Killer Frost, and supposedly Eobard Thawne. If that Tomorrow People show gets cancelled, like it most likely will, they could cast the girl who plays Astrid on that show as Iris. Dark enough to be considered black, light enough not to scare any regular CW viewer.

 

[Sawyer]

I'm kind of curious about what kind of crossovers we might see if/(more likely) when this thing goes to series. Obviously, it'd be awesome to see Barry back on Arrow for a guest appearance or two, and vice versa with Oliver on The Flash, but it'd be really cool to see some of the the supporting/guest characters go back and forth to really sell the idea that these two shows make up a shared universe. Amanda Waller is a big one that would be cool to see on The Flash. Deadshot, maybe...

 

[Kevin Smith]

The old Flash tv series. That costume looked great on a tv budget. I think so.

Yup. Even the SPFX weren't too bad. Better that I thought they would before I watched the show.

I agree.

 

[cleverusername8]

Damn, maybe this is going to be a 2 hour pilot?

I'm hoping that it's at least as long as the 1990's pilot was. That felt like a movie and I'm hoping that they're going to give this one a movieish feel as well.

So, assuming Wally is introduced at some point... How old would people want him to be? Gustin's pretty young, and I can't see them making Wally older than him...

I'd say 13 at the youngest and 15 at the oldest. Any closer in age and it might throw off the whole sidekick feel... he'd be more of a contemporary if he's too close to Barry's age.

Though personally, I hope that they hold off on Wally until at least halfway through the first season. Maybe give him his powers at the end of the first season. This show should focus on Barry's solo career for a while so we get a feel for his development into the hero that he is. Having a ton of Kid Flash stuff in the mix will bog down that process. Think of how long it took for Roy to progress in Arrow. It should be like that for Wally.

 

[chamber-music]

Be cool to see the likes of Captain Cold, Mirror Master, ect on TV.

It will be amusing to see them try and pull off Gorilla Grodd.

 

[greenlantern248]

Be cool to see the likes of Captain Cold, Mirror Master, ect on TV.

I be amused to try and see them pull off Gorilla Grodd.

Yeah that would be pretty interesting to see them try Grodd.

I'm hoping with the Rouges that we see them in solo episodes then a few them together here and there. Have Thawne put together his own Suicide Squad made up of the Rouges.
I would still like to see Waller crossover and bring the actual Suicide Squad into Flash

 

[Lord Valumart]

So presumably at this point Gustin has tried on the Flash outfit and it's being adjusted to properly fit him? Can we assume that if he's to shoot for most of March then we should get costume pictures in the next 3 weeks?

 

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

So presumably at this point Gustin has tried on the Flash outfit and it's being adjusted to properly fit him? Can we assume that if he's to shoot for most of March then we should get costume pictures in the next 3 weeks?

It might be a little longer. Arrow's pilot started shooting March 10, 2012 and the first official image of the costume was released on March 19.

 

[protocida]

Greg Berlanti and Marc Guggenheim's The Flash script from 2011. They've already used some concepts of it in Arrow, and there are things I could see them using on the show.

Spoiler

We open with voice-over from Barry Allen, narrating and introducing his speedy abilities over a sequence of him zooming around town stopping generic problems like a girder falling and a mugging. Flashback to two weeks earlier, the ever-late Barry is a CSI police detective in Central City, which neighbors Keystone. Barry is infamous for taking on open cases, aiming to help victims find justice, very similar to the characterization seen in Arrow. Barry is called to a crime scene on the river, where a Jane Doe has washed ashore with no signs as to how she died. Later, Barry meets up with Iris West, his childhood friend and unrequited crush, who has lost her job as a newspaper reporter. She invites Barry to dinner, but he declines.

That evening while examining the dead body, Barry flashes back to his childhood, when his mother pushes a Jay Garrick comic over the textbook he’s reading, telling him, “sometimes you have to step away from a problem to see it more clearly.” She takes him for ice cream, where they see in the distance the legendary scientist Dr. Eobard Thawne’s tower and talk about his building a particle accelerator. Back in present day, Barry theorizes the victim could’ve been exposed to extremely cold temperatures, but when he approaches Police Chief Chyre requesting a mass spectrometer to confirm it, Chyre tells him to “get some sleep” and “get laid.”

But Barry is driven to avenge his victim, and ends up sneaking into S.T.A.R. Labs with a school tour to find the spectrometer. He’s caught by an employee, Valerie, who kicks him out, but feels bad doing so. Barry returns home to find he’s forgotten Iris was having a party, and runs over to her apartment to find its an engagement party – she’s marrying a banker named Nathan Newbury. A ten-year-old Wally West cameos briefly before being sent to bed. Barry starts to leave before Iris catches up to him. Barry congratulates her but leaves full of regret; Iris heads back inside with a brief look of disappointment.

Returning to his place, Barry finds Valerie has sent him the data he needed on the victim, but when a rainstorm blows the window open, a bolt of lightning cracks through it and sends Barry flying across the room. Mid-blast, Barry again flashes back to his childhood, he and Iris playfully flirting as children, his father losing his job, and opening his front door to find his mother murdered and his father blamed for it, before being sent to live with Iris’ family. In the present, Barry is rushed to a hospital, where he wakes up to find he’s seeing things in alternating slow and sped-up time. Thawne pays a visit to the hospital to take Barry into the care of his scientists at S.T.A.R. Labs.

Valerie and a group of other scientists begin to test Barry’s abilities, collecting data on the speed Barry travels and the calories he expends. Barry outruns a dragster, clears a canyon, heals two compound fractures in hours, and even stops a nearby tornado by running against its spin. He even finds time to send Chyre the info on the victim, forcing Chyre to publicly announce there is a serial killer on the loose who is freezing his victims to death. We later learn this killer is Leonard Snart, or “Cold”, as he’s dubbed by the press. Cold kidnaps Chyre and kills him on live TV before threatening to destroy a major Central City landmark in five days. Barry resolves to help out with the crisis, but not before Thawne promises to use his developing particle accelerator to help Barry reach an alternate universe where the people he’s loved and lost may still be alive.

Iris, now an independent blogger, discusses the pattern to the Cold killings with Barry. We learn that it is the train station Cold is targeting, and when Barry shows up to stop him, Cold sabotages a train full of people to ensure his escape. Barry is forced to pull each individual passenger off the train one by one. But in examining the security cam footage in the tunnel, Iris thinks she sees a man’s foot within the tornado pulling people off the train. At dinner with Nathan, Barry mocks her theory, further tensing their relationship.

Iris takes to her blog to talk about the “guardian angel” that saved the people at the station, whilst Valerie and the gang at S.T.A.R. fashion Barry with a familiar red costume, unbeknownst to Thawne. The team hits the bar afterwards, and when Iris and Nathan see Barry out with Valerie, she becomes jealous. That night, Barry and Valerie have sex. The following morning, Barry and Iris again discuss Cold, determining that he isn’t a serial killer, but a hitman working for someone. Barry gets a call and learns Cold’s next target is Nathan, who is soon frozen and near death. When Flash shows up to rescue Nathan, Cold attacks Iris, but Flash bests him, confirming to Iris he’s real. Snart is taken into custody, and Flash leaves Nathan with paramedics and provides a handwritten set of instructions on how to treat him.

Iris goes to Barry’s house and says she recognized his handwriting on the note, revealing him to be the guardian angel she’s been writing about. They share an intimate moment, but Barry steps back and tells her she should be with Nathan. Barry goes to interrogate Cold, who cryptically announces, “he’s come for me,” before Barry is punched at superspeed by an unknown black-suited speedster. The two fight, and Barry learns this speedster is the one responsible for killing his mother and framing his father. But the villain beats him, leaving Barry alive with the mandate for him to “stop running.”

Later, Nathan admits to Iris he laundered money for what were later Cold’s victims, and all the money traces back to S.T.A.R. Labs. Iris is disgusted. Valerie learns the particle accelerator has a secret function – to steal away Barry’s speed. Hearing this from her, Thawne is revealed to be the dark speedster, and stands up out of his wheelchair and kills her. Learning this, and fearing Thawne will kill Iris if he runs again, Barry wants to stop being Flash. But once all the criminals he put away in Iron Heights prison, including Cold, are released, and bombs have been planted all over the city, Barry becomes Flash once more, defusing the bombs and stopping the criminals. Cold kidnaps Iris, while Thawne explains to Barry that they were mortal enemies in another reality, so he used his accelerator to travel to a new one and slowly destroy Barry’s life, then steal his speed. Cold attempts to shoot Iris with a cold needle, but Flash backhands it into Cold’s chest, and Cold dies feeling “warm.”

Meanwhile, the particle accelerator begins creating a black hole and sucking everything into it, fulfilling Thawne’s plan to destroy this universe and travel to a new one. Flash stops it in the same way he stopped the tornado – running counter to the flow, all while pushing Thawne back into the Speed Force. Barry is briefly united with his aged mother and father in the Speed Force before Iris revives him. With the crisis averted, Iris waxes poetic about Flash’s heroism while Barry monologues in voice-over while running through the city.

Finally, in a post-credits sequence, Flash skids to a halt after seeing something in his path. It’s Green Lantern, who tells him, “Lightspeed. Not bad.”

 

[Lord Valumart]

I like that ending.

 

[Sawyer]

It might be a little longer. Arrow's pilot started shooting March 10, 2012 and the first official image of the costume was released on March 19.

Yeah, I'd be surprised if we see anything official before March.

It's not too bad, really. Considering we won't get a pick-up until May and won't see a premiere until October...

 

[Orb]

So presumably at this point Gustin has tried on the Flash outfit and it's being adjusted to properly fit him? Can we assume that if he's to shoot for most of March then we should get costume pictures in the next 3 weeks?

Yep he has tried on the costume.