Arrow The Barry Allen/The Flash Thread - Part 2

[Kevin Smith]

I remember that same argument being used for Arrow, for several of the aspects that are now highly praised.

By who? People who missed Nolan's Batman trilogy?

So, at least wait until you actually watch an episode before declaring "It's different, so it sucks".

It's only bad different that I have a problem with, as the above Barry/Iris interaction illustrates...

 

[Rorschach2012]

How is Wally West related to Iris? I know he's her nephew, but specifically, how are they related?

 

[Boy Scout]

Right now, I would prefer Iris and Barry's relationship to be mostly platonic. Let them date around for a few seasons before settling down.

EDIT:

How is Wally West related to Iris? I know he's her nephew, but specifically, how are they related?

I think Wally's father is Iris' brother.

 

[Rorschach2012]

Right now, I would prefer Iris and Barry's relationship to be mostly platonic. Let them date around for a few seasons before settling down.
Yeah that's exactly what I want too. I want to see how far Barry's thing with Felicity goes.

EDIT:

I think Wally's father is Iris' brother.

Thanks!

 

[Rorschach2012]

Wally doesn't have to be black. Iris' mother could be white, and Wally could be Iris' nephew on her mother's side.

The Iris actress Candice Patton is half white anyways, so it actually fits.

Just realized that this doesn't make sense... Ignore this... I'm tired..

 

[Human Torch]

Once again....Someone's overly defensive of Arrow and The Flash...

People SHOULD be critical of this stuff. This is beloved material being adapted here. If the fanbase blindly accepts every aspect of these comic book adaptations, the studios will stop caring about pleasing us, since we'd be so easy to please.

In my experience,fans have become way too complacent about casting these days.Every casting choice is "brilliant" if it's "out of the box".(I.E. the person has next to nothing in common with the character being portrayed)

 

[Kevin Smith]

How is Wally West related to Iris? I know he's her nephew, but specifically, how are they related?

Wally's dad is Iris' brother. Wally's parents were not that great during Waid's run...which is why he liked hanging with Barry and Iris so much supposedly.

 

[Human Torch]

I'm hoping a version of Tina Mcgee will be introduced and send Iris packing as fast as they did in the original show.

 

[Kevin Smith]

In my experience,fans have become way too complacent about casting these days.Every casting choice is "brilliant" if it's "out of the box".(I.E. the person has next to nothing in common with the character being portrayed)

 

[Kevin Smith]

I'm hoping a version of Tina Mcgee will be introduced and send Iris packing as fast as they did in the original show.

We can only hope.

Her or Patty Spivot.

 

[Boy Scout]

Thanks!

No problem.

In my experience,fans have become way too complacent about casting these days.

I don't think complacent is the right word. More like...accepting. You can probably thank Heath Ledger for that.

I'm hoping a version of Tina Mcgee will be introduced and send Iris packing as fast as they did in the original show.

Why?

 

[Silver Surfer]

In my experience,fans have become way too complacent about casting these days.Every casting choice is "brilliant" if it's "out of the box".(I.E. the person has next to nothing in common with the character being portrayed)

Agreed, MoS2/BvS is proof of this.

 

[Boy Scout]

Eh. Not really. You may think they've grown complacent, but it's more likely they've grown tired of complaining all the time.

 

[Rorschach2012]

I'm hoping a version of Tina Mcgee will be introduced and send Iris packing as fast as they did in the original show.

That reminds me... nobody seemed to have a problem with that pairing on the original show. Flash should have some sort of relationship with Iris West obviously, but I don't think it's important for them to be together early on. They should introduce multiple love interests and pair Barry up with whatever actress he has the most chemistry with. In the end, he'd end up with Iris, but I don't mind seeing him with other people for the majority of the show.

Honestly, the romance aspect of The Flash is probably the thing I'm least concerned with. I can take it or leave it. If they announced that there would be no romance on The Flash I'd be fine with it.

 

[Boy Scout]

Same. I feel the same way about Arrow.

 

[DrCosmic]

Honestly, after these out of the box castings repeatedly hit the mark dead on and reinvigorate obsolete characters, and so many of the 'fanboy choice' castings turn bland, eventually you recognize that out of the box casting is superior, as long as the spirit of the character is intact.

But some people haven't learned that lesson. The still think changes to surface details are bad different, while watching the MCU and new Bond films happily. -shrug-

The show will be different from the comics like Arrow. Fans will gripe like with Arrow. The show will be good, like with Arrow and it will win not only fans but a new audience as well who would never get into the comics if translated directly. Good times.

 

[Capt. Marvelous]

Uhhh look at Arrow. Arrow has made multiple changes that fans have called for. That doesn't mean they for sure make changes based on fan complaints, but it could be considered evidence towards that.

CW is run by WB so it still pretty much is a studio thing. DC comics characters are a big deal,especially right now, i'm sure WB is keeping a close eye on Arrow

You shouldn't put money on that. The film studio is completely cut off creatively from what The CW is doing. CW operates almost as a separate entity.

Currently, according to Variety, Flash will appear in BvS... which means WB has their own version of Barry Allen that they're invested in.

You're giving Arrow too much credit.

 

[roach]

People SHOULD be critical of this stuff. This is beloved material being adapted here. If the fanbase blindly accepts every aspect of these comic book adaptations, the studios will stop caring about pleasing us, since we'd be so easy to please.

I don't buy this. The studios will make changes regardless if we protest on Hollywood Blvd, put a petition on Change.org or threaten to kill a bunch of puppies. Change is going to happen to these properties even in the comics...there was a time when bringing Bucky back was high comic book treason.

Right now I feel comic book fans are overly critical...we complain of every little thing that isn't ripped right from the pages...and then when it does we complain that every little thing was ripped from the pages.

 

[Primal Slayer]

We should know more info in like 2-3months

 

[Rorschach2012]

I don't buy this. The studios will make changes regardless if we protest on Hollywood Blvd, put a petition on Change.org or threaten to kill a bunch of puppies. Change is going to happen to these properties even in the comics...there was a time when bringing Bucky back was high comic book treason.

Maybe... But I think that with this comic book movie renaissance going on right now, the makers of these live action superhero products are going to be trying a bit harder to please the fans. The fan community is bigger now than it ever has been, and with things like twitter, our voices can be heard more easily. Amell and the writers are pretty in touch with the fan community. I'm sure if there was a big enough fan outcry towards some aspect of the series, that they would seriously consider our opinions.

And since we're talking about The Flash, which is a spin off of Arrow, I'd say that the situation with Arrow is pretty similar to the way it is with The Flash. Basically what I'm saying is that if enough fans complain about something to do with The Flash show, I wouldn't be surprised if the creators rectify things to get in good with the fans.

Right now, there's not too many people hyped about The Flash show. The Flash isn't a huge beloved comic book character, despite how long he's been around. A second season of this show isn't even a sure thing. It's spun off from a successful show, which helps, but The Flash has already failed on television before, and his recognition factor has only changed slightly since that last series.

A first season is a pretty delicate thing. They're going to try their best to keep us happy, and being critical of the negative aspects of the show could possibly yield a change on the show. I'm sure at least one person working on Arrow is at least a little bit interested in what the die hard fans of the character think about the show. And the SHH is one of the best places to find said die hard fans. Apparently (someone back me up on this, I've definitely read this before, but don't remember who said this, I believe this information came from a mod) in the past, filmmakers working on superhero movies have been known to peruse the boards from time to time.

Right now I feel comic book fans are overly critical...we complain of every little thing that isn't ripped right from the pages...and then when it does we complain that every little thing was ripped from the pages.

Sure yeah there are people like the ones you're talking about, but the vast majority of comic book fans (at least around here anyways) are pretty level headed and logical when it comes to that. Sure there are trolls here and there that do what you're talking about, but for the most part, comic book fans around here don't really seem like that to me. Most of the time, the complaints aren't without good reason. The trolls only come out to comment the day of whatever announcement they perceive as negative. The fans that stick around to talk about it are typically a lot more reasonable.

 

[Rorschach2012]

So someone is complaining about characterization, when we've yet to actually see said characterization. Comic book fans jumping the gun and being knee-jerk pessimists, it never fails. And yes, I'm interested to see how these characters will play off each other.

actually we kinda HAVE seen the characterization. At least in a couple of scenes. A couple of scenes that pretty bluntly define the relationship between Barry and Iris.

We've seen an audition tape for Iris, and a manuscript of the same scenes. Just because we haven't seen Gustin and Patton perform the roles in costume doesn't mean we haven't seen the characterization.

Honestly though I don't mind the way they're handling it. I think it connects Barry to Iris and Detective West in a way that provides more story potential, there's more material to mine from this way as the show goes on.

 

[Rorschach2012]

You shouldn't put money on that. The film studio is completely cut off creatively from what The CW is doing. CW operates almost as a separate entity.

Currently, according to Variety, Flash will appear in BvS... which means WB has their own version of Barry Allen that they're invested in.

You're giving Arrow too much credit.

Clearly Warner Bros the film studio and the CW are completely different things. The CW belongs to Warner Bros, therefore making Arrow a WB product. A product based on a currently insanely popular concept. Live action DC comics products are more of a priority now than ever, and Warner Bros are finally starting to take their properties seriously, now that they've seen how much money can be made when fans are happy and things are done the right way. You're kidding yourself if you think that Arrow isn't something that Warner Bros is paying attention to or "keeping an eye on".

 

[JC00]

You're kidding yourself if you think that Arrow isn't something that Warner Bros is paying attention to or "keeping an eye on".

Seriously.

It's not like they used Arrow to introduce viewers to Barry Allen, while actually showing the accident that makes him The Flash and all while establishing the two shows in the same universe.

Oh wait that's exactly what happened.

I'd also expect another DC property to be added to the Arrow/Flash universe on the CW for the 2015-2016 season.

 

[Kevin Smith]

That reminds me... nobody seemed to have a problem with that pairing on the original show. Flash should have some sort of relationship with Iris West obviously, but I don't think it's important for them to be together early on. They should introduce multiple love interests and pair Barry up with whatever actress he has the most chemistry with. In the end, he'd end up with Iris, but I don't mind seeing him with other people for the majority of the show.

That's because Iris wasn't really Iris in that show, either (although more Irir admittedly than the characterizations we've been given for the new CW show recently, admittedly), she was an artist and the relationship with Tina McGee made sense and worked pretty well. They ****ed Iris up anyway so doing what they did may have been the next best thing. Tina the scientist was a far cry from black psychologist step sister Iris.... that being said I was never a fan of how they handled Iris in the old Flash tv show and would have preferred her in it as she was in the comics over Tina McGee, but The Flash tv show is still the best superhero tv show ever made to date, IMO.......which says a lot about the superhero tv shows that have been made, both good and bad...

 

[cleverusername8]

I would rather not have Tina since she had little to no relation to Barry in the comics. I know that demanding adaptations to be too close to the comics is asking a little much, but the fact that Barry and Tina didn't even know each other there kind of puts me off of that idea. If they don't want to use Iris as the primary love interest, Patty is an acceptable alternative in my opinion.