The Flash The Barry Allen/The Flash Thread - Part 3

[DrCosmic]

Does he have yellow on his boots?

I thought that was just a lightning reflection or something.

No, someone lightened it and there's definitely some very big yellow highlights in the boots.

Why mess with the emblem? That's my only problem.(Well,that and the lack of lightning around the gloves/waist)But overall,very nice.I never expected we'd get the yellow boots,but it's hardly a deal-breaker for me.

Same reason they gave it texture, and brought in the lightning bolts: modern design.

I'm becoming more and more convinced that they will connect the TV and film universes. There's really no reason not to anymore. That costume is of cinematic quality - it truly is. Trying to re-trace these steps is just doubling efforts, and it's unnecessary.

Quality isn't the main concern. Most issue is control, both from a business and continuity perspective. Does the DC Cinematic Universe have to use Arrow's Deathstroke? Their Amanda Waller? Their League of Assassins? What if they don't want Dr. Ivo to be motivated by a sick wife? What if they have better actors or a story that's not so tied to the Arrowverse? Do they have to use Flash's time travel theory? Flash's time travel effects? Are they not allowed to kill off Oliver Queen or Barry Allen, if it would help their films?

For the CW, is Flash allowed to save the world, or does the show have to come up with reasons why neither Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman and Green Lantern are aware their planet is about to get destroyed? Does the CW have to forgo using Nightwing because in the DC Cinematic Universe he's still a lil child? If the Daily Planet shows up for some news thing, do they have to pay Amy Adams and Lawrence Fishburne's hefty fees to appear, or can they simply hire a competent actress to play the role? Does the world outside Starling City really need an Arrow if there's a Batman running around saving the world?

The DC Cinematic Universe will be making 1 or 2 installments a year while Arrow and Flash are making 40 or so. The world can change a lot in 40 episodes, unless of course it can't because it's stuck not contradicting the DC Cinematic Universe. They can coexist as separate universes, like Smallville and SR did, without competing, especially if they don't have any characters in common.

 

[Rocketman]

I don't see why they wouldn't join the two universes. I've said this in another thread but I don't know why they would go through all this effort and promotion for Grant Gustin's Flash if they're just planning to supplant him with an entirely different actor and suit for a movie version. WB's got some big choices to make soon...

Yep.

Marvel's doing it with S.H.I.E.L.D (although the movies came first) - there's really no believable reason WB can't do it too.

 

[The Sage]

Costume looks really good. The red in the emblem is weird and threw me off when I first saw it.

It looks like something Barry put together with materials he can afford and with his knowledge. Maybe he took that "compressible fabric" he used to design Ollie's mask to the next level with a few other things.

 

[Rocketman]

Quality isn't the main concern. Most issue is control, both from a business and continuity perspective. Does the DC Cinematic Universe have to use Arrow's Deathstroke? Their Amanda Waller? Their League of Assassins? What if they don't want Dr. Ivo to be motivated by a sick wife? What if they have better actors or a story that's not so tied to the Arrowverse? Do they have to use Flash's time travel theory? Flash's time travel effects? Are they not allowed to kill off Oliver Queen or Barry Allen, if it would help their films?

WB is NEVER going to touch on those characters in film, lol. The films are the "big leagues". Not to mention, there's NO WAY that the DC cinematic universe will be so expansive that it spans over a dozen films and NOT have a discrepancy. We had two actresses as Rachel Dawes within two movies. We had two Rhodey Rhodes within two movies. We had two Hulks within two movies. Hell, on Arrow alone, we had two Sara Lances.

For the CW, is Flash allowed to save the world, or does the show have to come up with reasons why neither Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman and Green Lantern are aware their planet is about to get destroyed? Does the CW have to forgo using Nightwing because in the DC Cinematic Universe he's still a lil child? If the Daily Planet shows up for some news thing, do they have to pay Amy Adams and Lawrence Fishburne's hefty fees to appear, or can they simply hire a competent actress to play the role? Does the world outside Starling City really need an Arrow if there's a Batman running around saving the world?

Who cares? It's comic books. A shared universe automatically creates a problem of "Where's the rest of the team in this solo story?" Marvel has had this situation with EVERY solo film. It doesn't matter. They're all off doing their own thing.

The DC Cinematic Universe will be making 1 or 2 installments a year

Don't bet money on it.

while Arrow and Flash are making 40 or so.

So?

The world can change a lot in 40 episodes, unless of course it can't because it's stuck not contradicting the DC Cinematic Universe. They can coexist as separate universes, like Smallville and SR did, without competing, especially if they don't have any characters in common.

Smallville and The Flash are polar opposites. The Flash actually IS The Flash in this series, with a costume and everything. Smallville was about Clark before he was Superman, before he ever wore the suit. This show is actually called The Flash, is about The Flash, and has The Flash in it. It's not called Central City High School.

WB/CW is TOTALLY going for it here. We have a live-action Flash for real. They might as well use him for their FULL advantage. Don't dance around it and fix things that aren't broken. He's right there in front of you. Use him.

 

[kguillou]

WB is NEVER going to touch on those characters in film, lol. The films are the "big leagues". Not to mention, there's NO WAY that the DC cinematic universe will be so expansive that it spans over a dozen films and NOT have a discrepancy. We had two actresses as Rachel Dawes within two movies. We had two Rhodey Rhodes within two movies. We had two Hulks within two movies. Hell, on Arrow alone, we had two Sara Lances.



Who cares? It's comic books. A shared universe automatically creates a problem of "Where's the rest of the team in this solo story?" Marvel has had this situation with EVERY solo film. It doesn't matter. They're all off doing their own thing.



Don't bet money on it.



So?



Smallville and The Flash are polar opposites. The Flash actually IS The Flash in this series, with a costume and everything. Smallville was about Clark before he was Superman, before he ever wore the suit. This show is actually called The Flash, is about The Flash, and has The Flash in it. It's not called Central City High School.

WB/CW is TOTALLY going for it here. We have a live-action Flash for real. They might as well use him for their FULL advantage. Don't dance around it and fix things that aren't broken. He's right there in front of you. Use him.

This this this. Smaville and SR was a completely unique situation. Having a Flash tv show with Grant Gustin and a Flash movie with some other actor and universe would just be plain weird and quite frankly the movie would overshadow the show (assuming, you know, the movie is actually any good).

I'm very very VERY curious as to what DC's plan is here because it seems like Justice League is finally coming sooner rather than later.

 

[Rocketman]

I'm very very VERY curious as to what DC's plan is here because it seems like Justice League is finally coming sooner rather than later.

Yep. A separate film version of Flash would totally sabotage the TV show and kill it. WB isn't going to compete with itself. Not only that, but Grant Gustin is cheap. His movie salary is pennies compared to the colossal film budget. And he's just as much of an unknown as Henry Cavill used to be, as well as Gal Gadot.

From a business standpoint, it makes WAY more sense to connect the universes than to branch off and re-build things that are already right there. Ratings for the TV shows will sky-rocket. Netflix will be through the roof. People will have to catch up on two seasons of Arrow. The damn thing will pay for itself.

I'm telling you, if this is WB's plan, it's going to make a LOT of people eat crow. They have a Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Flash, and Green Arrow right under our noses. All at once. They'll go from "having no plan" to having an entire Justice League line-up prepared instantly.

 

[godisawesome]

And assuming they actually reach the movie stage.

I say keep 'em separate. I don't give two (insert randomly generated cuss word here) about there being two versions of the same character at the same time, and if the show gets to go full speed ahead without stopping or holding for anything, then they should be kept separate. TV shows will have misfires, but usually not on the same scale as a blockbuster movie, so they're kind of built with a bit more leeway. And I'd only connect them if I knew without a doubt the whole world built up was worthy of matching the one on film. Arrow's still not quite there, but it's getting close. If they misstep on something though? Just fix it int the movie version. And if the movie fails? Fix it in the show.

21st century, man. If you make it awesome, they will come. And if they're lost, they've got a cell phone that can straighten them out, and probably at least two geeks they can talk to.

 

[Orb]

DOFP Quicksilver looks even more ridiculous now. Awesome suit!

 

[dnno1]

Does he have yellow on his boots?

I thought that was just a lightning reflection or something.

The original photo looks like he has some gold in there. I think yellow takes away from the dark theme. That's why the original Flash TV series did away with the yellow boots.

 

[Boy Scout]

Although I do think having white within the emblem looks better, I don't have much of a problem with what we have. They could always change it later.

 

[Nathan]

Not bad. Not bad at all. I like the material they used for the most part. Not too fond of the leather material used for his wrists. Maybe I'm just missing the yellow lightning trim. Great Mark I costume. It'll hopefully evolve. We need the white background for the symbol, and a little bit more gold/yellow.

 

[Doctor Who]

 

[CK_ALL_DAY]

This is a great start for the costume. And just like Arrow, Barry can always upgrade it.

 

[DrCosmic]

Who cares? It's comic books.

...except it's not comic books. It's TV, and film. Which are about as different from comic books as comic books are pottery art.

The principal issue is that TV and film are live action stories developed by dozens sometimes hundreds of people for millions of viewers from an audience they have to consistently earn in order to significantly return on a very large investment. Comic books on the other hand are cartoon stories made by 1-5 people for hopefully a few thousand of readers from a mostly captive audience to maybe-maybe not recoup a modest investment. This change in audience and creators changes everything, including the standards of what makes sense and what doesn't.

But for you they're the same, and no one cares otherwise. Not even the dozens of people who bust their butt to make the minutest details of these projects as good as they can be, or the millions of intelligent people that don't read comics and can always choose something that makes sense, like the MCU, if this universe doesn't.

 

[Human Torch]

Same reason they gave it texture, and brought in the lightning bolts: modern design.


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What makes changing the white to red on an already red costume,a good or ("modern") idea?

 

[Nathan]

I hope they turned it red with the intent, to eventually evolve the suit and make it look closer to the comics. So come Season 2 or 3, we might get the white background. Just treat this like Amazing Spider-Man's first costume.

 

[DrCosmic]

What makes changing the white to red on an already red costume,a good or ("modern") idea?

The same as having red gloves or red boots on an already red costume, unifying the palette, conversation of color. There are ways to do a third color in a way that is integrated and enhancing. Adding it as a background in one place isn't it.

I will say this though, what they have now, having the third color being a brighter red than the rest of the costume isn't any better.

 

[The Guard]

The original photo looks like he has some gold in there. I think yellow takes away from the dark theme. That's why the original Flash TV series did away with the yellow boots.

Am I seeing gold gauntlets? Or are those also red?

 

[Mad Love]

What makes changing the white to red on an already red costume,a good or ("modern") idea?

I bet it's mainly a filming decision. White would stand out and be too reflective and distracting when hit by stage lights.

Some decisions are made because it's more practical to film. If he had ear wings, imagine how often they would have to fix them because they stick out.

 

[Scarecrow_King]

The suit gets a meh from me so far. A straight on picture might change my mind, but for now:

It looks like a weird mishmash of textures. And it's red overload for me, they need more yellow. Big points docked for taking the white out from the symbol, too.

His knee looks weirdly like fish gills.

 

[Mikelus]

...except it's not comic books. It's TV, and film. Which are about as different from comic books as comic books are pottery art.

The principal issue is that TV and film are live action stories developed by dozens sometimes hundreds of people for millions of viewers from an audience they have to consistently earn in order to significantly return on a very large investment. Comic books on the other hand are cartoon stories made by 1-5 people for hopefully a few thousand of readers from a mostly captive audience to maybe-maybe not recoup a modest investment. This change in audience and creators changes everything, including the standards of what makes sense and what doesn't.

But for you they're the same, and no one cares otherwise. Not even the dozens of people who bust their butt to make the minutest details of these projects as good as they can be, or the millions of intelligent people that don't read comics and can always choose something that makes sense, like the MCU, if this universe doesn't.

Speaking of common sense, although the suit looks cool, the cowl doesn't conceal his identity the way it should, the face is too exposed. The police, the government... could easily uncover his identity with today's technology, is just dumb to pretend otherwise. That's why certain aspects from the comics need to be changed, to make sense in our world. The fanboy mentality of wanting everything to be like the comics is just shallow, you don't need yellow boots to call more attention to yourself and look even sillier.

 

[Sawyer]

I love what I'm seeing of the actual costume, but the pose sucks. The way his head is positioned practically makes him look like old school Sinestro. Dat massive noggin...

 

[greenlantern248]

Rocketman and kguillou I agree with everything you two have said. I have been saying the same thing since I learned about them bringing Barry to Arrow.
The thing is like Rocketman said WB doesn't want to compete with themselves and I believe they still have the embargo in affect.
Other wise Superman Batman and Wonder Woman would be able to show up on Arrow and The Flash. However they can't cause of the up coming movie.

I believe they will connect the two in the same universe.
It makes the most sense.

 

[roach]

Speaking of common sense, although the suit looks cool, the cowl doesn't conceal his identity the way it should, the face is too exposed. The police, the government... could easily uncover his identity with today's technology, is just dumb to pretend otherwise. That's why certain aspects from the comics need to be changed, to make sense in our world. The fanboy mentality of wanting everything to be like the comics is just shallow, you don't need yellow boots to call more attention to yourself and look even sillier.

Needs more realism...in a TV show about a man that can run at light speed

 

[Shikamaru]

At the speed Flash runs and vibrates his body, it would be hard to uncover his identity anyways.