Ant-Man The best way that Marvel can fix this

[Ant-manic]

Maybe they should cancel it. No-one here seems excited for it anymore. Just in debating the break-up.

well some definately only showed up to post in this forum when the news of Wright's leaving hit. others of us have been here throughout; discussing our excitement or misgivings about the film.

 

[Krystal]

I was wondering when we would see the first set photos of costume designs, additional cast announcements and then instead they part with the director?

It's very confusing. will they keep the present script. The present release date, the present start date--if they had one.

And now just mostly folks arguing about the outgoing regime? Some folks are even naïve enough to say they should drop in another MCU movie into the same release date! What?

 

[Mike Murdock]

Budget 140M,
176M Domestic, 193M Foreign

I sounds like 200+M profit, but after marketing and foreign distribution cuts, the number actually comes out very modest. It was successful mind you, but the success wasn't nearly as significant as the non-typical Thor, with it's 449M worldwide.

Sorry, I thought you were talking about people's actual thoughts on the movie, not just ticket returns when talking about popularity. If you had said successful, I probably wouldn't have been confused.

Just shoot the film based on the latest draft of the script .

Yeah, if Marvel's happy with the changes to the script and they find a director they like that is fine with the script, shoot the damn script. I trust Marvel to know when their movie is good or bad. I hope they're happy with it and a delay would be bad at this point.

As I've said until I've blue in the face with no one seeming to acknowledge it, my problem is not with Marvel Studios having a vision for how these characters should be handled and enforcing it. That's within their right. It's, IF THE RUMOURS ARE TRUE, them making one call, then changing their mind at the 11th hour.

Well, my take is this. They were 90% on the same page, but that 10% caused the whole thing to fall apart. They were at that 11th hour with a fear that their carriage would turn into a pumpkin on hour 12. That's why they seemingly changed their minds. If the dispute is only over that sliver of disagreement, maybe they should have stuck with Wright's version. However, let's also keep in mind (if the rumors are true) that Wright was the one who ultimately left. They may have not expected that. They may have thought the changes were ones he would have ultimately approved of, which would have made it worth it since they didn't think they had time to keep sending it back to Wright until he came up with a version they were both happy with.

 

[jmc]

There's actually no way this is true. Wright's vision is why they're making the movie, so it's definitely not just been a waste of time, or gone anywhere.

Instead of trying to make up some scenario where Marvel was somehow out of the loop on their own film, accept the reality that Marvel loved Wright's vision, and the breakdown is a result of something other than the vision, some rumors say scheduling, some rumors say behind the back script changes. None say vision.

The choice has already been made, they're going forward with what they have, which is Wright's vision and the cast and prep and hype from Wright's project. That's the best choice, imho, because it's a great idea from a great filmmaker, and wasting that would be a waste.

But he's no longer involved is he? You can't call it his vision any more because ultimately Marvel wanted something else.

 

[CaptainWagner]

But he's no longer involved is he? You can't call it his vision any more because ultimately Marvel wanted something else.

No, but from what we know, Marvel plans on keeping everything outside of the hand-full of changes Wright left over. So the final script probably won't be too terribly different from Wright's plan, which is good in my opinion, as I really liked where it was going.

 

[jmc]

I think people really underestimate how important it is to have a passionate person leading the charge.

 

[Ant-manic]

I think people really underestimate how important it is to have a passionate person leading the charge.

where Ant-Man is concerned, i'm not sure that they will be able to find someone that passionate. he may have introduced this movie idea to Marvel 8 years ago. but he said that he read that comic in his teens.

 

[Rock Sexton]

I think people really underestimate how important it is to have a passionate person leading the charge.

I think it's more the fact the rational people understand that is not the only quality necessary for a director to be successful. Some are very technical in nature and do just fine for themselves in the film industry.

 

[jmc]

I think it's more the fact the rational people understand that is not the only quality necessary for a director to be successful. Some are very technical in nature and do just fine for themselves in the film industry.

Well, of course it's not, a director still needs a level of skill obviously. But passion plays a huge part in some films because there's a love for what they are doing, and when there's love there's a desire to make it the best it can possible be, that goes for any creative field not just film.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

Personally I'm a little worried about Marvel Studios' future. I know Age of Ultron is practically a guaranteed smash and Cap 3 looks like it's going to be a winner. I'm very excited to see Thor 3 myself and am encouraged that they are taking their time with the script. I hope it's the best Thor film yet. There's also the untapped potential of Ruffalo's Hulk. In fact I will be very surprised if we don't see another Hulk outing in Phase 3. But after that what's next?

I haven't seen the film but it seems that Days of Future Past has rekindled a lot of fan faith in Fox. It's looking less and less likely that Marvel will ever get back at least one of their heavy hitters like Spider-Man, X-Men or the Fantastic Four. That being the case you're going to see Marvel scraping the bottom of the barrel more and more. I'm very skeptical that Marvel can sustain the kind of success they've had thus far by rolling out more C and D list characters.

I'll confess I'm not a huge Ant-Man fan. I think there's a reason he could never carry a book by himself. But having a guy like Edgar Wright helming it with apparent passion made me excited for it. It kind of felt like Marvel's ace in the hole. Now that he's left I'm thinking maybe it's best to table this project. This is certainly something they should not rush. No one is clamoring for an Ant-Man film are they? Plus this thing needs to kick off Phase 3. You want that to start with a bang not a whimper.

 

[Rock Sexton]

I haven't seen the film but it seems that Days of Future Past has rekindled a lot of fan faith in Fox. It's looking less and less likely that Marvel will ever get back at least one of their heavy hitters like Spider-Man, X-Men or the Fantastic Four. That being the case you're going to see Marvel scraping the bottom of the barrel more and more. I'm very skeptical that Marvel can sustain the kind of success they've had thus far by rolling out more C and D list characters.

They don't need Spiderman, X-Men, or FF. They've done just fine without them. You talk about scraping the bottom of the barrel, but what is it you think Sony is doing with the Sinister Six? How about Fox trying to branch out and do X-Force? Those aren't anywhere near A or B list. Hell the whole MCU was founded by a lower tier character in Iron Man.

I'll confess I'm not a huge Ant-Man fan. I think there's a reason he could never carry a book by himself. But having a guy like Edgar Wright helming it with apparent passion made me excited for it. It kind of felt like Marvel's ace in the hole. Now that he's left I'm thinking maybe it's best to table this project. This is certainly something they should not rush. No one is clamoring for an Ant-Man film are they? Plus this thing needs to kick off Phase 3. You want that to start with a bang not a whimper.

Joss Whedon is Marvel's ace in the hole. He's responsible for their largest, most complicated, and most profitable franchise .... so please, enough of that nonsense.

 

[DA_Champion]

Joss Whedon is Marvel's ace in the hole. helming their largest, most complicated, and most profitable franchise .... so please, enough of that nonsense.

I read that he was leaving after Avengers 2.

 

[Rock Sexton]

Well, of course it's not, a director still needs a level of skill obviously. But passion plays a huge part in some films because there's a love for what they are doing, and when there's love there's a desire to make it the best it can possible be, that goes for any creative field not just film.

Why are you stating the obvious? Of course there needs to be some passion. Do you firmly believe none of the other MCU directors had passion or future ones will be lacking it? What is it you're suggesting here with your comment?

Edgar Wright isn't the only filmmaker out there to exhibit this holy phenomena known as passion.

 

[Rock Sexton]

I read that he was leaving after Avengers 2.

I'm sure you did.

 

[Krystal]

I'm sure you did.

He read it on the internet............

 

[jmc]

Why are you stating the obvious? Of course there needs to be some passion. Do you firmly believe none of the other MCU directors had passion or future ones will be lacking it? What is it you're suggesting here with your comment?

Edgar Wright isn't the only filmmaker out there to exhibit this holy phenomena known as passion.

Jesus, you need to take some chill pills mate, you're looking for an argument and I'm not biting. Have fun.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

They don't need Spiderman, X-Men, or FF. They've done just fine without them. You talk about scraping the bottom of the barrel, but what is it you think Sony is doing with the Sinister Six? How about Fox trying to branch out and do X-Force? Those aren't anywhere near A or B list. Hell the whole MCU was founded by a lower tier character in Iron Man.

No doubt they've done just fine. But can they continue? I'd agree that Spidey and X-Men they can probably do without. But I think getting the FF would've been a huge win. There's so much overlap between the Avengers and FF characters etc. that it would have really enriched the mythos and made the MCU even more epic. But that ship has sailed as Fox is clearly doing their thing and no one can stop them.

But even though Iron Man was no Spider-Man he carried his own title for decades. Same with Thor and Captain America and Hulk. Hulk has been damaged goods but I think Marvel's been doing a great job of slowly steadily bringing him back to relevance. Daredevil is their only other character in that category I can think of but he's damaged goods too which is why they are trying to work him back through a TV series which I think is brilliant. I was disappointed to hear Goddard will not be directing but I'm not surprised after it was announced a while ago he was directing Sinister Six. It sounds like DeKnight will do just fine. I'm not feeling the Charlie Cox Daredevil casting just yet and hope he does the role justice. Marvel's been pretty spot on with their casting so I'm more than willing to give them the benefit of the doubt here.

Joss Whedon is Marvel's ace in the hole. He's responsible for their largest, most complicated, and most profitable franchise .... so please, enough of that nonsense.

Man if I knew Joss was in it for the long haul I'd feel a hell of a lot better but I think the general feeling is that Age of Ultron is his last outing before he branches off into other things.

I think Guardians of the Galaxy is their biggest risk to date but it looks like a hit to me and I can't wait to see it. But it could also end up Marvel's first flop. However, if that film is solid and wins over audiences on these bizarre characters I will be more impressed with Marvel Studios than ever.

 

[Rock Sexton]

Jesus, you need to take some chill pills mate, you're looking for an argument and I'm not biting. Have fun.

So you can't answer those questions. Got it.

 

[Raiden]

I believe Marvel will be able to get a good director who can get the job done, since they are still using Wright's script with some rewrites. Although I'm disappointed to hear Wright's departure, I think it's good in the long run since Marvel has to do what is best for MCU and their own vision of the movie, and this is one of the things that any cinematic universe movie will have to deal with if they want to be contained within that universe. Marvel has had a good instinct with their movies and I think they will do right by Ant-Man as well.

 

[jmc]

So you can't answer those questions. Got it.

No, you're looking for an argument, because I wasn't implying anything. You purposely twisted my words in an attempt to draw me into an argument and I'm not having a bar of it.

 

[Rock Sexton]

No doubt they've done just fine. But can they continue? I'd agree that Spidey and X-Men they can probably do without. But I think getting the FF would've been a huge win. There's so much overlap between the Avengers and FF characters etc. that it would have really enriched the mythos and made the MCU even more epic. But that ship has sailed as Fox is clearly doing their thing and no one can stop them.

Can they continue? Do you know how long I've heard that question .... I mean seriously. At this point they don't even deserve skepticism. Phase 2 has been a complete success so far. As for overlap .... the Avengers have overlap with all kinds of characters from the Marvel library. What you call "enrichment" is veiled "personal preference".

What is this "nobody can stop FOX" thing though? They finally pumped out one good comic book film in how many years? Let's see a little bit of consistency now.

But even though Iron Man was no Spider-Man he carried his own title for decades. Same with Thor and Captain America and Hulk. Hulk has been damaged goods but I think Marvel's been doing a great job of slowly steadily bringing him back to relevance. Daredevil is their only other character in that category I can think of but he's damaged goods too which is why they are trying to work him back through a TV series which I think is brilliant. I was disappointed to hear Goddard will not be directing but I'm not surprised after it was announced a while ago he was directing Sinister Six. It sounds like DeKnight will do just fine. I'm not feeling the Charlie Cox Daredevil casting just yet and hope he does the role justice. Marvel's been pretty spot on with their casting so I'm more than willing to give them the benefit of the doubt here.

Goddard didn't just leave for the Sinister Six. I'm not at liberty to say, but there's something larger coming his way. You'll find out about it soon enough.

Man if I knew Joss was in it for the long haul I'd feel a hell of a lot better but I think the general feeling is that Age of Ultron is his last outing before he branches off into other things.

I think Guardians of the Galaxy is their biggest risk to date but it looks like a hit to me and I can't wait to see it. But it could also end up Marvel's first flop. However, if that film is solid and wins over audiences on these bizarre characters I will be more impressed with Marvel Studios than ever.

What "general feeling"? Where are you getting that from in regards to Whedon? He can't just sign an infinity contract with Marvel Studios. Based on what ends up happening with the Phase 2 after A:AOU, he put himself in a position to renegotiate. Comics are his lifeblood.

For a standalone franchise Guardians is the biggest risk. Among the entire MCU though putting all the characters together was by far and away the largest they've ever taken. It's really not even close. They've built up enough cache now that it's not quite like the risks they took in Phase 1. There's far more benefit of the doubt in what they're doing.

 

[Rock Sexton]

No, you're looking for an argument, because I wasn't implying anything. You purposely twisted my words in an attempt to draw me into an argument and I'm not having a bar of it.

You're having none of it because you knew what you were doing .....

You insinuated amongst this Wright debacle that MCU fans don't understand how important it is to get a director who's passionate for the project. I'm sure that's just a coincidental comment and had nothing to do with him leaving.

 

[jmc]

You're having none of it because you knew what you were doing .....

You insinuated amongst this Wright debacle that MCU fans don't understand how important it is to get a director who's passionate for the project. I'm sure that's just a coincidental comment and had nothing to do with him leaving.

Take it however you want. Like an owl with laryngitis I don't give two hoots.

 

[DA_Champion]

Like an owl with laryngitis I don't give two hoots.

Did you just come up with that?

 

[jmc]

I wish I could say I did, it's a gag I heard years ago and have used it ever since. lol