Ant-Man The best way that Marvel can fix this

[Rock Sexton]

Take it however you want. Like an owl with laryngitis I don't give two hoots.

How cryptic errrrr avoidant.

 

[DA_Champion]

I believe Marvel will be able to get a good director who can get the job done, since they are still using Wright's script with some rewrites. Although I'm disappointed to hear Wright's departure, I think it's good in the long run since Marvel has to do what is best for MCU and their own vision of the movie, and this is one of the things that any cinematic universe movie will have to deal with if they want to be contained within that universe. Marvel has had a good instinct with their movies and I think they will do right by Ant-Man as well.

In the long run, I could see Marvel's formula becoming stale. But, the success of TWS shows that time is not yet here, it might be a long time off.

 

[jmc]

How cryptic errrrr avoidant.

 

[DA_Champion]

How cryptic errrrr avoidant.

Stop acting like you're the chief defensive guard for Marvel studios. You don't need to agitate every time anybody anywhere on the hype implies sub-perfection for marvel studios' products and decisions. They're not your King and they're not God quite frankly.

If you just relax, ask politely, and relax some more I'm sure people will be willing to discuss things with you.

 

[Rock Sexton]

Stop acting like you're the chief defensive guard for Marvel studios. You don't need to agitate every time anybody anywhere on the hype implies sub-perfection for marvel studios' products and decisions. They're not your King and they're not God quite frankly.

If you just relax, ask politely, and relax some more I'm sure people will be willing to discuss things with you.

That's nice and all, accept 99% of what you just wrote is false.

 

[Rock Sexton]

In the long run, I could see Marvel's formula becoming stale. But, the success of TWS shows that time is not yet here, it might be a long time off.

In the long run almost everything faces a point of becoming stale and needing innovation. It's not just the MCU. Look at how tired people got of the Batman franchise pre-Nolan.

 

[DA_Champion]

That's nice and all, accept 99% of what you just wrote is false.

What's 100% true is that you're coming off as angry and belligerent toward people are skeptical of marvel studios. I've seen this attitude toward at least four people in this thread and the adjacent one on Edgar Wright's departure.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

Can they continue? Do you know how long I've heard that question .... I mean seriously. At this point they don't even deserve skepticism. Phase 2 has been a complete success so far. As for overlap .... the Avengers have overlap with all kinds of characters from the Marvel library. What you call "enrichment" is veiled "personal preference".

What is this "nobody can stop FOX" thing though? They finally pumped out one good comic book film in how many years? Let's see a little bit of consistency now.

What I meant was nobody can stop Fox from making their Fantastic Four reboot. There's a lot of us who have been hoping that the rights would revert this year but those hopes have been pretty much dashed since Fox is clearly moving forward with the production despite fan outcry.

Goddard didn't just leave for the Sinister Six. I'm not at liberty to say, but there's something larger coming his way. You'll find out about it soon enough.

Wow... mysterious. You've really piqued my curiosity!

What "general feeling"? Where are you getting that from in regards to Whedon? He can't just sign an infinity contract with Marvel Studios. Based on what ends up happening with the Phase 2 after A:AOU he put himself in a position to renegotiate. Comics are his lifeblood.

I'm thinking back to his remarks when he was debating whether he'd helm the Avengers sequel. But hey you make some really good points. I like your optimism on this. I hope Joss sticks around the MCU for a long long time.

For a standalone franchise Guardians is the biggest risk. Among the entire MCU though putting all the characters together was by far and away the largest they've ever taken. It's really not even close.

Well yes Avengers was a huge risk no doubt. That could have been such a disaster it's ridiculous. However, I still think the idea of the Avengers was part of the public consciousness and there was a build up. There was the hidden geek in all of us that wanted to see that event become reality and didn't think it they could really pull it off so when it actually turned out to be a great flick box office went through the roof.

Whereas Guardians of the Galaxy is such an esoteric fringe property - I know there's a group of fans that are really excited for it and there's the Marvel brand of course but I think most folks are like Korath the Pursuer from the trailer "Who??" It will be very interesting to see how this film does at the box office.

 

[Rock Sexton]

What's 100% true is that you're coming off as angry and belligerent toward people are skeptical of marvel studios. I've seen this attitude toward at least four people in this thread and the adjacent one on Edgar Wright's departure.

Angry? LOL

Only angry going on here is by the mini-mob over Wright's departure. I have no problems with skepticism as long as they're rooted in logic and not fueled with vague ambiguities after being isolated from the truth.

Sorry if I'm not overwhelmed by such innovative suggestions as "directors need to be passionate" and "one day the MCU will get stale". All of that goes without saying and can be applied to any movie studio.

 

[Raiden]

In the long run, I could see Marvel's formula becoming stale. But, the success of TWS shows that time is not yet here, it might be a long time off.

I think Marvel is fully aware of this situation, hence the reason they're making a movie as risky and as off-beat as GOTG. It's a gamble, but if it becomes a success, it will not only open the door of Marvel's cosmic side but Marvel will get a bright new franchise on their hand. We will see movies like Nova to show up in the future as well. Too bad Marvel won't have Galactus and his Heralds to make it even more interesting.

 

[Rock Sexton]

What I meant was nobody can stop Fox from making their Fantastic Four reboot. There's a lot of us who have been hoping that the rights would revert this year but those hopes have been pretty much dashed since Fox is clearly moving forward with the production despite fan outcry.

There's alot of you who've been hopeful and alot that haven't.

Wow... mysterious. You've really piqued my curiosity!

I wish I could say, but promised I wouldn't.

I'm thinking back to his remarks when he was debating whether he'd helm the Avengers sequel. But hey you make some really good points. I like your optimism on this. I hope Joss sticks around the MCU for a long long time.

He had some questions about doing A2, that is until Marvel decided to make him the "consigliere" as he put it ..... to where he had influence over all of Phase 2.

Well yes Avengers was a huge risk no doubt. That could have been such a disaster it's ridiculous. However, I still think the idea of the Avengers was part of the public consciousness and there was a build up. There was the hidden geek in all of us that wanted to see that event become reality and didn't think it they could really pull it off so when it actually turned out to be a great flick box office went through the roof.

Whereas Guardians of the Galaxy is such an esoteric fringe property - I know there's a group of fans that are really excited for it and there's the Marvel brand of course but I think most folks are like Korath the Pursuer from the trailer "Who??" It will be very interesting to see how this film does at the box office.

The public questioned the hell out of the Avengers. It was the comic purists who were ripe with delight. Beyond Avengers, Thor was actually a risky franchise to put out there .... I mean seriously, immortal techno space vikings? Do you think audiences knew who The Warriors Three were before? That was at a time when Marvel hadn't yet built up the rep it has now. Audiences are a little more curious when they go off the beaten path.

 

[jmc]

Angry? LOL

Only angry going on here is by the mini-mob over Wright's departure. I have no problems with skepticism as long as they're rooted in logic and fueled with vague ambiguities from from being isolated from the truth.

Sorry if I'm not overwhelmed by such innovating suggestions as "directors need to be passionate" and "one day the MCU will get stale". All of that goes without saying and can be applied to any movie studio.

Stale or passionate will be dependant on the past movies as well as future ones. It goes without saying the MCU might or might not be both.

 

[Rock Sexton]

Stale or passionate will be dependant on the past movies as well as future ones. It goes without saying the MCU might or might not be both.

Well I'm glad we could arrive at the fact that it might or might not be.

 

[jmc]

Well played sir, well played.

 

[DA_Champion]

I think Marvel is fully aware of this situation, hence the reason they're making a movie as risky and as off-beat as GOTG. It's a gamble, but if it becomes a success, it will not only open the door of Marvel's cosmic side but Marvel will get a bright new franchise on their hand. We will see movies like Nova to show up in the future as well. Too bad Marvel won't have Galactus and his Heralds to make it even more interesting.

I wish people would stop calling GoTG "risky" prior to seeing it. We have no idea if it's risky or not at this point, it might end up having a totally vanilla plot, narrative structure, editing style, morality, thematic content, etc. Or it might not, it might be bold and explore issues of being human in an alien-dominated world, the evolution of human culture, Galactic-scale capitalism, et cetera. We have no idea, let's wait until the movie comes out. Similarly, a script about ordinary people could actually be quite daring in principle.

For me anyway, when I saw that I hope Marvel eventually has more diversity, I don't just mean the explicit contours of the plot or the colour scheme of the camera/clothing/CGI. I mean in terms of themes explores, tone, level of depth, narrative structure, etc.

GoTG could very well be that breakthrough -- but we don't know that yet.

 

[First Avenger]

So Goddard is going to direct/write the next Spider-Man movie? XD

 

[Keyser Soze]

In the long run, I could see Marvel's formula becoming stale. But, the success of TWS shows that time is not yet here, it might be a long time off.

I'm not too worried about that. It feels like I've been reading predictions that the superhero movie bubble was about to burst since around 2003.

 

[Pond]

I'm not too worried about that. It feels like I've been reading predictions that the superhero movie bubble was about to burst since around 2003.

More or less. When Guillermo del Toro came to Spain to promote the DVD special extended cut of Hellboy, circa 2004, he said we better enjoyed the genre on film now cause soon, it would be all over...

 

[TheVision]

Whats nice about the MCU is that they have many heroes, so itll never get as stale as it would if you only had 1 or 2. They should be able to keep things fresh by expanding the universe, bringing in new filmmakers, trying new stories etc.

 

[Rock Sexton]

 

[CaptainWagner]

Personally I'm a little worried about Marvel Studios' future. I know Age of Ultron is practically a guaranteed smash and Cap 3 looks like it's going to be a winner. I'm very excited to see Thor 3 myself and am encouraged that they are taking their time with the script. I hope it's the best Thor film yet. There's also the untapped potential of Ruffalo's Hulk. In fact I will be very surprised if we don't see another Hulk outing in Phase 3. But after that what's next?

I haven't seen the film but it seems that Days of Future Past has rekindled a lot of fan faith in Fox. It's looking less and less likely that Marvel will ever get back at least one of their heavy hitters like Spider-Man, X-Men or the Fantastic Four. That being the case you're going to see Marvel scraping the bottom of the barrel more and more. I'm very skeptical that Marvel can sustain the kind of success they've had thus far by rolling out more C and D list characters.

I'll confess I'm not a huge Ant-Man fan. I think there's a reason he could never carry a book by himself. But having a guy like Edgar Wright helming it with apparent passion made me excited for it. It kind of felt like Marvel's ace in the hole. Now that he's left I'm thinking maybe it's best to table this project. This is certainly something they should not rush. No one is clamoring for an Ant-Man film are they? Plus this thing needs to kick off Phase 3. You want that to start with a bang not a whimper.

One thing that should be taken into consideration, though, is that before Iron Man, Thor, and the Avengers came out, the general public really didn't know any more about say, Iron Man or Hawkeye, than they would have about Antman or Black Panther. So I don't think they need to worry about delving into the B or C list characters, because they've shown they can make people care about a hero they've never heard of before. And if GOTG is a hit, then they'll prove they can make anyone popular.

 

[TheVision]

Ant Man could end up being another Iron Man if they do it right. Of course IM had RDJ who made the character supercool to us. Ant Man will have to be cool in his own way.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Guys, please post on this topic CIVILLY! Don't be a condescending jerk to everyone who disagrees with you.

 

[Spider-Fan]

As for how Marvel can fix this, we don't know. Honestly, we don't know what is WRONG with it. We don't know if the script as it now exists is bad. We don't know what in the script drove a divide between Marvel and Wright. We don't know who is replacing him. We don't know ANYTHING! We can't assume anything until we learn more. For all we know, Ant-Man might turn out excellent. First Class got Vaughn last minute, and it turned out brilliantly. Likewise, X3 got Ratner last minute when Vaughn left, and it was garbage. It can go either way,

That said, I doubt it was Hank's age. If it was, I doubt that we only NOW would have heard about it. This project is 8 years old, and has proceeded that long with old Pym and no less, they cast Douglas as Pym. I highly doubt this is what the divide was about.

 

[Mike Murdock]

I wish I could say, but promised I wouldn't.

God damn it dude. Use your inside connections to find out when there's going to be an announcement

He had some questions about doing A2, that is until Marvel decided to make him the "consigliere" as he put it ..... to where he had influence over all of Phase 2.

That's encouraging. That being said, my fear is whether Whedon will be back for Phase 3. I hope so since he's the one who wanted Thanos in the first place, but two movies for a director with Marvel is common, three would be unique.

The public questioned the hell out of the Avengers. It was the comic purists who were ripe with delight. Beyond Avengers, Thor was actually a risky franchise to put out there .... I mean seriously, immortal techno space vikings? Do you think audiences knew who The Warriors Three were before? That was at a time when Marvel hadn't yet built up the rep it has now. Audiences are a little more curious when they go off the beaten path.

I didn't remember that much questioning of the Avengers. There wasn't confidence, I'll agree. I remember walking into the movie itself wondering if it would live up to the hype of the run up (I remember thinking the movie not only lived up to my expectations, but shattered them), but I don't remember people thinking it would completely bomb, just not be as good as its potential.

I agree completely about Thor. That was a huge risk that many people (me included) thought could very easily blow up in their faces. And they threaded a very fine needle to make it work. The gods as aliens thing was controversial among fans, but it bridged the gap to allow for more fantastical things in the future and it started perfectly (the ancients knew we weren't alone in the universe). I think the sci-fi/Norse mythology thing still sits a bit awkwardly, but I also think movies like Guardians and Dr. Strange are available because Thor blazed that trail. Although, that being said, Helmsworth and Hiddleston have a lot to do with it.