The big fight, Norton Vs Penn

[Sava]

see , smartness/sarcasm works without smiley sometimes

that was more smartass/funny ..and it worked

 

[EmeraldBeast]

Norton wrote the script. Penns script was most likely shot down by Marvel. To me that's a good thing. It shows that they are not going to settle for crap.

Okay guys, here's a little eye opener for many. Just in case you are not familiar with the process The script/story writer (Zak) is the one who drafts the movie script. It doesn't mean he is writing the "screen play". Writing the story is one thing, writing the screen play is another. Zak wrote the story, Norton read it and wrote the screenplay. He also modified parts of Zak's story making it closer to the comics. A script/story leads to the screenplay. The story is what happens in your script. The screenplay is the "dialogue and stage" direction from your script. Get it, lol.

 

[antsiou]

OK, i see there's a difference alright between story and screenplay...

but what should we understand from that

EXCLUSIVE: Zak Penn Confirms to Cinematical That Edward Norton is Now Writing 'The Incredible Hulk'

http://www.cinematical.com/2007/08/...confirms-to-cinematical-that-edward-norton-i/


I was just as surprised as everyone else was when, during ComicCon, Edward Norton apparently announced that he was all of a sudden writing the screenplay for next summer's The Incredible Hulk. We all knew Norton possessed tremendous talent apart from acting, as he's written, directed, produced and even recorded music for a couple films. But Zak Penn was writing The Incredible Hulk. Zak Penn. Ya know, the guy who's actually written two comic adaptations (X-Men: The Last Stand, Elektra), shared story credit on another (X2) and penned the video games for X-Men: The Official Game and Fantastic Four. Tack on the fact that he's also tapped to write the highly-anticipated Avengers project, and Norton's bizarre comments seem, well, bizarre. Even more bizarre is that Penn's name has been completely erased from IMDb as having anything to do with the film ... ever.

When the story first hit, I sent Zak an email to see what the real deal was. Was Norton talking out his ass, or was there some legitimacy behind his comments? Zak and I hit it off well during Tribeca (while he was out promoting his very awesome Vegas mockumentary The Grand), and ever since we've kept up correspondence. He's like my big-time Hollywood writer-director pen pal. It's cute. Anyway, though Zak's contract does not allow him to say one thing about the film (with the exception of what has already been said), he did confirm that Edward Norton is now writing The Incredible Hulk. Exact words: "I was writing it, now Edward is." Though I don't know why it's now in Norton's hands versus the veteran comic gloves of Zak Penn, I hope that whatever changes have been made are good ones. Speaking from only one side, I know Penn was very excited about his contributions -- the guy knew the Hulk mythology inside and out, and seemed perfect for the gig. Only time will tell which changes were made; stay tuned to Cinematical as more updates come in. The Incredible Hulk will smash its way into theaters on June 13, 2008.

btw, the link is ded now, only comments are showing....

and don't use that little patronizing tone with us would you son

 

[Cracker Jack]

Writing the story is one thing, writing the screen play is another. Zak wrote the story, Norton read it and wrote the screenplay.

That's not entirely true.

 

[Sava]

wow..they took it down fast

 

[Sarg92]

This is what I read a while ago on the internet, I found it through Google so I can't remember the website of the source.

Anyway, this guy is working some way or another on the movie. He said that Zak Penn's script was never officially accpeted! There was no script to a week of shooting and that is why things were moving so slowly but Norton came along and sorted everything out and everything is on track. The guy says he got his hands on the script and it said "Current Draft Of Edward Norton". No one saw Zak Penn's script.

 

[Bannerless Hulk]

I take it you don't get sarcasm when you read some???

Sorry, no. I more or less just rolled your opinion into Sarg92's, whose post immediately above yours said, "Do you guys think he is going to call Abomination 'Abomination' in this movie or keep it how Penn did?" He WAS serious, while you were not. I, of course, can now see that you weren't, having taken more time to read your post. And it isn't the smiley face but the exaggerated ellipsis in your line "maybe we'll get Abomination to be called....." that clues me in. Sava is right, too... sarcasm in general isn't always obvious in writing.

Okay guys, here's a little eye opener for many. Just in case you are not familiar with the process The script/story writer (Zak) is the one who drafts the movie script. It doesn't mean he is writing the "screen play". Writing the story is one thing, writing the screen play is another. Zak wrote the story, Norton read it and wrote the screenplay. He also modified parts of Zak's story making it closer to the comics. A script/story leads to the screenplay. The story is what happens in your script. The screenplay is the "dialogue and stage" direction from your script. Get it, lol.

The issue isn't quite that elementary, as some of us see it. It's more the controversy that seems to be circling the two guys... the idea that "Penn's name has been completely erased from IMDb" (writer's words) and Penn's seemingly terse reply, "I was writing it, now Edward is." There's more than meets the eye here, it seems. Maybe you can try reading between the lines for us.

 

[EmeraldBeast]

Sorry, no. I more or less just rolled your opinion into Sarg92's, whose post immediately above yours said, "Do you guys think he is going to call Abomination 'Abomination' in this movie or keep it how Penn did?" He WAS serious, while you were not. I, of course, can now see that you weren't, having taken more time to read your post. And it isn't the smiley face but the exaggerated ellipsis in your line "maybe we'll get Abomination to be called....." that clues me in. Sava is right, too... sarcasm in general isn't always obvious in writing.



The issue isn't quite that elementary, as some of us see it. It's more the controversy that seems to be circling the two guys... the idea that "Penn's name has been completely erased from IMDb" (writer's words) and Penn's seemingly terse reply, "I was writing it, now Edward is." There's more than meets the eye here, it seems. Maybe you can try reading between the lines for us.

Okay, here's the deal, plain and simple. Nortons joining TIH project was contingent upon him participating on the ideas and concepts of the movie. Zack Penn wrote a few drafts that were great starting material, and that when Ed Norton came on board he started suggesting ideas as a fan of the character. Eventually, Feige asked if he wanted to just write the script, which Norton did. So in addition to being Bruce Banner, his concepts/ideas will be used to make the Hulk and he will be credited as screenwriter. Thats the deal. Norton basically pushed out Zak as screenwriter with all his ideas. And being that he has the experience as well, Feige let him have the reigns. Thats also why they were cutting it close to begin filming and such. You cant start w/o a script/screenplay. As we speak they are on schedule with filming, principal photography and CGI/FX.

 

[Bannerless Hulk]

Well, that's consistent with what I've read in other places. Maybe we're making it out to be bigger than it is. Interesting they deleted the story that someone posted earlier, though. If you can answer why they did that, then you are TRULY the man.

 

[OobeDoobBenubi]

This has to be a first for a Comic Book Movie. The star of the movie writing the script & is a big Hulk fan. I have new hope for this movie t: Marvel making their own movies is probably going to be one of the best things to happen to Comic Book Movies. If this & Iron man are any indication

 

[MaskedManJRK]

So Penn is officially off the project?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! The Piss-Poor Comic Adapting Elephant is dead! Ever since I heard he was on the project, I felt like one of those Tiki warriors with blow-darts, shooting darts into it's face. Now excuse me while I do my Tiki dance. t:

Also, if anyone gets where I got that from, they can join in the Tiki dance too.

 

[EmeraldBeast]

Well, that's consistent with what I've read in other places. Maybe we're making it out to be bigger than it is. Interesting they deleted the story that someone posted earlier, though. If you can answer why they did that, then you are TRULY the man.

Maybe it was time to set the record straight. Some of us in the industry jump on forums such as these and expose them while trying to shed real light on what really going on. If we told you guys everything about the film while it was being made we wouldn't have time to make it. We also like correcting the errs of those who choose to manipulate articles and other forums from which they derive the info/rumors from.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

EXCLUSIVE: Zak Penn Confirms to Cinematical That Edward Norton is Now Writing 'The Incredible Hulk'

http://www.cinematical.com/2007/08/...confirms-to-cinematical-that-edward-norton-i/


I was just as surprised as everyone else was when, during ComicCon, Edward Norton apparently announced that he was all of a sudden writing the screenplay for next summer's The Incredible Hulk. We all knew Norton possessed tremendous talent apart from acting, as he's written, directed, produced and even recorded music for a couple films. But Zak Penn was writing The Incredible Hulk. Zak Penn. Ya know, the guy who's actually written two comic adaptations (X-Men: The Last Stand, Elektra), shared story credit on another (X2) and penned the video games for X-Men: The Official Game and Fantastic Four. Tack on the fact that he's also tapped to write the highly-anticipated Avengers project, and Norton's bizarre comments seem, well, bizarre. Even more bizarre is that Penn's name has been completely erased from IMDb as having anything to do with the film ... ever.

When the story first hit, I sent Zak an email to see what the real deal was. Was Norton talking out his ass, or was there some legitimacy behind his comments? Zak and I hit it off well during Tribeca (while he was out promoting his very awesome Vegas mockumentary The Grand), and ever since we've kept up correspondence. He's like my big-time Hollywood writer-director pen pal. It's cute. Anyway, though Zak's contract does not allow him to say one thing about the film (with the exception of what has already been said), he did confirm that Edward Norton is now writing The Incredible Hulk. Exact words: "I was writing it, now Edward is." Though I don't know why it's now in Norton's hands versus the veteran comic gloves of Zak Penn, I hope that whatever changes have been made are good ones. Speaking from only one side, I know Penn was very excited about his contributions -- the guy knew the Hulk mythology inside and out, and seemed perfect for the gig. Only time will tell which changes were made; stay tuned to Cinematical as more updates come in. The Incredible Hulk will smash its way into theaters on June 13, 2008.

That means **** all, Penn APPARANTLY knew the X-Men mythology inside and out was supposedly "The biggest X-Fan in the world." And look how X3 turned out! He is ****, plain and simple.

I'm glad he is off this but i would rather he made no contribution at all.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Okay guys, here's a little eye opener for many. Just in case you are not familiar with the process The script/story writer (Zak) is the one who drafts the movie script. It doesn't mean he is writing the "screen play". Writing the story is one thing, writing the screen play is another. Zak wrote the story, Norton read it and wrote the screenplay. He also modified parts of Zak's story making it closer to the comics. A script/story leads to the screenplay. The story is what happens in your script. The screenplay is the "dialogue and stage" direction from your script. Get it, lol.

That is always a big plus for me.

 

[Trooper]

nortons also making references to other characters outside the TIH, this is what marvel should be doing anyways now that they have got the avengers. kinda like iron man and nick fury

 

[antsiou]

nortons also making references to other characters outside the TIH, this is what marvel should be doing anyways now that they have got the avengers. kinda like iron man and nick fury

Yeah, i wonder how it will turn out... cause guess who's commisioned t draft the avenger story....
Zak "i'm outta here" Penn

 

[Ahura Mazda]

Well we are not going to know anything really or be able to judge on the quality until we see some type of detailed synopsis not to mention a few excerpts and that is a log way aways.

 

[Wolfman]

Okay, here's the deal, plain and simple. Nortons joining TIH project was contingent upon him participating on the ideas and concepts of the movie. Zack Penn wrote a few drafts that were great starting material, and that when Ed Norton came on board he started suggesting ideas as a fan of the character. Eventually, Feige asked if he wanted to just write the script, which Norton did. So in addition to being Bruce Banner, his concepts/ideas will be used to make the Hulk and he will be credited as screenwriter. Thats the deal. Norton basically pushed out Zak as screenwriter with all his ideas. And being that he has the experience as well, Feige let him have the reigns. Thats also why they were cutting it close to begin filming and such. You cant start w/o a script/screenplay. As we speak they are on schedule with filming, principal photography and CGI/FX.

Muahhahahahahahaa!!!

 

[robzass]

What you don't realise is that Norton may know his comics better than Penn. Norton is extremly intelligent and actually is a huge marvel zombie.

 

[antsiou]

Some reading for you guyz
http://www.latimes.com/entertainmen...ory?coll=la-entnews-movies&ctrack=1&cset=true

Norton shows muscle on 'Hulk'

A few weeks ago, a minor controversy sprung out of Marvel's "Incredible Hulk" panel at Comic-Con that had a lot of fans both scratching their heads and pointing their fingers. And no, it wasn't griping about Liv Tyler being cast as Betty Ross or fears that the Hulk was going to CGI-fly again. As with most mini-scandals, it turns out to have been both more and less than it first appeared to be.

When it was revealed that Edward Norton, who had been cast as the scientist-gone-green Bruce Banner, had also written the script, it surprised and confused a lot of folks who thought that Zak Penn had written the screenplay. Penn, who has worked on half a dozen Marvel movies, including the last two "X-Men" installments, "Elektra" and, as one of his first Marvel assignments a dozen years ago, what eventually became the first, Ang Lee-directed "Hulk," had actually spent a year writing the screenplay before Norton became involved. (Didn't know that)

At first blush, it looked like just another case of a screenwriter getting disrespected while a movie star with a reputation for aggressive involvement in scripts had bullied his way into writing this one.

"Both panels were excellent for Marvel Studios," says Marvel Studios president of production Kevin Feige, who was also there presenting "Iron Man." "I think the only bit of bungling on my part was not clarifying Zak's role up there in front of 7,000 people, which I then tried to clarify in some round tables I did 20 minutes later after the 'Iron Man' panel."

Of course, nothing prevented Norton from speaking up about Penn, and it didn't help that the actor, by many accounts a very smart guy (and a closet comic book geek), had long since acquired a reputation for stepping on writers' toes when it came to script revisions.

Widely credited with doing substantial uncredited work on "Frida" for then-girlfriend Salma Hayek (who was the film's producer and star), Norton had also shown up on the set of "Red Dragon," for example, with new script pages not only for his character but for Dr. Hannibal Lecter as well. Other people on the film describe director Brett Ratner fighting with Norton over the issue, and Anthony Hopkins reportedly expressed his comfort with speaking the original lines written by Ted Tally, an Oscar winner for his adaptation of "Silence of the Lambs." (Norton's publicist maintains that Ratner asked him to write new pages.)

In the case of "Hulk," after another writer's treatment was declined in early 2006, Marvel hired Penn, who wrote three drafts over a year. By spring 2007, Penn was about to go off to promote his movie "The Grand," but the studio and the director, Louis Leterrier ("The Transporter"), still felt that the screenplay needed work.

When Norton came in to meet about starring as Banner in April, the film had already been greenlighted and there were just three months before shooting was scheduled to begin, just after Independence Day. But Norton had well-established (if underground) writing experience and strong ideas about how to separate the film from any confusion over its connection to the 2003 Ang Lee version by casting it in a more distinct, starting-over vein like "Batman Begins" or "Casino Royale."

So Norton's initial deal included payment not just for his acting services but for his writing talents too, with his draft contractually stipulated to be turned around in less than a month. As it turned out, Norton delayed work on another screenplay job to do "Hulk," and he continues to tweak the script as principal photography hits its halfway point outside Toronto.

Meanwhile, Penn is writing a big-budget version of "The Avengers" and yet another potential "X-Men" spinoff.

As for Norton's writing services, now that he's finally gone "legit" as a paid double threat, other filmmakers may come calling. "Yes, he is that good a writer that I would definitely work with him on another movie that he wasn't starring in," says Feige.

So yeah, it's official to me, Norton is not only an actor, but a writer.

 

[He-Man]

^^^ I was just about to post this story.
Good read though.

 

[antsiou]

^^^ I was just about to post this story.
Good read though.

You guys amazes me (Retro-man and you) you are always on top of the news, breaking them...
So when I got this one, and nothing around, I locked myself at work, turned the phone on voicemail, and published the story... lol

Now who's the daddy?? t:

Good read, and the top of the article is very intersting too (but not Hulk related)

 

[Sava]

nice.. so Norton just took Penn's script and changed it a bit right?

 

[Ahura Mazda]

That is not the impression I get. I am thinking he reworked the whole thing quite a bit.

 

[Sava]

ok, i didnt really pay attention while reading it