Homecoming The Box Office Thread

[DieSmiling]

I fully grasp what a game-changer is. A film with d-listers, obscure characters that not even hardcore Marvel fans knew much about making almost 400 domestically, outgrossing movies who have X-men, Batman, Supermna and Wonder Woman in them. Rings any bells?

I feel like the point in question is cruising over your head and you are arguing semantics. Who said anything about Guardians not being a game changer too?

 

[DieSmiling]

More than Spider-Man? How can you be so certain? Homecoming is probably going to have a bigger OW than WW and slightly higher RT score as well, with a character that can match WW in terms of pop culture awareness and has better merchandising sales. I think the crown for this summer's biggest box office champion has not been decided yet.

I'm not certain, that's why I said probably. WW has had such spectacular legs that it's going to end up very close to 400mm. I personally don't see SMH making it that high. Part of the reason WW has been so big is that it's relative uniqueness of the first depiction of a cultural icon, the same reason Superman 1978, Batman 1989 and Spider-Man 2002 were so massive, let alone the feminist aspect that plays well with 2017 audiences. Spidey is the bigger hero no doubt, but this is still the 6th Spider-Man movie.

Spidey could have spectacular legs too, but I think it's got much tougher competition in the second and third weeks with Apes and Dunkirk, although it's certainly possible those movies (Apes in particular) underperform.

 

[First Avenger]

"Spider-Man fatigue"

Kevin Feige: "hold my beer"

 

[GeckoMoria]

I feel like the point in question is cruising over your head and you are arguing semantics. Who said anything about Guardians not being a game changer too?

My point is that Guardians is THE ONLY game-changer here, not a movie with the third most well-known DC character and probably one of the 5 most well-known heroes in the planet... That's like saying the first Batman movie has crushed it at the box office. Duh...

 

[StormC]

probably one of the 5 most well-known heroes in the planet

You are way overselling how well known and popular Wonder Woman is. Tons of these countries never even heard of her.

 

[GeckoMoria]

You are way overselling how well known and popular Wonder Woman is. Tons of these countries never even heard of her.

I haven't seen a top 10 list of the most popular heroes that doesn't have her in the first 5-6 spots.

 

[DieSmiling]

My point is that Guardians is THE ONLY game-changer here, not a movie with the third most well-known DC character and probably one of the 5 most well-known heroes in the planet... That's like saying the first Batman movie has crushed it at the box office. Duh...

No it's not. Wonder Woman is a cultural icon but she's not a wildly popular superhero or a massive revenue generator and the enormous success of her first movie was ANYTHING but a foregone conclusion. The fact that you would compare her to Batman shows how utterly out of touch you are on this subject.

Seriously, this movie has been in development hell for 20 years because nobody believed it would draw money. Female action tentpoles have notoriously flopped and failed to be given the green light for decades.

A big budget female centric movie moving the needle and drawing huge female audiences to a genre that doesn't typically draw them is an absolute game changer and arguing anything but that is willfull ignorance.

 

[GeckoMoria]

No it's not. Wonder Woman is a cultural icon but she's not a wildly popular superhero or a massive revenue generator and the enormous success of her first movie was ANYTHING but a foregone conclusion. The fact that you would compare her to Batman shows how utterly out of touch you are on this subject.

Seriously, this movie has been in development hell for 20 years because nobody believed it would draw money. Female action tentpoles have notoriously flopped and failed to be given the green light for decades.

A big budget female centric movie moving the needle and drawing huge female audiences to a genre that doesn't typically draw them is an absolute game changer and arguing anything but that is willfull ignorance.

No, you are just biased and probably a DC fan. A WW movie overperforming is a pleasant suprise but NOT a game-change. A Guardians of the galaxy movie outgrossing 90% of the most popular heroes is a game change.

I know very well WW is not on Batman's level but don't try to convince me that she isn't an A-lister. She had a live-action tv show when the heroes that had one were counted in the fingers of one hand.

 

[DieSmiling]

No, you are just biased and probably a DC fan. A WW movie overperforming is a pleasant suprise but NOT a game-change. A Guardians of the galaxy movie outgrossing 90% of the most popular heroes is a game change.

I know very well WW is not on Batman's level but don't try to convince me that she isn't an A-lister. She had a live-action tv show when the heroes that had one were counted in the fingers of one hand.

You're basically ignoring the points I'm making so you can reiterate what you want to believe. No point in arguing with you if you aren't even going to be intellectually honest.

 

[Tony Stark]

You are way overselling how well known and popular Wonder Woman is. Tons of these countries never even heard of her.

True, but it's legs overseas are decent, nothing spectacular, it's here in the States that WW is doing amazing business.

 

[Tony Stark]

"Spider-Man fatigue"

Kevin Feige: "hold my beer"

t:

 

[StormC]

WW is like the Hulk was pre-Avengers. Well known and recognizable, but not overwhelmingly popular. She has had very little exposure to the GA in the last few decades outside of what, a supporting role in the Justice League series? She hasn't headlined her own franchise adaptation in a very long time. But now that's changing.

 

[Ozbridge]

36M Friday is a very good number, probably head for high 120s OW or pass 130M a bit. Domestic it's unlikely to pass Wonder Woman but worldwide this and Despicable Me will compete for the summer crown.

Iron Man ensures that this will cross 350M domestic and 900M WW. A billion looks very possible too.

My prediction from last year is looking good

 

[GeckoMoria]

If Guardians can pass WW, then Spidey sure as hell can as well.

 

[hafizbat]

WW is like the Hulk was pre-Avengers. Well known and recognizable, but not overwhelmingly popular. She has had very little exposure to the GA in the last few decades outside of what, a supporting role in the Justice League series? She hasn't headlined her own franchise adaptation in a very long time. But now that's changing.

Yeah I agree with the Hulk comparison. Although even Hulk was bigger with two silver screen movies, a theme park ride, etc prior to Avengers. They both had the 70's TV shows.

 

[spiderman2]

2 Questions I have.

1. Have we gotten any news about its OS numbers yet?
2. Has the movie opened ever were? Or are there some places were it comes out later?

 

[I Am The Knight]

Can we get some numbers in here.

 

[spiderman2]

You realize no solo superhero movie ever has grossed 1.5 billion right? With all due respect I don't think a Homecoming sequel would even sniff 1.5b.

If any thing I think 1.5 billion could even be low. Dark knight and Dark knight rises made just over a billion and it did that with out 3d. With 3d both of those movies would have done like around 1.3-1.4 billion and Spider-Man is even more popular then batman. I don't think another 100-200 million is really that much to ask for. Dark knight rises came out in 2012 by the time the next Spider-Man comes out in 2019 you are talking about another 7 years of inflation and again bigger international market. Is 100-200 million really that much more when you are going to be talking about 2019 ticket prices vs Dark knight rises 2012 ticket prices and 7 more years of the international market getting bigger? A billion is really not that big of a deal any more. Yes Billion is not easy but it is a lot less impressive then it used to be.

 

[Panacea]

Just saying if Ragnarok follows the trend it'll get a huge trilogy ending boost. Cap 3 and Iron Man 3 both did a billion. Don't forget the box office numbers for Thor and Cap were pretty much the same until Civil War.

Yeah, but Civil War was practically a full blown Avengers movie.

If any thing I think 1.5 billion could even be low. Dark knight and Dark knight rises made just over a billion and it did that with out 3d. With 3d both of those movies would have done like around 1.3-1.4 billion and Spider-Man is even more popular then batman. I don't think another 100-200 million is really that much to ask for. Dark knight rises came out in 2012 by the time the next Spider-Man comes out in 2019 you are talking about another 7 years of inflation and again bigger international market. Is 100-200 million really that much more when you are going to be talking about 2019 ticket prices vs Dark knight rises 2012 ticket prices and 7 more years of the international market getting bigger? A billion is really not that big of a deal any more. Yes Billion is not easy but it is a lot less impressive then it used to be.

If Spider-Man 2 gets close to a billion it'll be because it's dropping two months after Avengers 4, riding the wave like Iron Man 3 did, not because of inflation. $1.5bn is an absurdly high gross that only an unprecedented superhero cinematic event like The Avengers has ever been able to achieve. I don't have the words to fully articulate how unlikely it is that a Spider-Man sequel could make $1.5bn within the next decade, not unless they make it into a faux Avengers movie like Civil War or something.

 

[spiderman2]

Any one see any thing about China? I cant find any thing about when it comes out there. How much did the other Spider-Man movies make there?

 

[spiderman2]

Yeah, but Civil War was practically a full blown Avengers movie.



If Spider-Man 2 gets close to a billion it'll be because it's dropping two months after Avengers 4, riding the wave like Iron Man 3 did, not because of inflation. $1.5bn is an absurdly high gross that only an unprecedented superhero cinematic event like The Avengers has ever been able to achieve. I don't have the words to fully articulate how unlikely it is that a Spider-Man sequel could make $1.5bn within the next decade, not unless they make it into a faux Avengers movie like Civil War or something.

We are just going to have to disagree on that.

 

[Alana´s Gun]

If any thing I think 1.5 billion could even be low. Dark knight and Dark knight rises made just over a billion and it did that with out 3d. With 3d both of those movies would have done like around 1.3-1.4 billion and Spider-Man is even more popular then batman. I don't think another 100-200 million is really that much to ask for. Dark knight rises came out in 2012 by the time the next Spider-Man comes out in 2019 you are talking about another 7 years of inflation and again bigger international market. Is 100-200 million really that much more when you are going to be talking about 2019 ticket prices vs Dark knight rises 2012 ticket prices and 7 more years of the international market getting bigger? A billion is really not that big of a deal any more. Yes Billion is not easy but it is a lot less impressive then it used to be.

source?

 

[spiderman2]

source?

Have you not seen the thing about how much Spider-Man stuff sales ever year compared to like ever other superhero? Its not even close.

 

[Alana´s Gun]

Have you not seen the thing about how much Spider-Man stuff sales ever year compared to like ever other superhero? Its not even close.

If I did I wouldn't have asked for a source.

Can you provide that.

I think making that sort of statement is only self serving. YOU will believe it because you're a spider-man fan. But Batman has had two very successful franchises that have spanned from 1989-2012.

I think there's no way to say who is more popular than the other and we have to temper ourselves here. You're spouting off a lot of very very opinion based statements as hard facts. I get you like Spider-Man I get you liked Homecoming but let's come back to earth and out of Spider heaven.

 

[Tymminator]

http://http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/superhero-earns-13-billion-a-748281?utm_source=pulsenews&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+thr%2Fnews+%28The+Hollywood+Reporter+-+Top+Stories%29