Homecoming The Box Office Thread

[iEquinox]

seems kind of sad that that spider-man-who is conceivably the 2nd or 3rd most popular and widely known superhero in the world is clinging to Ant-Man drops-who is the 200th most widely known comic book here(an exageration-but you get the drift)-lol

You have it completely backwards. "Clinging on" to Ant-Man's drops would be extremely good. The more popular a character is, the bigger the drops it gets. Even getting close is great.

Getting the same drops as Ant-Man wouldn't be "sad". It would actually be a resounding success.

 

[Spiderine]

Spiderman is on his 6th film since 2002. Coming off two or three disappointing films. Its doing quite well all things considered. AntMan and WW are two different scenarios here.

The sequel will get the IW/Avengers boost.

 

[Web-Head]

Still think they would've been better off keeping this at it's original release date on the 28th

 

[Faith_Cassidy]

Spiderman is on his 6th film since 2002. Coming off two or three disappointing films. Its doing quite well all things considered. AntMan and WW are two different scenarios here.

The sequel will get the IW/Avengers boost.

Pretty much. It's amazing how some want to ignore or downplay the significance of this being the 6th spidey movie, a reboot of a reboot, essentially. The fact that it has already done as well as it has is a victory. Could it have done a bit better in its first 2 weekends? Sure. But as it stands, I'm pretty sure Sony is pleased. And no doubt the sequel will bring in even bigger numbers.

 

[iEquinox]

You yourself admitted it can leg to 350M, so why not hope for that?

There's a big difference between hoping for something and calling it a disappointment.

I can hope for Wonder Woman reaching $410M, but that doesn't mean that it's a disappointment if it ends up with $400M.

I don't think Spider-Man making more than the previous two Spider-Man movies(on a significantly lower budget to boot) would be disappointing. That looks a lot like a success to me.

 

[StormC]

I never called it a disappointment, you did. Like I said,

I didn't say it would be disappointing in terms of gross, just on a personal level it would be a bummer.

 

[iEquinox]

It would be a bummer if a Spider-Man movie with critical acclaim loses to BVS domestically.

Well, you can't blame me for interpreting this as saying it would be disappointing. "A bummer" is a synonym for "a disappointment" after all.

But I get what you're saying now.

 

[Ozbridge]

I think that there're several similarities between SMH and Batman Begins. SMH is the 3rd reboot and 6th movie in 15 years, BB is the 4th reboot and 5th movie in 16 years. The latest movie in each franchise, ASM 2 and Batman and Robin, made 215M and 207M adjusted respectively. BB made 285M adjusted, SMH will make about 20% more than that.

So I think that in general 320M+ is a very health domestic total. The only thing that seems to make people worry is the high drop in 2nd weekend. But if we look at OW number then SMH was only front-loaded in Thursday and Friday and had very normal drop from first Saturday all the way to second Friday. I think there's definitely a rush factor from MCU and Iron Man fans which made the Friday number skewed high. Without MCU factor this probably would have made below 100M OW like ASM 2 (adjusted).

Hypothetically if this movie wasn't in the MCU then opening day would be like 43M (compared to the real 57M OD). Then on Saturday it would fall 14% (like Ant-Man) to 37M, which is the real Saturday number, Sunday would also have Ant-Man drop (21%) to 29M. So OW could have been 43 + 37 + 29 = 109M without the MCU fan base.

I think this situation can also be applied to WW, which was hurt in OW by the 2 divisive DCEU movies last year. I think she was robbed at least 20-25M on OW and OW could have been 125M, with 400M total that would mean a 3.2X multiple, which is very good but not on the 3.9X level WW will head to.

Edit: Oh and not to mention BvS SMH can lose to Suicide Squad and it'll still be fine. I predicted 140M/350M last December and change to 320-330M a few days before OW, so I'm very unfazed by all this.

 

[marvelrobbins]

while i am not big fan of homecoming it dropping 60% second weekend was surprise to me.as one who has been skeptical of this film i always thought
it would do well with mcu brand+downey as stark+spider-man would make it top comic book film of 2017.as it stands now inless justice league or thor 3
beat it it's looking like wonder woman or GOTG Vol 2 is poised to be top comic book film of 2017.

The batman compession isn't right.the dark knight rises was big hit and it didn't hur when batman was rebooted 3 and and a half years later with bvs.BVS made a ton of money.it's weakness could be attuned to reviews and perception of dceu pre-WW.

The ga just wasn't as wild for hoecoming as much as critics and some here.it will outgross amazing spider-man 2 for sure and possibly outgross the 262 million the first amazing spider-man did in 2012 but unlikely it can approach what any of the rami trilogy did.

i may not be only fan who saw homecoming and wasn't that impressed by it.

i thought it would be more a struggle between homecoming and war of planet of the apes for number 1 but it's looking like more victory for apes than i thought.

 

[Faith_Cassidy]

while i am not big fan of homecoming it dropping 60% second weekend was surprise to me.as one who has been skeptical of this film i always thought
it would do well with mcu brand+downey as stark+spider-man would make it top comic book film of 2017.as it stands now inless justice league or thor 3
beat it it's looking like wonder woman or GOTG Vol 2 is poised to be top comic book film of 2017.

The batman compession isn't right.the dark knight rises was big hit and it didn't hur when batman was rebooted 3 and and a half years later with bvs.BVS made a ton of money.it's weakness could be attuned to reviews and perception of dceu pre-WW.

The ga just wasn't as wild for hoecoming as much as critics and some here.it will outgross amazing spider-man 2 for sure and possibly outgross the 262 million the first amazing spider-man did in 2012 but unlikely it can approach what any of the rami trilogy did.

i may not be only fan who saw homecoming and wasn't that impressed by it.

i thought it would be more a struggle between homecoming and war of planet of the apes for number 1 but it's looking like more victory for apes than i thought.

I mean, you're not even the only one on this very forum. But SMH received the best cinemascore of any spidey movie so I don't think the ga not liking/loving it was an issue. Also, most weren't expecting the movie to reach the numbers of Raimi's trilogy. The sequel will have a much better chance of accomplishing that.

 

[marvelrobbins]

I mean, you're not even the only one on this very forum. But SMH received the best cinemascore of any spidey movie so I don't think the ga not liking/loving it was an issue. Also, most weren't expecting the movie to reach the numbers of Raimi's trilogy. The sequel will have a much better chance of accomplishing that.

the box office is surprising to me since i thought MCU brand and downey appearing in film would add more and it would be bigger hit than it appears.i was thinking from getgo nomatter my personal oporion of film it would be closer to 400 million domesticly.instead wonder woman and gotg vol 2 will
beat it.

you have to conclude among spider-man fans and ga some just aren't wild for it like critics and other spider-man fans.many here disagree with me and think its best spider-man film ever with best actor ever as spider-man.

Batman begins back in 2005 was huge improvement over b&R at box office and without adjusting for inflation did best for batman films since first batman film.now it could be apart from some not liking the changes some just didn't want another spider-man reboot.

 

[Darepool]

One only need look at the poll results to see what most reasonable expected. The film will finish in line with those predictions.

 

[StormC]

Batman begins back in 2005 was huge improvement over b&R at box office and without adjusting for inflation did best for batman films since first batman film.now it could be apart from some not liking the changes some just didn't want another spider-man reboot.

"Without adjusting for inflation" shouldn't be underplayed, since those other Batman movies came out 10-15 years after it, and didn't have a budget as big as Begins. Begins wasn't really that big of a success in terms of BO, but it actually did really well on home video, which I'm sure was partially why WB greenlit the sequel.

 

[Arach Knight]

After seeing Apes, I am really curious to see how it stacks up to Spider-Man. The films honestly couldn't be any more different, and I think that's good so they won't fight against each other too much.

War for the of Planet Apes already toppled Spider-Man:Homecoming on Friday. The only question that remains is whether or not that momentum will carry across the entire weekend, and keep Homecoming in second place.

I already predicted that War for the Planet of the Apes, as well as Dunkirk, would derail Homecoming's market dominance, and it would seem that thus far I have been correct.

Director Matt Reeves' War for the Planet of the Apes is stomping past holdover Spider-Man: Homecoming at the North American box office, topping Friday's chart with $22.1 million from 4,022 theaters for a projected $57.5 million debut.

Heading into the weekend, it was unclear whether the final installment in 20th Century Fox's refurbished trilogy would be able to beat Sony's Spider-Man, which swung to a stellar $117 million last weekend.

Apes is performing ahead of expectations but will still open behind the 2014 sequel, Dawn of the Planet of the Apes ($72.6 million). It will, however, best the 2011 film, Rise of the Planet of the Apes ($54.8 million). Friday's haul included $5 million in Thursday-night previews.

Spider-Man: Homecoming grossed around $13.7 million Friday from 4,348 cinemas for a sophomore outing of $47 million-$48 million. That would mean a decline of 60 percent or 59 percent, a bigger drop than the summer's two other superhero sensations, Wonder Woman, which fell a scant 43 percent, and Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 (56 percent), but certainly in keeping with many other comic book adaptations. Sony's Spider-Man reboot will finish the weekend with a tidy domestic total of roughly $210 million.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/ne...et-apes-beating-spider-man-homecoming-1021303

 

[Faith_Cassidy]

the box office is surprising to me since i thought MCU brand and downey appearing in film would add more and it would be bigger hit than it appears.i was thinking from getgo nomatter my personal oporion of film it would be closer to 400 million domesticly.instead wonder woman and gotg vol 2 will
beat it.

you have to conclude among spider-man fans and ga some just aren't wild for it like critics and other spider-man fans.many here disagree with me and think its best spider-man film ever with best actor ever as spider-man.

Batman begins back in 2005 was huge improvement over b&R at box office and without adjusting for inflation did best for batman films since first batman film.now it could be apart from some not liking the changes some just didn't want another spider-man reboot.

I'd say it's more likely that some just weren't interested in another spidey reboot than the ga not being wild about. The data we have about audience reception all points to SMH being well received by moviegoers.

It was always going to be a long shot for spidey to reach 400M, MCU brand or not. 300+M is a very good start for a property that is only a few years removed from a lukewarm reboot. I certainly can't think of any other CBM that would have done better under the same circumstances.

 

[gerrym51]

my opinion is spider man will get 42 million this weekend

 

[FunkMiller]

"Without adjusting for inflation" shouldn't be underplayed, since those other Batman movies came out 10-15 years after it, and didn't have a budget as big as Begins. Begins wasn't really that big of a success in terms of BO, but it actually did really well on home video, which I'm sure was partially why WB greenlit the sequel.

Just as an FYI on this:

In today's money BB did 260 million domestic.
Its second weekend drop was only 43% - the same as Wonder Woman's.

 

[StormC]

Just as an FYI on this:

In today's money BB did 260 million domestic.
Its second weekend drop was only 43% - the same as Wonder Woman's.

Begins opened midweek, didn't it?

 

[iEquinox]

Yeah, Batman Begins opened on a Wednesday. The second weekend drop can't be compared to a movie opening on a Friday.

It also sold fewer tickets than three of the Batman movies preceding it. Estimated to be about half the amount that Batman '89 sold.

 

[The Chris]

I wish less big movies came out so soon after each other as well because considering the quality of Rise and Dawn and it's own reviews War for the planet of the apes should be doing better too.

 

[StormC]

I honestly think WOM for War will be weaker than Rise and Dawn. I really liked the movie but the trailers sold it as an action movie.

 

[C. Lee]

For repeated trolling with multiple accounts I think mods should apply IP-ban, not just account ban.

And.....ever occur to anyone that trolls figure out how to get around IP bans by having things like roving IPs set up?

 

[Tymminator]

Me right now:

What were you expecting? 400M+ DOM after a 117M OW? People think it's "disappointing" if it doesn't beat BvS domestic gross??

Everything seems to be going pretty much as expected. Not sure why people are overreacting.

Yep.

It's doing very well, but it seems like most people in here don't have much of an idea how box office really works and are taking a standard drop as a bad sign. Reading these last few pages you'd think it would be lucky to make $250M or something.

Let's make a quick comparison to Man of Steel:

Homecoming was $11.7M behind Man of Steel after the opening weekend. After the second weekend, Man of Steel was at 210.08M after the second Sunday. According to the most recent estimates, Homecoming will be slightly ahead of that after Sunday. So Homecoming will already have pretty much completely closed that gap in just 7 days time. Man of Steel finished with $291M, so it looks like Homecoming should make it to at least $300M domestic, with a good chance of making more. $300-350M should be the realistic range. And that's a great number by all measures. It looks to be the number 3 biggest movie of the whole summer domestically, with a chance of finishing even higher worldwide.

People in here are just overreacting over nothing because they don't know what the second weekend drop means. Either that or they had ridiculously high and unrealistic expectations for Homecoming's final box office.

I'd say it's more likely that some just weren't interested in another spidey reboot than the ga not being wild about. The data we have about audience reception all points to SMH being well received by moviegoers.

It was always going to be a long shot for spidey to reach 400M, MCU brand or not. 300+M is a very good start for a property that is only a few years removed from a lukewarm reboot. I certainly can't think of any other CBM that would have done better under the same circumstances.

Indeed. I've been with a few different crowds and the audience reaction is solid and positive, if I hadn't read any online forums I would not had been hearing many of the complaints from comic fans venting online as when I talk to fellow comic fans in RL at my comic shop or at work (from ages teen to almost 60) except for a few of them that had issues with a few bits here and there, they all still overall loved the movie and were excited to see where it goes.

There does seem to be more "spider-fatigue" in that GA/people see a new Spider-man and a new direction for him every five seconds from their POV, but those that actually went to go see it seem to obviously enjoy it. I think commiting to one Spider-man and its direction for the a good spell will also help stabilize it towards a positive direction.

It's doing well overall, people just don't always understand how these things go, especially in the early weeks of release.

 

[Mike Murdock]

WOTPOTA isn't doing well at all. It'll fail to reach the OW numbers of Dawn & it seems that even Rise will out-gross War in terms of the OW.

They're almost certainly cannibalizing each other, though.

 

[gerrym51]

RTH at BOT says spidey did 19 million saturday. Now looks like at least a 48 million week end to me.