BvS The BvS Rumor/Speculation Discussion Thread! - Part 1

[GL's Light]

Perhaps the version of Aquaman that was released is from that future?

Doubt it.

 

[Protar]

Is it bad that I'd much rather see a post-apocalyptic batman film with evil superman and his army of zealot soldiers as the villains? If they ever get this DCCU off the ground they need to start doing elseworld movies at some point.

 

[McbrideMike]

I sincerely doubt (and hope) that Doomsday is in this film. I think the scene from the trailer where Bruce sees the heat vision destroying the city is most likely pointing to Bizarro, the creation from Lex using the late Zod and Supermans DNA. That would make sense as to why the three heroes would have to set aside differences and come together to stop a "bizarre" clone of superman who is more than okay with killing (I mean, a being with supermans powers who does not hold back is pretty terrifying). This is just my opinion, but the one that fits the best. I think a 2nd movie is way to soon to introduce a villain like Doomsday. I may be wrong, but I just think it would be FAR to much. Then again, maybe there is no 2nd villain. Maybe it is just lex in a super powerful mech suit fueled by kryptonite which he obtained (or created) by messing with Zods corpse. But my money is in Bizarro.

 

[Protar]

If it is Bizarro it's not going to be a copy of Superman but rather a resurrected, genetically modified Zod from the looks of it.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I sincerely doubt (and hope) that Doomsday is in this film. I think the scene from the trailer where Bruce sees the heat vision destroying the city is most likely pointing to Bizarro, the creation from Lex using the late Zod and Supermans DNA. That would make sense as to why the three heroes would have to set aside differences and come together to stop a "bizarre" clone of superman who is more than okay with killing (I mean, a being with supermans powers who does not hold back is pretty terrifying). This is just my opinion, but the one that fits the best. I think a 2nd movie is way to soon to introduce a villain like Doomsday. I may be wrong, but I just think it would be FAR to much. Then again, maybe there is no 2nd villain. Maybe it is just lex in a super powerful mech suit fueled by kryptonite which he obtained (or created) by messing with Zods corpse. But my money is in Bizarro.

The scene with him watching the heat vision is from the Battle Of Metropolis in MOS. That IS Zod from when his heat vision activated.

 

[McbrideMike]

Unless, Lex tricks SM into giving over some of his DNA (got this from the scene in the trailer where Superman is bowing before Lex) or Lex takes it after weakening SM with Kryptonite. Then, Lex would mix it with Zods DNA and the freak outcome of the clone would be Bizarro. Its a shot I the dark, but it is possible. This would also completely make sense as to what ignites Superman and Lex's unending rivaly and to why Superman would never trust Lex again.

 

[Black Narcissus]

This thought came to me... If "Desert Storm" Batman vs. "The Super Troopers" is a glimpse of the future of a world devastated by a "Bizarre" version of Supes, then I think this may also be a part of the film where we get some of the connective tissue of the wider universe with the other heroes being referenced as the forces that opposed and fell against "Superman" leaving few left alive. Assuming that... Perhaps the version of Aquaman that was released is from that future?

Sir, I'm the one who smoked some funky stuff and this is even out there for me.

 

[InJustice]

As others have stated, I have hard time that they wouldn't have mentioned anything about Doomsday or any other villain at this point if they were in the film. Usually the villain is a huge selling feature of these films, and having Doomsday on film would be a pretty big deal I think. So much so, I don't know if they'd want to give up valuable screen time to lex,bats,ww, etc without properly showcasing him. I could see a cameo or a hint near the end though.

I think that's why we haven't heard from Snyder or anyone else hyping Doomsday (whereas they were hyping Zod in Man of Steel). With the trailer showing Zod's body, and LexCorp clearly doing research, it's looking more and more likely that we're getting a reanimation of Zod, creation of Bizarro, or something like a bastardized version of Azzarello's Hope in LL: Man of Steel.

 

[Unbreakable Lex]

There's only one Doomsday right? His character was only used that one time as a plot device to kill Superman right? He's never appeared ever again, only there to kill Superman right?

No?

So why is the only acceptable version of Doomsday the one from Death of Superman? Isn't it obvious that somehow Lex reanimates something from Zod, that the producers and creators of this movie refer to as Doomsday?

And... since this is "dawn of Justice", isn't also logical to conclude that Superman doesn't fight Doomsday one on one? So Superman vs Doomsday one on one won't happen, therefore, Superman won't be in nearly the same peril he was in DOS.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Sir, I'm the one who smoked some funky stuff and this is even out there for me.

If it turns out I'm right you best be treating me to some Popeye's chicken.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

There's only one Doomsday right? His character was only used that one time as a plot device to kill Superman right? He's never appeared ever again, only there to kill Superman right?

No?

So why is the only acceptable version of Doomsday the one from Death of Superman? Isn't it obvious that somehow Lex reanimates something from Zod, that the producers and creators of this movie refer to as Doomsday?

And... since this is "dawn of Justice", isn't also logical to conclude that Superman doesn't fight Doomsday one on one? So Superman vs Doomsday one on one won't happen, therefore, Superman won't be in nearly the same peril he was in DOS.

To be fair to the classic story, he didn't start out fighting him alone. The League of that era started the fight with him. They just got decimated leaving Supes alone to face the monster.

 

[McbrideMike]

To be fair to the classic story, he didn't start out fighting him alone. The League of that era started the fight with him. They just got decimated leaving Supes alone to face the monster.

Exactly, so unless we end up seeing BM, WW, and AM get whipped out during their first film reveal in this new universe I can not really see the Doomsday angle.

Unless they pull a Smallville where Superman fights Doomsday for a brief time and realizes he can not be killed so he burries him deep in the earth to one day later resurface to fight and kill the Man of Steel.

 

[Snakewise]

"Do you bleed? You will!" So what if Lex manipulates Batman into fighting Superman and ends up with some dna from the scene of the fight for purposes of creating Bizarro?

 

[MaceB]

There's only one Doomsday right? His character was only used that one time as a plot device to kill Superman right? He's never appeared ever again, only there to kill Superman right?

No?

So why is the only acceptable version of Doomsday the one from Death of Superman? Isn't it obvious that somehow Lex reanimates something from Zod, that the producers and creators of this movie refer to as Doomsday?

And... since this is "dawn of Justice", isn't also logical to conclude that Superman doesn't fight Doomsday one on one? So Superman vs Doomsday one on one won't happen, therefore, Superman won't be in nearly the same peril he was in DOS.

Wouldn't you be disappointed if they used a villain with a very clear signature, only to ignore it? I mean... yes, Doomsday has been used since the Death of Superman storyline, but so have many other strong villains who aren't known for killing the man of steel. What would be the advantage of using Doomsday without using the moment that he is most known for? They could go with Metallo, Parasite, Bizarro, and others if they just wanted an imposing villain. They'd work just as good. Using Doomsday at this juncture feels like a shortsighted grab for money IMO. Just me.

 

[Sam Kaczka]

I think that's why we haven't heard from Snyder or anyone else hyping Doomsday (whereas they were hyping Zod in Man of Steel). With the trailer showing Zod's body, and LexCorp clearly doing research, it's looking more and more likely that we're getting a reanimation of Zod, creation of Bizarro, or something like a bastardized version of Azzarello's Hope in LL: Man of Steel.

I haven't read Lex Luthor: Man of Steel yet. Is it good?

There's only one Doomsday right? His character was only used that one time as a plot device to kill Superman right? He's never appeared ever again, only there to kill Superman right?

No?

So why is the only acceptable version of Doomsday the one from Death of Superman? Isn't it obvious that somehow Lex reanimates something from Zod, that the producers and creators of this movie refer to as Doomsday?

And... since this is "dawn of Justice", isn't also logical to conclude that Superman doesn't fight Doomsday one on one? So Superman vs Doomsday one on one won't happen, therefore, Superman won't be in nearly the same peril he was in DOS.

I thought there was only one comic book version of Doomsday.

 

[McbrideMike]

My summarized prediction of the BVS movie:

Batman witnesses the fight between Superman and Zod leveling a Wayne building and, obviously, half the city. He has a vision of Superman becoming a tyrant and forcing the world into submission with his appointed army "sons of superman". Upon awakening, he decides he must stop Superman before his vision can come true. Problem is, Superman is obviously hard to track down. So batman goes on a destruction spree of vigilantism instead of his normal silent and in the shadows approach in order to draw superman out. It works (the scene where superman rips the doors off of the batmobile) and Superman warns Batman to stop his rein of terror or he will put an end to it. They have a brief confrontation and superman quickly shows Batman he stands no chance against him. After this, batman teams with Lex, who has acquired Zods body, to come up with a way to stop Superman, hence Kryptonite is created. Batman creates a armored suit, or uses an existing one (which would explain the wear and tear on the armor), and augments it with kryptonite. However, Lex manipulates batman and superman in order to get supermans DNA. With it, he fuses it with Zods in an attempt to create a "cloned" superman to rival the man of steel, however, this mixture yields a "bizarre" creation easily manipulated by Lex. After Lex convinces Bizarro that he is the exact opposite of superman and superman is the enemy, bizarro takes it very literally and does everything opposite of superman (killing) thinking he is doing good. Batman, Superman must then come together along with the help of WW to stop this bizarre new creation. Upon stopping Bizarro, as they all believe the fight is over, Lex emerges for one final battle of pure frustration and anger with his mech suit armed with Kryptonite. The three heroes emerge victorious, obviously, and agree to join forces as neither could have handled both those enemies alone. Then, in a post or after credits scene, we see Aquaman introduce himself after finding out that there are others like him in the world and then close with a glimpse of the assembly of the JLA headquarters.

All guesswork, but its my best shot at explaining the trailer and theories.

 

[roach]

Here is Part One of my breakdown of the new Batman v Superman trailer and my thoughts on it. I think the most important things about this trailer are not what we see but what we hear.


We open up on Holly Hunter’s Senator:
“Today is a day of Truth.
Superman lands in Washington DC
“The World needs to know what happened and to know what he stands for.”

This is a reference to Superman standing for Truth, Justice and the American Way.
“That kind of power is very dangerous.”

Theory: The committee may not be to answer for Zod’s attack in the first movie. She mentions that the world needs to know what happened. The US Government should know exactly what happened since they teamed up with Superman to take down the World Engine. We also see a statue erected to Superman in honor of saving the planet. I believe something happened that turned public opinion against Superman.

Next we see that Bruce is in Metropolis during the attack and witnesses his building fall…may even be talking to someone in that building. Bruce has a determined look in his eye while we hear via voice over that the committee holds him responsible. Again I don’t think they are talking about the Zod attack but something else happens. This new event kicks off the anti-superman sentiment.

We see shots of a broken down Wayne Manor, the new kick ass Bat cave. Then we see Bruce reacting to a letter stating, “You let your family die.” Bruce has an intense look on his face.

End Part One

 

[roach]

Part Two

“That’s how it starts…the fever…the rage…that turn goo men cruel.”
We hear a modified line from the first teaser. A line is cut from it “The feeling of powerlessness…”

We see what is getting Bruce all feverish. He witnessed a building of his people fall. We see Bruce doing some training and looking at the suit. Alfred gives a contemptuous look. He doesn’t like the man Bruce is becoming.

We see a GCPD police car sliding to a halt. Cops see a batarang and a chained up beat up criminal with a bat branded into his chest.

“This Bat vigilante is like a one man reign of terror.” Clark says.
“You don’t get to decide what the right thing is. No one cares about Clark Kent taking on the Batman.”

Here we start to see the differing methods each hero uses. We also see that they don’t like each other. Bruce is furious over all the damage Superman caused. Clark sees Batman as a menace to be stopped.

We have a scene with Lois and Superman.
“This means something. Its all some people have. It gives them hope.”
We see Superman hovering over flood victims.

“People hate what they don’t understand. Be their hero, Clark. Be their angel. Be their monument. Be anything they need you to be or be none of it. You don’t owe this world a thing. You never did.”

Theory: From the sound of these two scenes it seems as if the government has ordered him to stop being Superman. He’s getting advice from Lois and Martha. Obviously he tells them no.

End Part Two

 

[roach]

Part Three

The Senator goes to see Lex Luthor.
“Do you know the oldest lie in America, Senator”.

“Devils don’t come from hell beneath us. They come from the sky.”
These two sentences are weird to me. I don’t think they are right next to each other. I think Lex says something else is the oldest lie in America and it may tie into his red coats reference.



Next we see Superman kneeling. Lex almost touches him and. He smirks and Superman gives him a look that can kill. I think this is the scene where Superman is either depowered or feeling the effects of the kryptonite.

Theory: With these two scenes I think the senator didn’t take too kindly to Superman rejecting their order and she goes to Lex to come up with a way to stop Superman. We see the military deliver Zod’s body to Lex. I think they gave it to him to find out a weakness and to test weapons on Zod’s still superhuman body. According to the comics (I realize this may not apply but here goes) even in death kryptonian bodies are still invincible even in death. Superman's hair, which is dead cells, is as super strong and requires special circumstances to shave or get a hair cut.

End Part Three

 

[roach]

I'll continue it tomorrow

 

[adeel7861]

We see him saving the Russian astronauts when the rocket explodes. Maybe that's what pissed off the US govt? Him going into Russian territory.

 

[dhandler01]

roach I think you are right...the Senate hearing is not about the Zod fight, it is about something else and it is probably not how the movie opens. I also agree with those that think something bad happens there, either an attack or Superman loses control of his powers but something becomes the impetus for Bruce to want to take down Clark and it goes beyond the Zod fight...

Off the wall idea...I wonder if perhaps the "and I must destroy him" line isnt about Superman at all...I mean of course it probably is but what if it is actually about Luthor or Joker. Highly unlikely but it ran through my head...

 

[sf2]

I'll continue it tomorrow

nicely done the analysis.

 

[WoodyROM]

Love the analysis Roach. Ready for part 4

 

[G.Godfrey]

We open up on Holly Hunter’s Senator:
“Today is a day of Truth.
Superman lands in Washington DC
“The World needs to know what happened and to know what he stands for.”

This is a reference to Superman standing for Truth, Justice and the American Way.
“That kind of power is very dangerous.”

Theory: The committee may not be to answer for Zod’s attack in the first movie. She mentions that the world needs to know what happened. The US Government should know exactly what happened since they teamed up with Superman to take down the World Engine. We also see a statue erected to Superman in honor of saving the planet. I believe something happened that turned public opinion against Superman.

I don't know if people discussed this but I think some serious s*** is gonna go down at that hearing. I remember some site, I think it was batman-news posting an article with a scoop that a large action scene will take place in Washington. And in the trailer you can see a shoot of Amy's Lois crouching down in fear and she is clearly standing among the protesters we see in DC. And the way Superman looks up in front of that committee looked just off/weird to me and now I remembered why. He makes similar (but less exaggerated) facial expression as he did on Zod ships just as the Kryptonian atmosphere kicked in and he felt it and got sick. He looks like something is not right with him in that shoot as well. Maybe I'm reading too much into it? That supposed plot outline which may or may not be real mentioned something about a trigger of Luthor's that activates during that scene and makes Superman's powers go berserk causing massive damage and destroying the building, making Superman look like a villain. Now I don't really believe that plot outline is real and I would rather this not happen but I'm pretty sure something WILL happen during that hearing just based on that shot with Amy and the scoop from months ago.