BvS The BvS Rumor/Speculation Discussion Thread! - Part 2

[DlAMONDZ]

Those drawings

Tbh it looks like a trash bag to me. Maybe Dexter dumped one of his bodies there

 

[Captain Tired]

Certainly the manliest looking kneecap I've ever seen.

 

[Marz69]

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dhandler01:
I really dont think it is...I think you guys are convincing yourself something is there when it isnt.

Think about it, why would Aquaman be trapped...and not only trapped but trapped UNDER WATER! He is the King of the Seas and has telepathy with animals you telling me he needs some random little kid to come find him and save him?

I think it is more plausible somehow Lex captured Arthur and kept him in a lab and I truly dont believe that at all

roach:
Snyder is going to want Aquaman be a badass...nothing negates that more than being captured and having a bag put over his head...in water.

What if Aquaman was knocked out from the impact during MOS.

I could totally see the movie starting with MOS and its impact on the characters. Bruce in Metropolis. Victor in metropolis playing football & then getting injured on the ride home with and end scene of him in Lex' lab. Aquaman gets knocked out during the world engine.

on another note: it would be cool if Aquaman did save superman during MOS oil rig scene and superman remembers seeing him. He may think it wasn't real until he actually sees aquaman again & we can get a flashback

 

[Sean of Justice]

He probably let Swanwick have it.

Fixed.

I would imagine some associative guilt happening there. All this destruction happened by the hands of his own race. Earth helped defeat them, now this stuff is on their turf, it's their bounty, it's for them to do as they see fit. He can't begin his tenure as a hero being authoritative about what they can and cannot do. At that point it would be a stretch to imagine that they could create a Doomsday out of Zod's body, or a kryptonite, having never happened before.

Kryptonite is Kryptonian meteorite. Kryptonite has been Kryptonian meteorite for over 70 years. I REEEALLY hope they don't change it into a man-made thing.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

Im fine with it being meteorite, or a result of the world engine.

 

[Sean of Justice]

Im fine with it being meteorite, or a result of the world engine.

I don't like that either. I just want it to be what it is.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

I like the world engine idea. it makes me think that even if zod would've succeeded, the earths material would've been turned to kryptonite and they wouldve died anyway. Further pushing the idea that krypton was doomed by fate.

 

[Sean of Justice]

I like the world engine idea. it makes me think that even if zod would've succeeded, the earths material would've been turned to kryptonite and they wouldve died anyway. Further pushing the idea that krypton was doomed by fate.

It's just messing with canon too much IMO. AFAIC, Kryptonite means remnants from Krypton. I don't wanna see them messing with something that's been established and unaltered for 75 years, and I'll be really disappointed if they do.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

Pretty minor change to the canon imo. there have already been plenty changes to the overall canon already and there will continue to be. Its just the nature of writing a comic into live action.

 

[dhandler01]

Kryptonite wasnt part of the original canon, it didnt come around until the radio show. Shifting its origin wont change anything. No one seemed to mind that the change in atmosphere was what weakened Superman in MOS despite that not being part of canon previously.

As for Aquaman being trapped due to the World Engine, it still doesnt *ahem* hold water because unless he is in a coma he will end up awakening and he can just get a whale or something to help him. Snyder wants Arthur to be a badass, so much so that when the radio station in Detroit was dogging the character he called up to TELL THEM why he was a badass. (even though there was only a rumor that Arthur was in the movie and who was cast) he isnt going to punk him by having some 12 year old snorkel to save him. What you are probably seeing is the K-rock and the kid is going to get it cause it is green and looks cool

 

[Sean of Justice]

Pretty minor change to the canon imo. there have already been plenty changes to the overall canon already and there will continue to be. Its just the nature of writing a comic into live action.

Kryptonite wasnt part of the original canon, it didnt come around until the radio show. Shifting its origin wont change anything. No one seemed to mind that the change in atmosphere was what weakened Superman in MOS despite that not being part of canon previously.

Canon to me does not necessarily mean original canon. Canon to me just means anything that's been established for a really long time without any significant alterations. Kryptonite may have only been invented for the radio show, but it's been around for 75 years now. That, in my book, makes it canon. And in all that time, it's been remnants from Krypton. To mess with that now would be a significant enough alteration to really disappoint me.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

I wouldn't want it to be man made, but as long as its a glowing green rock that weakens superman then I'm fine. Whether it comes from krypton or is a result of radiation from the world engine i could care less.

 

[Hurm...]

It just seems terribly coincidental and convenient if all of the heroes are directly impacted by MOS's events.

It depends on how it is executed, but on paper, it looks kinda lazy.

 

[Charlatan]

Kryptonite is a radioactive ore from Krypton. Yes in the comics it fell to Earth as meteorites because the planet exploded. But in the cinematic universe it's likely that they used it as a power source much like we use radioactive ore on a nuclear submarine.
So when the World Engine was destroyed it's possible that it was recovered in the wreckage by Lex.
But that object you see in the shot isn't Kryptonite. It's buoyant whatever it is and it does look like Momoa's back ,shoulder and back of his head.

 

[Charlatan]

It just seems terribly coincidental and convenient if all of the heroes are directly impacted by MOS's events.

It depends on how it is executed, but on paper, it looks kinda lazy.

I don't think Aquaman responding to the World Machine wreaking havoc in the Indian Ocean as being too much of a stretch. I think he tried to stop it and got knocked out by it. Lex's people arriving soon after it was destroyed to salvage it first is also probable.

 

[dhandler01]

Canon to me does not necessarily mean original canon. Canon to me just means anything that's been established for a really long time without any significant alterations. Kryptonite may have only been invented for the radio show, but it's been around for 75 years now. That, in my book, makes it canon. And in all that time, it's been remnants from Krypton. To mess with that now would be a significant enough alteration to really disappoint me.

So then you must dislike the atmosphere weakening Superman...that is a significant change in canon.

And I am sorry I dont see a person in the under water scene...and why would Lex employ a little boy to help him recover an unconscious Aquaman? (that is a tiny person with no top on so it isnt some henchmen or Mercy Graves) Just looks like normal coral reef to me where a piece of k-rock probably fell.

 

[Sean of Justice]

Kryptonite is a radioactive ore from Krypton. Yes in the comics it fell to Earth as meteorites because the planet exploded. But in the cinematic universe it's likely that they used it as a power source much like we use radioactive ore on a nuclear submarine.
So when the World Engine was destroyed it's possible that it was recovered in the wreckage by Lex.
But that object you see in the shot isn't Kryptonite. It's buoyant whatever it is and it does look like Momoa's back ,shoulder and back of his head.

Well that I'd be OK with. As long as it came from Krypton, not from Earth.

 

[Sean of Justice]

So then you must dislike the atmosphere weakening Superman...that is a significant change in canon.

And I am sorry I dont see a person in the under water scene...and why would Lex employ a little boy to help him recover an unconscious Aquaman? (that is a tiny person with no top on so it isnt some henchmen or Mercy Graves) Just looks like normal coral reef to me where a piece of k-rock probably fell.

I don't consider it significant.

 

[dhandler01]

I consider it the same thing. K-rock created when trying to turn Earth into Krypton isnt that much of a deviation. It makes more sense then the stupid way Lex got Kryptonite in Superman the Movie as well. It is a consequence of what happened, further showing that Clark and Krypton just dont mix.

Remember there are plenty of comics where Clark has traveled back in time and been on Krypton and he never got sick from the atmosphere...he just got depowered by the Red Sun.

 

[Sean of Justice]

I consider it the same thing. K-rock created when trying to turn Earth into Krypton isnt that much of a deviation. It makes more sense then the stupid way Lex got Kryptonite in Superman the Movie as well. It is a consequence of what happened, further showing that Clark and Krypton just dont mix.

Remember there are plenty of comics where Clark has traveled back in time and been on Krypton and he never got sick from the atmosphere...he just got depowered by the Red Sun.

Well I agree that was nonsensical. But look, you and I just have different viewpoints on what is a big change and what isn't.

End of.

 

[dhandler01]

I wasnt attacking you...just having a friendly discussion on a lazy Sunday I am not here to change minds just have fun!

 

[Boy Scout]

Kryptonite wasnt part of the original canon, it didnt come around until the radio show. Shifting its origin wont change anything. No one seemed to mind that the change in atmosphere was what weakened Superman in MOS despite that not being part of canon previously.

I thought that was pretty stupid, actually.

 

[roach]

The idea that krypton's bits could make it to Earth seems far fetched. A logical idea would be the World Engine's terraforming did something to the Earth and created kryptonite.

 

[Verick808]

I thought that was pretty stupid, actually.

Yeah, a man who can survive the vacuum of space getting weakened because he can't breathe in the atmosphere of his own home world is pretty ridiculous. Would have preferred the film to leave that and his battle with the world engine out.

 

[Bane Cook]

I think the original canon for Kryptonite being able to hurt Superman makes no sense to me and I think wouldn't really work in this universe. I would much rather the origin for Kryptonite be that Luther is doing experiments on Zod's body and figuring out what can hurt Zod's cells most effectively. He's able to synthesize something that weakens Kryptonians and as a results of his lab experiments causes him to lose hair via radiation or something.