BvS The BvS Rumor/Speculation Discussion Thread! - Part 2

[dhandler01]

Yeah, a man who can survive the vacuum of space getting weakened because he can't breathe in the atmosphere of his own home world is pretty ridiculous. Would have preferred the film to leave that and his battle with the world engine out.

But he hardly ever breathed the air of Krypton, the makeup would be completely foreign to his lungs after 30 years.

 

[Boy Scout]

Yeah, a man who can survive the vacuum of space getting weakened because he can't breathe in the atmosphere of his own home world is pretty ridiculous. Would have preferred the film to leave that and his battle with the world engine out.

Well, that, and I thought it was a really pointless change. The sun is what gives Superman his powers. The end. There's no good reason to change that.

 

[Naked Shia]

Yes, the yellow sun. Except there actually isn't such a thing as a yellow sun. ��

 

[godisawesome]

Yeah, a man who can survive the vacuum of space getting weakened because he can't breathe in the atmosphere of his own home world is pretty ridiculous. Would have preferred the film to leave that and his battle with the world engine out.

Eh, Post Crisis rules: Kryptonians can hold their breath for a long time, plus the idea that a Kryptonian's atmosphere is somehow less dense in oxygen might be born out in MOS, considering that Clark is exposed to it for a long time before it actually effects him, and he recovers consiousness and stabilizes quickly. And I've got a pet theory that the atmosphere's composition is what triggers the gravity warping flight ability: only Zod and Superman fly, while Faora hovers between shots in the plane, and all three of them were exposed to the atmosphere without helmets able to activate.

My main thing with kryptonite is I want a limited, finite and short supply. Make that chunk Luthor has all the kryptonite in the solar system, and suddenly it becomes a resource. Don't make it something Earth science can synthesize; that opens way too many plot holes about why Luthor can't quickly kill Superman. I also prefer the idea that the World Engine either contains it as a power source or creates kryptonite, and that the process is so complicated and energy reliant that even other interstellar foes like Brainiac and Darkseid can't quite replicate it without doing something on par with terraforming a planet. Makes it special and much cooler than a generic Achilles heel plot device.

My number one goal would be to forever cast out any kind of kryptonite situation where it become a lazy man's plot developer, like in the Silver Age or in Smallville.

 

[Chubz-EL]

Eh, Post Crisis rules: Kryptonians can hold their breath for a long time, plus the idea that a Kryptonian's atmosphere is somehow less dense in oxygen might be born out in MOS, considering that Clark is exposed to it for a long time before it actually effects him, and he recovers consiousness and stabilizes quickly. And I've got a pet theory that the atmosphere's composition is what triggers the gravity warping flight ability: only Zod and Superman fly, while Faora hovers between shots in the plane, and all three of them were exposed to the atmosphere without helmets able to activate.

My main thing with kryptonite is I want a limited, finite and short supply. Make that chunk Luthor has all the kryptonite in the solar system, and suddenly it becomes a resource. Don't make it something Earth science can synthesize; that opens way too many plot holes about why Luthor can't quickly kill Superman. I also prefer the idea that the World Engine either contains it as a power source or creates kryptonite, and that the process is so complicated and energy reliant that even other interstellar foes like Brainiac and Darkseid can't quite replicate it without doing something on par with terraforming a planet. Makes it special and much cooler than a generic Achilles heel plot device.

My number one goal would be to forever cast out any kind of kryptonite situation where it become a lazy man's plot developer, like in the Silver Age or in Smallville.

I completely agree. It has to be finite. I was thinking that maybe kryptonite powers the side arms and plasma shooting guns of the of the Kryptonian ships. Possibly even powering the phantom drives.

I saw someone mentioning what makes Superman able to fly in this MOS led universe. it's actually all right there in MOS, he forces his energy to become somewhat of a gravitational pole. As you can see when the rocks starting rotating around his hand.

 

[britmotley]

Why does Alfred look like Tony Stark
I also cannot understand an older Batman,and a younger Alfred

 

[Superchan]

I saw someone mentioning what makes Superman able to fly in this MOS led universe. it's actually all right there in MOS, he forces his energy to become somewhat of a gravitational pole. As you can see when the rocks starting rotating around his hand.

In the documentary "the science of superman" (yeah it exists, check out youtube) a physicist who also happens to be a superman fan thought superman has the ability to manipulate gravitons (theoretical gravity particles) around his body and that's how he can fly.
If we continue with that theory then superman could also theoretically develop the power to control gravity (as if he needs anymore powers!).

For me personally the 'how' of superman flying should never be discussed in detail because it would end up like Lucas's medochlorians and that's not a good thing.

 

[roach]

Yeah, a man who can survive the vacuum of space getting weakened because he can't breathe in the atmosphere of his own home world is pretty ridiculous. Would have preferred the film to leave that and his battle with the world engine out.

Snyder has said his Superman can't survive in outer space

 

[antoineflemming]

In the documentary "the science of superman" (yeah it exists, check out youtube) a physicist who also happens to be a superman fan thought superman has the ability to manipulate gravitons (theoretical gravity particles) around his body and that's how he can fly.
If we continue with that theory then superman could also theoretically develop the power to control gravity (as if he needs anymore powers!).

For me personally the 'how' of superman flying should never be discussed in detail because it would end up like Lucas's medochlorians and that's not a good thing.

That's exactly what Zod was doing in MOS.

 

[antoineflemming]

Why does Alfred look like Tony Stark
I also cannot understand an older Batman,and a younger Alfred

What?

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I had no problem with them stateing that Superman's powers are a function of a combination of factors. Lets remember that at first in the Golden Age that he was "super" simply because of his people being like that and the lesser gravity of Earth as compared to Krypton. Don't believe me? Siegel and Shuster have Jor-el running at super speed and jumping great distances in their comic strip. And the difference in gravity is explained in either Action #1 or Superman #1.

The Yellow Sun explanation came later and was added to the reasons for his great array of powers. The atmosphere stuff seems fine to me as an addition. In MOS it's clearly not the SOLE reason he has powers as we see the other Kryptonians having great strength and invulnerability when in their contact suits.

And I also think that MOS Superman is very much a Post Crisis Superman, who wasn't a Superman capable of indefinite space flight and surviving in the vacuum without oxygen for extended periods. If anything the Kryptonion atmosphere thing is just another example of how things from his homeworld are actually the most dangerous to him: Kryptonite, Red Sun rays and now the atmospheric conditions of Krypton.

Plus... Aren't fans always complaining about Kryptonite being a crutch for drama? So... We are given something else and... fans are still complaining.

 

[TripleJ]

Yeah, a man who can survive the vacuum of space getting weakened because he can't breathe in the atmosphere of his own home world is pretty ridiculous. Would have preferred the film to leave that and his battle with the world engine out.

I don't think he was weakened..rather, exposing him to the Kryptonian atmosphere forced his body cells to behave normally, like they would (in Krypton).

But, since it was his first time in the atmosphere, it had a dramatic effect on him (hence bleeding from his mouth).

I think over time he gets used to it (he was able to 'overcome' it while fighting the Terraforming machine in the Indian Ocean).

Still, I think Lex can find a way to use it to his advantage - create a facility that mimics Kryptonian atmosphere, lure and trap Superman in there.

Plasma/energy guns used by Kryptonians (one of the MOS extras mentioned that the gun was acquired by Star Labs* and was being studied).

*Or Wayne Enterprises/Lex Corp. I don't remember who got hold of the weapons.

The gun could be used against Superman.

Add magic to the mix (assuming this Superman is affected by it) - we will have about 4 weaknesses against Superman, that could be used in different variations/combos by various foes.

 

[roach]

I don't think he was weakened..rather, exposing him to the Kryptonian atmosphere forced his body cells to behave normally, like they would (in Krypton).

But, since it was his first time in the atmosphere, it had a dramatic effect on him (hence bleeding from his mouth).

I think over time he gets used to it (he was able to 'overcome' it while fighting the Terraforming machine in the Indian Ocean).

Still, I think Lex can find a way to use it to his advantage - create a facility that mimics Kryptonian atmosphere, lure and trap Superman in there.

Plasma/energy guns used by Kryptonians (one of the MOS extras mentioned that the gun was acquired by Star Labs* and was being studied).

*Or Wayne Enterprises/Lex Corp. I don't remember who got hold of the weapons.

The gun could be used against Superman.

Add magic to the mix (assuming this Superman is affected by it) - we will have about 4 weaknesses against Superman, that could be used in different variations/combos by various foes.

He was weakened. The scientist guy mentioned that they counter acted his powers.

 

[WitchTrialz]

Why does Alfred look like Tony Stark
I also cannot understand an older Batman,and a younger Alfred

I think you're joking but he looks sixty something to me. If Bruce is forty something that puts Alfred at twenty something when he came on as the Wayne's butler, which make sense to me.

 

[Sean of Justice]

I think you're joking but he looks sixty something to me. If Bruce is forty something that puts Alfred at twenty something when he came on as the Wayne's butler, which make sense to me.

I've always imagined Alfred as older and more experienced when he started working for the Waynes, but I'm willing to put that aside because Irons.

 

[Kal-El.9859]

I think Irons is an excellent choice for Alfred. I can't believe this is even a conversation....but seeing that it's here, I'm not shocked

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Ben is 42. Irons is 66. Both are playing characters who are supposed to be a little older than they actually are. I really don't see any issue of significance.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I think Irons is an excellent choice for Alfred. I can't believe this is even a conversation....but seeing that it's here, I'm not shocked

We really should just assume we are going to read weird nit picks on The Hype.

 

[antoineflemming]

I've always imagined Alfred as older and more experienced when he started working for the Waynes, but I'm willing to put that aside because Irons.

Well, I'd expect him to be a little older when he started working for the Waynes, yes, at least 25 due to his service with the British Armed Forces (is it the BAF that he served with?). But, we don't know when he started working for the Waynes. He could've started after Bruce was born, and could be, at the youngest, only 15 years older than him. It's entirely possible that he could be 20-25 years older than Bruce. Even the animated series didn't portray him as being older than what, 50s?

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Irons as Alfred could easily be a guy closing in on 70. Again... I fail to see the issue here.

 

[WitchTrialz]

I've always imagined Alfred as older and more experienced when he started working for the Waynes, but I'm willing to put that aside because Irons.

I see him as wise and experienced by the time Bruce returns and takes up the cowl. Irons really does look like a fiesty old man that has seen time in the British secret service. Perfect casting.

 

[GL's Light]

Irons is closing in on 70. He'll be 67 in a couple of months.

 

[Sean of Justice]

Well, I'd expect him to be a little older when he started working for the Waynes, yes, at least 25 due to his service with the British Armed Forces (is it the BAF that he served with?). But, we don't know when he started working for the Waynes. He could've started after Bruce was born, and could be, at the youngest, only 15 years older than him. It's entirely possible that he could be 20-25 years older than Bruce. Even the animated series didn't portray him as being older than what, 50s?

I've always thought of Alfred as being around since before Bruce was born. Alfred described Bruce in The Dark Knight Rises as, "someone that I have cared for since I first heard his cries echo through this house". And in the animated series, Alfred looked to me like he was in his mid to late 60s.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I've always thought of Alfred as being around since before Bruce was born. Alfred described Bruce in The Dark Knight Rises as, "someone that I have cared for since I first heard his cries echo through this house". And in the animated series, Alfred looked to me like he was in his mid to late 60s.

And lo and behold... Irons is 66.

 

[Kal-El.9859]

We really should just assume we are going to read weird nit picks on The Hype.

Oh I know. I just find it funny that people will find the most ridiculous things to nit pick over though