BvS The BvS Rumor/Speculation Discussion Thread! - Part 4

[Steve Holt]

What if the The Flash, Cyborg and Aquaman are only in the apocalyptic vision scene. Might explain Miller talking about futuristic kind of flash costume

 

[matt47]

Yeah I think that's the case. I wonder how JL will work as a movie though. Will it be the trinity searching for others? Have they already been found by them?

 

[RadioSha]

Yeah I think that's the case. I wonder how JL will work as a movie though. Will it be the trinity searching for others? Have they already been found by them?

Ooh. Interesting. Perhaps how The Avengers started?

 

[combocaz]

What if the The Flash, Cyborg and Aquaman are only in the apocalyptic vision scene. Might explain Miller talking about futuristic kind of flash costume

i doubt bruce would dream about them.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Yeah... I am down for it being a vision that Diana has which plays out like the DOFP future scenes with cameos by Arthur and Barry and a tease of the forces of Apokalips. That makes sense. I am down for it being a stream of consciousness nightmare Bruce has which is just chock full of strange imagery but doesn't feature anyone else but himself and Superman. Fine. But... Sorry it's just feels off if Bruce is having purely dreams that happen to feature Barry and Arthur never mind the "Para-Demons" of Darkseid.

But I can't argue to hard with Wilkinson. If they do it, I'll be fine as long as it makes sense and is done well.

 

[matt47]

Yeah Bruce dreaming about members of the JL without knowing anything about them would take me out of the movie.

 

[Wally_West]

Rumor is that Batman is aware that they are other people with super powers in this world and keeps files on them. Besides viewing Superman as a threat because he is an alien with a dangerous amount of power, he could also view Superman as a gateway to a rise of dangerous meta-humans that could also be dangerous threats. Hence why he would pay close attentions to reports of meta-human activity, which would put Aquaman and Flash on his radar. So that could explain why Flash, Aquaman and potentially Cyborg could all be in his dream/vision/nightmare as well, because Batman's paranoid dream is world where people with super powers are tyrants with Superman being worse of them all. It would be interesting if this is the case because it could be a good set up for a potential JLA:Tower of Babel/JL: Doom type JL movie down the line.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I still wish we had video/audio of the Wilkinson interview from Brazil because it would clarify things. I think we could be dealing with someone giving an answer in English, it getting translated to Portuguese and then getting translated back to English which would lead to all sorts of miscommunications.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Rumor is that Batman is aware that they are other people with super powers in this world and keeps files on them. Besides viewing Superman as a threat because he is an alien with a dangerous amount of power, he could also view Superman as a gateway to a rise of dangerous meta-humans that could also be dangerous threats. Hence why he would pay close attentions to reports of meta-human activity, which would put Aquaman and Flash on his radar. So that could explain why Flash, Aquaman and potentially Cyborg could all be in his dream/vision/nightmare as well, because Batman's paranoid dream is world where people with super powers are tyrants with Superman being worse of them all. It would be interesting if this is the case because it could be a good set up for a potential JLA:Tower of Babel/JL: Doom type JL movie down the line.

Has Flash even been empowered yet? Has Arthur emerged at all or done anything noteworthy? See, that seems unlikely. The idea that BEFORE these guys have made huge public debuts that Batman has extensive files on them is just improbable to me. That's BatGod stuff. Now... Maybe they already have made their debut but that would beg why apparently the appearance of WW in her full garb and showing her powers and weapons seems to shock Bruce in the trailer and leave him gaping.

 

[Wally_West]

Has Flash even been empowered yet? Has Arthur emerged at all or done anything noteworthy? See, that seems unlikely. The idea that BEFORE these guys have made huge public debuts that Batman has extensive files on them is just improbable to me. That's BatGod stuff. Now... Maybe they already have made their debut but that would beg why apparently the appearance of WW in her full garb and showing her powers and weapons seems to shock Bruce in the trailer and leave him gaping.

I don't see how the bolded part is unlikely at all. I think it is safe to assume Flash has his powers already in BvS and I think both Flash and Aquaman have been active. I don't think that they are Superman level world wide recognizable but I think they are probably still in the rumor stage, like how Clark was in the beginning of MOS, where there are reports of super heroic actions taking place but no solid evidence besides eye witness stuff. And after Superman's appearance and base on how much the trailers have portrayed Batman hating Superman, it would make sense for Batman to keep eye on possibility of other people with abilities after the emergence of Superman.

I think the Suicide Squad trailer makes a good point that people with abilities (good and bad) are starting to sprout up after the events of MOS, especially with Amanda Waller's line about Superman being the "Beacon that made them creep back from the shadows". So to me, it make all the sense for Batman to be keeping track of Meta-human reports. keeping reports on people isn't Bat-god stuff that is regular bat stuff, at least in the world of BvS I think.

I also don't see how Batman knowing the existence of Flash and Aquaman would make him impervious of being shocked by WW and the display of her powers. By that logic he should already not be shocked by WW because the dude just witness Superman and Zod flying around metropolis, shooting lazers out their eyes and destroying half the city. That visual is more or at least about the same level of shock value that flash, Aquaman and WW can serve up.

 

[jokesonm3]

You know earlier we were discussing whether or not BvS will have a post credit scene.

I believe it should and should have something like this:

A BvS and SS connection.

 

[Steve Holt]

i doubt bruce would dream about them.

assuming it's Bruce's dream, or that its a dream instead of a vision. It's all speculation at this point and is most likely Bruce's though.

 

[Unbreakable Lex]

Yeah Bruce dreaming about members of the JL without knowing anything about them would take me out of the movie.

I think the moment we saw those parademons, we moved past a dream based solely off of Bruce's paranoia for Superman.

 

[Unbreakable Lex]

You know earlier we were discussing whether or not BvS will have a post credit scene.

I believe it should and should have something like this:

A BvS and SS connection.

I'd rather them include the scene in the movie. The post credit screen has been a huge hit for Marvel movies and that's where it should stay. It's their thing.

If WB/DC wants to pimp their next movie, I'd like them to do it in the actual movie.

 

[Captain Shazam]

Watching Wilkinson's interview he says 'it's kind of a dream, a vision of the future'. There is more than one interpretation to his words.

 

[jokesonm3]

Wilkinson's playing us like a damn fiddle!

 

[Tensor]

I have an explanation: Wilkinson doesn't know the entire plot himself.

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

I'd rather them include the scene in the movie. The post credit screen has been a huge hit for Marvel movies and that's where it should stay. It's their thing.

If WB/DC wants to pimp their next movie, I'd like them to do it in the actual movie.

It's not Marvel Studio's thing. All the Fox X-Men movies have them. Do those receive any flak for copying Marvel Studios? WB had one for Green Lantern too.

I think they should have them simply because audiences have been trained to check at the end of comic book movies, and having nothing just creates a feeling of disappointment. That feeling of disappointment will likely outweigh a sense of...respect for a movie studio that doesn't do what another movie studio does, especially since the majority of audience don't even think about the movie studio.

Important mind-blowing stuff (like Lex meeting Joker) should always come before the credits, but I think there should at least be something after the credits. Heck, advertise some comics.

 

[Charlatan]

One cool thing Wilkerson did reveal was what was written in Kryptonian on Superman's suit.
A Joseph Campbell quote.

"And where we had thought to be alone, we shall be with all the world"

 

[rogbngp]

One cool thing Wilkerson did reveal was what was written in Kryptonian on Superman's suit.
A Joseph Campbell quote.

"And where we had thought to be alone, we shall be with all the world"

Wow, that is very cool. Love it.

 

[rogbngp]

Yeah... I am down for it being a vision that Diana has which plays out like the DOFP future scenes with cameos by Arthur and Barry and a tease of the forces of Apokalips. That makes sense. I am down for it being a stream of consciousness nightmare Bruce has which is just chock full of strange imagery but doesn't feature anyone else but himself and Superman. Fine. But... Sorry it's just feels off if Bruce is having purely dreams that happen to feature Barry and Arthur never mind the "Para-Demons" of Darkseid.

But I can't argue to hard with Wilkinson. If they do it, I'll be fine as long as it makes sense and is done well.

Yeah, with the contents that he describes for Bruce's "dream" plus what we see (parademons) it doesn't add up.

The only sense I make of this for now is that perhaps Bruce is psychically given the dream somehow by some mystical force. If so, maybe Diana is involved with that? But really, just as a dream, I'm having trouble seeing how Bruce's mind would be able to conjure those images.

 

[Tensor]

If it is Bruce's dream then those are just flying alien creatures, servants of tyrant Superman. They'd arise out of Batman's fear of what Superman is: Alien + Can fly...which totally makes sense as those creatures serve as a metaphor for flying alien beings. Also no Flash or Aquaman in the dream.


If it is Diana's vision then those are Parademons. Justice League never forms. Superman has been subdued by Darkseid and now keeps rule over Earth. Here, Flash and Aquaman could be present.

 

[rogbngp]

If it is Bruce's dream then those are just flying alien creatures, servants of tyrant Superman. They'd arise out of Batman's fear of what Superman is: Alien + Can fly...which totally makes sense as those creatures serve as a metaphor for flying alien beings. Also no Flash or Aquaman in the dream.


If it is Diana's vision then those are Parademons. Justice League never forms. Superman has been subdued by Darkseid and now keeps rule over Earth. Here, Flash and Aquaman could be present.

Yeah, but to make them look so much like Darkseid's parademons? Granted, the GA won't know from that, though.

 

[DarkKnight]

I'm starting to think its not Bruce's dream but possibly a vision seen by Wonder Woman. She see's what the future will hold is These heroes are not brought to together to stop fighting each other but a common enemy.

 

[Tensor]

@rogbngp

One word: Homage. Snyder loves to do that.