BvS The BvS Rumor/Speculation Discussion Thread! - Part 4

[rogbngp]

This is a great breakdown of the recent trailer (thanks to Last Of Krypton for sharing it):

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The analysis includes an observation of a painting in the background behind Clark at the party (a charity ball held by Lex?) that Filup Molina identifies as a work by real life artist Cleon Peterson named A Balance of Terror.

I won't try to recap Molina's thoughts in full (watch the video, it's really good). But basically the painting can be taken to express what both Clark and Bruce fear about each other, respectively. And that is some potent ****.

You can read an interview with the artist here that is actually pretty fascinating if Snyder placed the painting there intentionally, which I agree with Molina seems likely.

I think Molina is probably on the money about the meaning of the painting reflecting deeper psychological layers to the film.

In a similar vein regarding Man of Steel, if you watch this video (discussed here)

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a pretty compelling argument is made that Snyder very thoughtfully and meticulously uses symbolic imagery consistently throughout MoS to tell an entire story at a more mythic and archetypal level of meaning. I think there is something to the thesis, actually--I'm just not sure how much.

But anyway, the point is that if Snyder is that type of director (and Lord knows Zack does love visuals and mythic symbols), I hope to have a good time picking through the film for symbols of possible deeper messages. Some conjectures may be correct. Naturally some will be wrong. That goes without saying. But at least to me that sort of thing immersive and entertaining.

 

[KillerWolf]

It might be a coincidence, but it does seem that Snyder and Terrio took a quote by the artist himself regarding that artwork above: "absolute power corrupts absolutely" and had Senator Finch say it.

 

[False Prophet]

It has been exposed as a hoax.

The hoax exposure won't get anywhere near as much traction as the original hoax itself. I don't doubt people will be blogging about inaccuracies for the next few months, and then probably accuse WB of changing the story/creatively editing at the last minute in response. Because fanboyism.

 

[Unbreakable Lex]

It might be a coincidence, but it does seem that Snyder and Terrio took a quote by the artist himself regarding that artwork above: "absolute power corrupts absolutely" and had Senator Finch say it.

That's a pretty common phrase.

 

[Guts]

I noticed that artists work in a downtown Detroit art gallery a couple of days ago.
http://www.lscgallery.com/artists/cleon-peterson
https://www.instagram.com/p/7GVEwgupt8/?taken-by=cleonpeterson

 

[KillerWolf]

That's a pretty common phrase.

True.

Quite ironic one when a politician says it, by the way.

 

[rogbngp]

It might be a coincidence, but it does seem that Snyder and Terrio took a quote by the artist himself regarding that artwork above: "Absolute power corrupts absolutely" and had Senator Finch say it.

True, although that is actually an old saying, see here. (Which I'm sure you knew Wolf, but not everyone else might.) Anyway, the gist of what you're observing here is that expressing that idea both in the dialogue and with a visual metaphor is intentional on Snyder's and Terrio's part, and I totally agree. I'm sure its one of the deeper themes that they're working with as a human drama. It's the whole superman having godlike powers issue. And sure enough, we see firsthand in this movie what can happen when power-crazed individuals like Lex get a hold of that sort of power.

 

[rogbngp]

True.

Quite ironic one when a politician says it, by the way.

Lol, that's for sure!

 

[Clark-Kent]

So back to Krypton's favorite clone theory ... Would Superman have been "killed off" to the audience...or do you think they'll just be upfront and show him in a stasis chamber in the fortress of solitude recovering, while the clone is flying around having taken his place?

 

[rogbngp]

So back to Krypton's favorite clone theory ... Would Superman have been "killed off" to the audience...or do you think they'll just be upfront and show him in a stasis chamber in the fortress of solitude recovering, while the clone is flying around having taken his place?

If that wild hoax theory had been real?

Actually, I have not entirely ruled out that there could still be an evil cloned Superman in this film. If so, I wonder what Superman will be doing when the clone is going around doing its mischief? I wonder how Lex would avoid keeping them out of each other's way.

 

[Last Of Krypton]

Repost from an older thread
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I've been reading Superman/Batman: The Search For Kryptonite. I now understand why this was one of the comics Cavill read to prepare for his Superman Incarnation. It's a good story (except for the Lana part).

- Superman and Batman's team-work.
- Kryptonite polluting the oceans.
- Aquaman being pissed at Batman and Superman
- The US government creating weapons based on Kryptonite.
- The fight in Smallville
- Last but not least the All-American Boy:

 

[rogbngp]

Repost from an older thread
[post=32197409]Re: All Things Batman v Superman: An Open Discussion - - - - - - - - - - -[/post]

Originally Posted by Last Of Krypton View Post
I've been reading Superman/Batman: The Search For Kryptonite. I now understand why this was one of the comics Cavill read to prepare for his Superman Incarnation. It's a good story (except for the Lana part).

- Superman and Batman's team-work.
- Kryptonite polluting the oceans.
- Aquaman being pissed at Batman and Superman
- The US government creating weapons based on Kryptonite.
- The fight in Smallville
- Last but not least the All-American Boy:

Neat, I may have to take a look at that. Do you know for sure that Cavill mentioned reading it as prep for BvS?

 

[Vaibow]

If that wild hoax theory had been real?

Actually, I have not entirely ruled out that there could still be an evil cloned Superman in this film. If so, I wonder what Superman will be doing when the clone is going around doing its mischief? I wonder how Lex would avoid keeping them out of each other's way.

Cloning looks to have happened, spawning doomsday! But, i'm glad they went don the route (if indeed they have) of it not looking perfect, it going wrong - creating some rampaging beast.

I mean, i can take and suspend belief for all the fantasy elements - but to be perfectly able to clone superman, then, they recreate his exact suit (maybe not too hard with a command key or kryptonian AI) and also shave him, give him the exact same hair cut and expect him to obey orders and act, some what like superman, it just feels old school science fiction cheap.

If this universe can create clones, then what stops them cloning movie stars, pop stars, rich dudes, digging up eisntein or t rex. I think it just opens a plot hole for future movies.

However, i can take it, if they clone him and he is a young man, or infant and they have to wait a natural life time for him to grow.

I mean they did it in superman 3, when it was really superman all along, he was jus fighting his demons due to red kryptonite. Bt that was the third movie in.

I just hope and want a second movie in the anthology to give superman the respect he deserves and not use him as a side issue to get batman out there.

 

[Last Of Krypton]

Neat, I may have to take a look at that. Do you know for sure that Cavill mentioned reading it as prep for BvS?

Yes, he mentioned it in an old interview (2013)

“I read as much as I could, purely because I wanted to get a great reservoir of knowledge from the source material,” Cavill tells EW. “There are so many different representations of the character that it was easy to draw a baseline and pick and choose some flavors. They’re all facets and aspects of the same character, so you’ve just got to combine them and can play around with them and apply it to the script.”

As we await Man of Steel’s arrival on June 14, here are the books Cavill cited as strong influences on his approach to Superman’s psyche:

• The Death of Superman (1992)
• The Return of Superman (1993)
• Superman: Red Son (2003)
• Superman/Batman: The Search for Kryptonite (2008)

http://www.ew.com/article/2013/04/21/man-of-steel-
four-superman-comic-books-inspired-henry-cavill

 

[rogbngp]

Yes, he mentioned it in a old interview (2013)

http://www.ew.com/article/2013/04/21/man-of-steel-
four-superman-comic-books-inspired-henry-cavill

Awesome! This is exactly what I've been looking for to learn more! Thanks!

 

[Last Of Krypton]

Awesome! This is exactly what I've been looking for to learn more! Thanks!

If you're interested, there is a Motion Comic version of Superman:Red Son on youtube. I'll post the link (if I find it).

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Edit:I added the youtube video

 

[rogbngp]

Thanks! That's excellent. I'm going to wait until after Christmas to watch the video because I've ordered Superman: Red Son, which the wife has wrapped and is now under the tree.

 

[rogbngp]

Apologies for cross-posting the same thing but see here for a very intriguing article that supports a theory that I've been nurturing for some time.

Edit: Sorry if I'm late to the party with the article but I guess what I'm on about here is connecting it with my speculation.

 

[Vaibow]

seems possible

 

[Black Narcissus]

Out of every bs leak and fake reviews, I still go back to this one. 6 months ago. Before SDCC and many pics etc.

Some wrong character names aside and bits, it has played out in the trailers for the most part. Noting that many changes go on in production.

Read at your risk.

https://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/3c5kmi/potential_spoilers_a_detailed_plot_of_batman_v

 

[Last Of Krypton]

Out of every bs leak and fake reviews, I still go back to this one. 6 months ago. Before SDCC and many pics etc.

Some wrong character names aside and bits, it has played out in the trailers for the most part. Noting that many changes go on in production.

Read at your risk.

https://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/3c5kmi/potential_spoilers_a_detailed_plot_of_batman_v

You might be right. It definitely fits the trailers.

 

[Ghostcrow13]

^I dunno, there's no mention of the footage from the spot though is there, or the dream sequence. Also whilst I expect the movie to be long, that synopsis would have to be like 3+ hours.

 

[Vlyse]

Yeah, that plot outline is a good read, but there's holes enough to discredit it.

Spoiler

Diana just showing up at the Batcave? No Wayne parents deaths and funeral mention. No mention of Bruce alone at the old Wayne Manor, or the lake home he lives at (?). No mention of "You let your family die" letter. No Superman heroic montage mention, with the Day of the Dead. It only mentions Kent Farm at the end, which I doubt is where Martha's trailer dialogue is from. We know the TV spot is their first encounter, which doesn't match up with how the outline describes their first encounter. (Is LexCorp even a tower?)

Some of last month's 4chan leak info was a bit shaky, but it was the first mention of a Justice League montage over the BVS credits, even before El Mayimbe reported it. I believe in the montage. It's the best explanation for Aquaman, Cyborg, and Flash in this movie, since we still know absolutely nothing about them and they have no business anyway even mid-way through as cameos, imo.

 

[Captain Shazam]

I would say that that is a first draft of the script. For example, in the second trailer, they seem to meet Diana during the Doomsday fight, not before that.

 

[Rogzilla]

I am inclined to believe it too. It's definitely from an early draft based on some of the character names. The fact that it doesn't mention every single detail doesn't discredit it, since it is a high level overview, not to mention those things could have been added later as Terrio fine tuned the screenplay.

If this is a general outline for the movie, I think we've got a winner on our hands.