BvS The BvS Rumor/Speculation Discussion Thread! - Part 4

[Boy Scout]

Personally, I don't think origin stories are necessary. I'm not opposed to them - quite the contrary - but there are tons of films released every year that jump right into things without spending too much time explaining the characters' pasts. Granted, most films don't have to establish worlds as crazy as Atlantis or Paradise Island.

 

[Da-Scribe]

Personally, I don't think origin stories are necessary. I'm not opposed to them - quite the contrary - but there are tons of films released every year that jump right into things without spending too much time explaining the characters' pasts. Granted, most films don't have to establish worlds as crazy as Atlantis or Paradise Island.

LoTR managed.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

LoTR managed.

Look at the run times of tose films though. World building and the like, takes up screen time one way or the other.

 

[Da-Scribe]

Look at the run times of tose films though. World building and the like, takes up screen time one way or the other.

Yeah but that can still be integrated seamlessly into the plot. There are other great, fantastical films with shorter runtimes than LoTR. That aside, the issue isn't a matter of runtimes. It's a matter of whether or not origin stories are necessary. They aren't.

 

[Last Of Krypton]

I don't think that we need origin films for every character.
I believe that JL part 1 and 2 will explore the origins of the other Justice League members.

 

[ernesth100]

Maybe I mean its not like the entire film will be a fight. They'll probably be some origins in PT1 and 2.

 

[Tobias]

Will the film end positively - as in a JL montage?

Or will it end in a bit of a downer as in a cliffhanger?

 

[TX85]

Anyone think Bruce may have seen more of the Superman/Zod battle than just outside his building? I mean like maybe he ran into the train station when Supes and Zod landed there and witnessed Superman killing Zod.

 

[RadioSha]

Will the film end positively - as in a JL montage?

Or will it end in a bit of a downer as in a cliffhanger?

I honestly don't think we'll have a full formation of the Justice League.

 

[Tobias]

I honestly don't think we'll have a full formation of the Justice League.

No but maybe a post credit montage.

The just released JL1 poster - concept art makes me think the montage will happen.

I assume Batman will be the catalyst to form the JL at then end of BvS and be the leader of the JL. Affleck commented on why it should be Batman in the leadership role recently so he may have been hinting.

The nice thing about the poster is that Superman is positioned at the front along with Batman so maybe he will be the secondary lead of the JL. Hope so anyway.

 

[RadioSha]

No but maybe a post credit montage.

The just released JL1 poster - concept art makes me think the montage will happen.

I assume Batman will be the catalyst to form the JL at then end of BvS and be the leader of the JL. Affleck commented on why it should be Batman in the leadership role recently so he may have been hinting.

The nice thing about the poster is that Superman is positioned at the front along with Batman so maybe he will be the secondary lead of the JL. Hope so anyway.

I don't think we'll get a montage. A montage of what? It looked cool at the beginning of Watchmen because it gave us context to what has happened and what was about to happen in the movie- the Minutemen were not the main focus of the movie. Having a montage at the end would make very little sense and even less of an impact, especially if we don't know where the heck Flash came from. These are huge characters. I'm not saying it's not possible, but I just don't see it working. Maybe they can pull it off. We'll see.


Where I can totally see this working is at the end of the Wonder Woman film. Wonder Woman gets to have her origin story told and fight her villain, but at the very end we see her go on a journey of recruitment of other superheroes to form the film version of the Justice Society. You see them, in secret, fighting across many wars, maybe even preventing one or two, and maybe making treaties with Atlanteans to protect (or not protect) the world of man.

The interesting thing about this is we may see how WW was able to out-age all of the members where they are either dead, can no longer be heroes, or gone missing (Jay Garrick's Flash perhaps) leading up to present time. But maybe we didn't need anymore superheroes because Earth is at peacetime for a while now... until the events of MOS. Superman was the first public superhero and by the end of BvS, Wonder Woman herself is revealed to the public. Since this is the last movie before JL, I think it would be a perfect tie-in leading up to it. I think the rumors/reports got it mixed up.

I'm just guessing though.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Yeah, the montage rumor... I think people are just focusing on a technique Snyder used in WATCHMEN and are simply fanboying out on the idea that he could do the same in BvS to whet our appetite for JL.

 

[RadioSha]

Yeah, the montage rumor... I think people are just focusing on a technique Snyder used in WATCHMEN and are simply fanboying out on the idea that he could do the same in BvS to whet our appetite for JL.

I wouldn't be surprised if it came from these boards XD

Is there any truth that Mayimbe lurks around the Hype? I know Faraci definitely does.

If you're seeing this Faraci... Go to bed.

 

[Tobias]

If BvS is gargantuan the Batman solo film will be announced quickly after BvS premiers. Affleck has been hinting at wanting to direct it in the past week or so in interviews so I think something is up at WB. I don't think they'll wait for SDCC which earlier I felt they would do.

 

[GreenKToo]

yup, and I could see them going the prequel route with joker and robin.

 

[Jaxon]

yup, and I could see them going the prequel route with joker and robin.

I don't think they'll go prequel. I think they'll just go into a solo mission with Batman trying to take down the Joker or another villain like a Riddler type.

As for the montage, I think it makes sense. Then you've formed the JL and go straight into it from the go.

Just rewatched that Watchman intro, that was amazing, the shots, the way it subtly told the story and the choice of music, just a perfect 2 minutes of story telling and visuals.

 

[Tobias]

To me the idea of directing oneself is weird. I know its done though.

I doubt Affleck directs Bats 2 and 3. But I bet he gets to choose who directs him for those films.

He is in the catbird's seat at WB.

 

[titansupes]

I wouldn't be surprised if it came from these boards XD

Is there any truth that Mayimbe lurks around the Hype? I know Faraci definitely does.

If you're seeing this Faraci... Go to bed.

He made a few posts here a year or two ago to defend himself aka talk smack... And a bunch of the regulars went at him pretty hard. Hasn't come back since (publicly).

 

[rogbngp]

Gonzalez seems like a good guy on Colliders, Schnepp and Campea seem to genuinely like him. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that he's been burned pretty bad with getting bum information on BvS (a risk that all CBM bloggers face). If he is just dreaming stuff up and posting it to generate views (no blogger can ever reveal their sources for the rumors, or at least not usually--so how will we ever know what's real or not?) then I have no sympathy. But if he's actually just getting bad intel I kind of feel bad for the dude. He's obviously about as hardcore a fan as you can get.

 

[Serban]

anyone saw this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_oy56yVhUk

i think doomsday or darkseid survive on BvS and Suicide Squad is recruit for an common threat

 

[rogbngp]

Yeah, the montage rumor... I think people are just focusing on a technique Snyder used in WATCHMEN and are simply fanboying out on the idea that he could do the same in BvS to whet our appetite for JL.

I LOVE this rumor and am desperately hoping that it will be true. It originated from Umberto Gonzalez. Of course, as usual, he does not reveal the insider source for the rumor.

I would not expect it to be exactly like Watchmen, i.e., almost entirely in slo-mo and set to a pop song. Rather, I would expect it to be tailored stylistically to match the tone of BvS. But anyway, that Watchmen scene is utterly brilliant and artistically masterful. (Watchmen is essentially an art film that uses superheroes.)

With the Wonder Woman solo film set partly in WWI, I am really, really hoping (see here and here) that the beginnings of the JSA are featured in some way (although rewritten for WWI instead of WWII) in the film. Just as the Watchmen montage featured glimpses of the 1940s Minutemen (predecessors to the Watchmen), I think it would be very cool to see the same treatment given to the JL in the end credits. Just a few glimpses. Maybe Dr. Fate and Alan Scott...

I also have my crackpot fantasy about the Wonder Woman film providing GL with a whole new origin that has Alan Scott pass his ring down to his grandson (the probability of which is virtually nil, I know). But that far-fetched aspect aside, I do want to see at least some hints of the JSA featured in WW's origin story. And that is mainly because one day I want to see a WWI time period JSA origin film in the DC Films Universe. (I think I'm going to start using the acronym of DCFU, lol!)

 

[Tobias]

Concept art for JL Part 1 has Bats and Supes front and center. I'd like to see them as co-leads of the team but can accept Bats as the lead on his own. The way Affleck explained it makes sense.

 

[rogbngp]

Snyder has said that he regards Superman as "the chairman of the board" for the DC Film superheroes roster. No idea whether the DCFU's JL films will have an elected leader for the JL. But if so, I'd be surprised if Superman is not at least a co-lead.

 

[BlueLanternKal]

Supes has always been the de facto leader of the JL. Bats is primarily there to keep Supes in check if he becomes compromised and as their tactican/detective.

 

[Vlyse]

I LOVE this rumor and am desperately hoping that it will be true. It originated from Umberto Gonzalez. Of course, as usual, he does not reveal the insider source for the rumor.

The montage tidbit pre-dates El Mayimbe's report. The heroes being shown working in pairs separately makes far more sense than an actual formed League over the credits.