BvS The BvS Rumor/Speculation Discussion Thread!

[Nemeres]

It's why he was created in the comics. Filmmakers don't necessarily have to follow suit.

But what's the point of using Doomsday, then. There are lots of other villains he can trade punches with. They must be aware of the expectations around Doomsday, in the case he's actually being used.

 

[GL's Light]

But what's the point of using Doomsday, then. There are lots of other villains he can trade punches with. They must be aware of the expectations around Doomsday, in the case he's actually being used.

He's a Superman villain who's enormously powerful. If they want a final battle with one villain versus the Trinity then Doomsday fits the bill nicely. Also if they want Lex to bio-engineer a Frankenstein to use against Superman then Doomsday again fits the bill. They could use Metallo in that role, but Doomsday has more of a grounding of being extremely powerful and dangerous. Now, I'm not saying this will definitely be how BvS unfolds. Those are just examples of why Doomsday could be chosen, even if it doesn't end in Superman's death.

Filmmakers sometimes give audiences what is expected and sometimes they confound expectations. As long as what's delivered is entertaining, there can actually be something to gain from going against expectations so as not to be too predictable. And it's fandom that would have expectations here, not the general audience. We know that there's going to be a fight between Batman and Superman that will be influenced by the one in TDKR. Some fans have an expectation that that means the fight will end the same way, with Batman victorious. That's not necessarily the case.

 

[Nemeres]

He's a Superman villain who's enormously powerful. If they want a final battle with one villain versus the Trinity then Doomsday fits the bill nicely. Also if they want Lex to bio-engineer a Frankenstein to use against Superman then Doomsday again fits the bill. They could use Metallo in that role, but Doomsday has more of a grounding of being extremely powerful and dangerous. Now, I'm not saying this will definitely be how BvS unfolds. Those are just examples of why Doomsday could be chosen, even if it doesn't end in Superman's death.

Filmmakers sometimes give audiences what is expected and sometimes they confound expectations. As long as what's delivered is entertaining, there can actually be something to gain from going against expectations so as not to be too predictable. And it's fandom that would have expectations here, not the general audience. We know that there's going to be a fight between Batman and Superman that will be influenced by the one in TDKR. Some fans have an expectation that that means the fight will end the same way, with Batman victorious. That's not necessarily the case.

But here you have a character that is famous for one single thing. And it's not for being powerful, since powerful dudes are ten a penny in comics. If he's really in the film, once the trailers show him you'll start seeing the theory discussed everywhere. Film sites, regular news sites, comments sections, etc. So raising all those expectations just to deliver a regular death-less ending seems pretty anticlimactic. Personally, I think enough stuff is pointing that way. And nothing would make JL a bigger must-see than ending BVS with a dead Superman.

There was similar speculation around Gwen Stacy in TASM2... some said it was too soon to kill her, that it was unlikely for this or that reason, etc. But it happened, and it's funny how obvious it was in retrospect.

 

[GL's Light]

They might have the "death" of Superman at Doomsday's hands, they might not. Whether an ending where Doomsday was defeated without Superman's death would be anticlimactic in the face of prior speculation online would depend on the strength of the ending and how well the film was received overall.

 

[mithravishnu]

But what's the point of using Doomsday, then. There are lots of other villains he can trade punches with. They must be aware of the expectations around Doomsday, in the case he's actually being used.

 

[Urich Leeds]

I think they'll find some middle ground. TBH, I'm still not fully convinced that Doomsday is the villain.

 

[mithravishnu]

He's a Superman villain who's enormously powerful. If they want a final battle with one villain versus the Trinity then Doomsday fits the bill nicely. Also if they want Lex to bio-engineer a Frankenstein to use against Superman then Doomsday again fits the bill. They could use Metallo in that role, but Doomsday has more of a grounding of being extremely powerful and dangerous. Now, I'm not saying this will definitely be how BvS unfolds. Those are just examples of why Doomsday could be chosen, even if it doesn't end in Superman's death.

Filmmakers sometimes give audiences what is expected and sometimes they confound expectations. As long as what's delivered is entertaining, there can actually be something to gain from going against expectations so as not to be too predictable. And it's fandom that would have expectations here, not the general audience. We know that there's going to be a fight between Batman and Superman that will be influenced by the one in TDKR. Some fans have an expectation that that means the fight will end the same way, with Batman victorious. That's not necessarily the case.

Doomsday is extremely powerful and dangerous because he was not born on a lab on earth He was cloned to be ultimate weapon and evolved after the cloning. They are not going to change that since MOS blue ray extra confirmed his origint:

 

[GL's Light]

^^^
Maybe, maybe not. Doomsday, if he's in the film, might come from outer space having evolved, or Lex might have come into possession of Bertron's research and use it to recreate Doomsday.

 

[mithravishnu]

^^^
Maybe, maybe not. Doomsday, if he's in the film, might come from outer space having evolved, or Lex might have come into possession of Bertron's research and use it to recreate Doomsday.

 

[GreenKToo]

I'd love to finally see all the main villains in these films.
brainiac, doomsday, darkseid.
Darkseid interests me the most with all the possibilities he could bring.

 

[Urich Leeds]

^^^
Maybe, maybe not. Doomsday, if he's in the film, might come from outer space having evolved, or Lex might have come into possession of Bertron's research and use it to recreate Doomsday.

Seems likely. Odds are that Betron's data was stored on Zod's ship. Which, was no doubt recovered by LexCorp.

 

[TheFuture]

Not really. Doomsday doesn't need to take up any time with characterization. He's basically the Chitauri invasion force condensed into one body.

I think Doomsday does need some development as his impact is significant. The Chitauri on the other hand were just by the numbers footsoldiers who didn't make any real long term impact in the MCU.

 

[GL's Light]

The Chitauri invasion had a very significant impact on the development of the MCU, but Loki was the focus of characterization rather than any of the Chitauri. Likewise Doomsday might be a weapon used by Lex. Unleashing Doomsday would have a significant impact, but Lex would be the focus of characterization, while Doomsday would just be a very powerful weapon.

 

[Urich Leeds]

I think Doomsday does need some development as his impact is significant. The Chitauri on the other hand were just by the numbers footsoldiers who didn't make any real long term impact in the MCU.

I have to agree.

I would like for Doomsday to be built up to a bit. Like say, whatever carrying his DNA (should they go the recreation route) carries a foreboding warning about the coming of Doomsday.

 

[GL's Light]

I would like for Doomsday to be built up to a bit. Like say, whatever carrying his DNA (should they go the recreation route) carries a foreboding warning about the coming of Doomsday.

There could easily be something like that. That's not the sort of thing I'm talking about when I say Doomsday isn't a character that needs a lot of time spent on characterization. I'm talking about scenes that reveal the nuances of character - psychology, true nature, motivations, etc - through dialogue, relationships with others, and actions. Doomsday is very simple in that regard.

 

[CommanderConnor]

If Doomsday is done then I want something akin to Superman: Doomsday animated film. Albiet mixed with The Dark Knight Returns and throw Wonder Woman in there along with the after effects of Man of Steel

 

[BH/HHH]

I hope the Dark Knight Returns influence mostly only goes as far as the costume and the battle armour. I do not think that book is a good representation of Batman or Superman for this universe or any non Dark Knight universe. I'm not saying they can't take inspiration from certain panels etc but not those characterisations or the biasness of the fight.

 

[GL's Light]

I hope the Dark Knight Returns influence mostly only goes as far as the costume and the battle armour. I do not think that book is a good representation of Batman or Superman for this universe or any non Dark Knight universe. I'm not saying they can't take inspiration from certain panels etc but not those characterisations or the biasness of the fight.

Snyder on making a direct adaptation of TDKR as opposed to BvS:

“If you were going to do that, you would need a different Superman. We’re bringing Batman into the universe that now this Superman lives in.”

 

[Naked Shia]

great quote!

 

[Urich Leeds]

And right on the nose.

 

[hopeless]

So Led introduces Doomsday's DNA into Zoe's body and he reanimates still pi##ed at Kal-El and goes out to hunt him down leaving Led to cover up his tracks...?

 

[matt47]

It's a quote that should be remembered by all.

 

[Urich Leeds]

I hope the Dark Knight Returns influence mostly only goes as far as the costume and the battle armour. I do not think that book is a good representation of Batman or Superman for this universe or any non Dark Knight universe. I'm not saying they can't take inspiration from certain panels etc but not those characterisations or the biasness of the fight.

I think they could use the ideas of Superman working with the government (though not as a tool, like he is in TDKR), and Batman being seen as a vigilante, as opposed to an ally to Gotham.

 

[BH/HHH]

I think they could use the ideas of Superman working with the government (though not as a tool, like he is in TDKR), and Batman being seen as a vigilante, as opposed to an ally to Gotham.

Would be happy with that

 

[Rapunzel]

I think they could use the ideas of Superman working with the government (though not as a tool, like he is in TDKR), and Batman being seen as a vigilante, as opposed to an ally to Gotham.

This works. Something like 89 Batman, where Bats is a boogeyman of sorts that has people, especially criminals, nervous.