BvS The BvS Ultimate Cut Thread - Part 3

[Paradox1]

Seriously? This is supposed to be a new take on old characters. How about establishing your new takes by fleshing them out to the GA instead of picking and choosing which stuff carries over from previous incarnations. Just say it, the WB rushed this film because they foolishly felt the need to play catch up. Tgey jammed 3 storylines into 2.5 hrs. As a massive Superman fan it's disappointing.

I'm just talking about Lex figuring out Superman's identity. How you feel about the movie as a whole is your opinion. I'm not a BvS missionary looking to convert nonbelievers.

 

[sf2]

Seriously? In MOS, the soldier mentions that they are calling the alien "Superman".

but how was the name introduced to the world? it's never established. a lot of things never established.

having said that, i applause synder for not taking the safe route and repeating STM. ( you know, lois got him the name, the interview, the newspaper explaining his stand). he instead took the challenge to expand on superman universe.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Given that it's obvious that Lois was going to say the word "Superman" in the interrogation scene, I mean... C'mon people.

 

[Krumm]

Oh, Internet...

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

The more I see the UC, the more I enjoy the movie. I love how it fleshes out Clark and shows that even in his day job he cares and is trying to help people, even arguing and going against his boss to do it.

It shows more of why the bomb going off and the people there dying and suffering effects him so much. Especially during the aftermath when he is looking around at the suffering of the people. It makes him wonder if him being Superman really is helping people or not.

Of course, being who he is, he still comes back and sacrifices himself for humanity. And as Batman implies Supermans death will inspire people to 'be better.'

 

[Krumm]

The more I see the UC, the more I enjoy the movie. I love how it fleshes out Clark and shows that even in his day job he cares and is trying to help people, even arguing and going against his boss to do it.

It shows more of why the bomb going off and the people there dying and suffering effects him so much. Especially during the aftermath when he is looking around at the suffering of the people. It makes him wonder if him being Superman really is helping people or not.

Of course, being who he is, he still comes back and sacrifices himself for humanity. And as Batman implies Supermans death will inspire people to 'be better.'

It adds needed drama to the senate scene by cross cutting Lex's plot unfolding so when you get to the senate, you feel that something is about to happen.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

It adds needed drama to the senate scene by cross cutting Lex's plot unfolding so when you get to the senate, you feel that something is about to happen.

That as well, but it also adds emotion outside when Superman is looking at the people suffering, and he blames himself. The UC adds a lot to some scenes and moments.

 

[King23DC]

That as well, but it also adds emotion outside when Superman is looking at the people suffering, and he blames himself. The UC adds a lot to some scenes and moments.

Apart from that naked ass Affleck shower scene.

 

[sf2]

It adds needed drama to the senate scene by cross cutting Lex's plot unfolding so when you get to the senate, you feel that something is about to happen.

the senate bombing really caught me by surprise... i was like WOW and then feeling real sad for superman in the cinema... never expecting it...

 

[sf2]

Given that it's obvious that Lois was going to say the word "Superman" in the interrogation scene, I mean... C'mon people.

but we want to see it and hear it so badlly... just like the shirt rip off scene...
was implied but never shown...

Zack just refused to repeat things done and to give it to us...

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Apart from that naked ass Affleck shower scene.

Yeah I could have done without that. But we did get the bath scene with Lois to make up for it t:.

 

[Steamteck]

Huh? The guy only delivered the best movies of the genre. Faithful to the source material, and just flat out great films.

Nolan single handed brought comic book movies to a level of respectability film wise they had never been at before, or since. So not quite sure what you mean by that honestly.

But it feels quite disrespectful, especially comparing him to a proven hack like Zach Snyder and then saying thank god?

Too bad. That's my opinion and it just means I don't like his stuff whereas your statement that Snyder is a "proven hack " is much more but you're entitled to your opinion just remember its not some ultimate truth.

 

[King23DC]

Too bad. That's my opinion and it just means I don't like his stuff whereas your statement that Snyder is a "proven hack " is much more but you're entitled to your opinion just remember its not some ultimate truth.

One lends itself to credible fact, while the other doesn't, and seems down right ludicrous.

Nolan RT

Batman Begins -
Critic 84%
Fan 94%

The Dark Knight -
Critic 94%
Fan 94%

TDK Rises -
Critic 87%
Fan 90%

A trilogy widely loved, critics and fans apart. Hugely influential films, that have already been aped or patterned after since their release. The Nolan films are likable, with a passionate fan base, non divisive. All apart from the humble beginnings with Begins, were also massive successes at the box office.

Now, Hack Snyder's RT

Watchmen -
Critic 65%
Fan 71%

Sucker Punch -
Critic 23%
Fan 47%

Man of Steel -
Critic 55%
Fan 75%

Batman v Superman -
Critic 27%
Fan 65%

Nolan's films are inspiration for what the genre can strive to be. Hack Snyder has quickly become a cautionary tale of what not to do.

Someone who can't present a coherent narrative, with discernible and focused themes ... with LIKABLE characters. Something important to do for films based on icons beloved the world over.

Nolan is a generational caliber film maker. Hack Snyder is a moron frat boy who thinks he's making art. He's a deluded Michael Bay. And that's what makes things worse. And why WB is finally trying to distance themselves from him.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Funny how you leave out 300 and Dawn Of The Dead for Snyders RT though. 300 was based on a comic also.

I do think Nolan is a far better film maker, but Snyder is not a hack in my eyes.

 

[King23DC]

Funny how you leave out 300 and Dawn Of The Dead for Snyders RT though. 300 was based on a comic also.

I do think Nolan is a far better film maker, but Snyder is not a hack in my eyes.

That wasn't intentional ... I kept it to recent history of comic book films. Dawn of the Dead not applicable in the slightest. And the point was to compare them as film makers. Should I have listed other great non comic book Nolan films? Box office and critical success shows 300 was an outlier, and with more original material Snyder is a hack. WB is disappointed with him after two failures, or at best lukewarm receptions. They're moving away from him for a reason. He's not good.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

That wasn't intentional ... I kept it to recent history of comic book films. Dawn of the Dead not applicable in the slightest. And the point was to compare them as film makers. Should I have listed other great non comic book Nolan films? Box office and critical success shows 300 was an outlier, and with more original material Snyder is a hack. WB is disappointed with him after two failures, or at best lukewarm receptions. They're moving away from him for a reason. He's not good.

300 is more recent than Batman Begins, yet you included the latter.

 

[OutOfBoose]

And Sucker Punch isn't based on a comic book. So swap Sucker Punch with 300, at least.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

And Sucker Punch isn't based on a comic book. So swap Sucker Punch with 300, at least.

 

[Jaxon]

One lends itself to credible fact, while the other doesn't, and seems down right ludicrous.

Nolan RT

Batman Begins -
Critic 84%
Fan 94%

The Dark Knight -
Critic 94%
Fan 94%

TDK Rises -
Critic 87%
Fan 90%

A trilogy widely loved, critics and fans apart. Hugely influential films, that have already been aped or patterned after since their release. The Nolan films are likable, with a passionate fan base, non divisive. All apart from the humble beginnings with Begins, were also massive successes at the box office.

Now, Hack Snyder's RT

Watchmen -
Critic 65%
Fan 71%

Sucker Punch -
Critic 23%
Fan 47%

Man of Steel -
Critic 55%
Fan 75%

Batman v Superman -
Critic 27%
Fan 65%

Nolan's films are inspiration for what the genre can strive to be. Hack Snyder has quickly become a cautionary tale of what not to do.

Someone who can't present a coherent narrative, with discernible and focused themes ... with LIKABLE characters. Something important to do for films based on icons beloved the world over.

Nolan is a generational caliber film maker. Hack Snyder is a moron frat boy who thinks he's making art. He's a deluded Michael Bay. And that's what makes things worse. And why WB is finally trying to distance themselves from him.

Nolan's movies,post Avengers, would get smashed by critics and fans for being grim dark joyless affairs if released in the last 3 years. And fanboys would similarly being bashin on Nolan's Batman for not being able to fight or even be a decent detective. The Avengers affect is that it calibrated audiences and critics to what they should expect from this genre. Fanboys too now expect more than Nolan could ever provide.
Zack is providing that and I believe audiences will shortly transition from the Avengers effect as that novelty wears off and want more story. In this way history will peove kind to Snyder who is generationally ahead of his peers. The end.

 

[The Joker]

Nolan's movies,post Avengers, would get smashed by critics and fans for being grim dark joyless affairs if released in the last 3 years.

2 weeks ago over 175 critics from all around the world were asked to vote for the 100 best movies since 2000, and The Dark Knight made the list at #33;

http://www.bbc.com/culture/story/20160819-the-21st-centurys-100-greatest-films

Its the only comic book movie to make the list, too. Destroys your theory that critics would hate Nolan's movies post Avengers. If anything Nolan's Batman movies are the only ones that are respected beyond the CBM genre. This was also shown back in 2014, when Hollywood did a 100 favorite movies list based on the votes of Oscar winners, TV royalty, movie studio chiefs etc, and again TDK was the only CBM to make the list at #57;

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/li.../seven-samurai-hollywoods-100-favorite-818479

And fanboys would similarly being bashin on Nolan's Batman for not being able to fight or even be a decent detective. The Avengers affect is that it calibrated audiences and critics to what they should expect from this genre. Fanboys too now expect more than Nolan could ever provide.

Yeah that's why TDK just recently dominated a favorite movies of all time vote with thousands of public votes; http://mashable.com/2016/08/16/fav7films-movies-films-twitter-hashtag-dark-knight/#2jrXeePkzkqK

That's why TDKR is beating MOS by 183'000 votes here; https://www.buzzfeed.com/jasminnaha...o-movie-opinions?utm_term=.jropGklR#.kdg64Zop

Because fanboys expect more than Nolan can give, but Snyder can. I don't know what 'reality' you live in, Jaxon, where Snyder is satisfying the fan base more than Nolan did. But I'd love to see some factual proof to back up this theory you've concocted.

 

[Flint Marko]

Nolan's movies,post Avengers, would get smashed by critics and fans for being grim dark joyless affairs if released in the last 3 years. And fanboys would similarly being bashin on Nolan's Batman for not being able to fight or even be a decent detective. The Avengers affect is that it calibrated audiences and critics to what they should expect from this genre. Fanboys too now expect more than Nolan could ever provide.
Zack is providing that and I believe audiences will shortly transition from the Avengers effect as that novelty wears off and want more story. In this way history will peove kind to Snyder who is generationally ahead of his peers. The end.

 

[Erzengel]

The worst thing I can say about the Nolan movies is it "inspired" WB to use that formula across the entire DCEU.

 

[Jaxon]

2 weeks ago over 175 critics from all around the world were asked to vote for the 100 best movies since 2000, and The Dark Knight made the list at #33;

http://www.bbc.com/culture/story/20160819-the-21st-centurys-100-greatest-films

Its the only comic book movie to make the list, too. Destroys your theory that critics would hate Nolan's movies post Avengers. If anything Nolan's Batman movies are the only ones that are respected beyond the CBM genre. This was also shown back in 2014, when Hollywood did a 100 favorite movies list based on the votes of Oscar winners, TV royalty, movie studio chiefs etc, and again TDK was the only CBM to make the list at #57;

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/li.../seven-samurai-hollywoods-100-favorite-818479



Yeah that's why TDK just recently dominated a favorite movies of all time vote with thousands of public votes; http://mashable.com/2016/08/16/fav7films-movies-films-twitter-hashtag-dark-knight/#2jrXeePkzkqK

That's why TDKR is beating MOS by 183'000 votes here; https://www.buzzfeed.com/jasminnaha...o-movie-opinions?utm_term=.jropGklR#.kdg64Zop

Because fanboys expect more than Nolan can give, but Snyder can. I don't know what 'reality' you live in, Jaxon, where Snyder is satisfying the fan base more than Nolan did. But I'd love to see some factual proof to back up this theory you've concocted.

Retrospective review which is about how you felt at thw time ia different to releasing in the modern time. Of course you can't put fact to something that can't happen, but you can take a hypothetical stab at it.

 

[batfreakforever]

2 weeks ago over 175 critics from all around the world were asked to vote for the 100 best movies since 2000, and The Dark Knight made the list at #33;

http://www.bbc.com/culture/story/20160819-the-21st-centurys-100-greatest-films

Its the only comic book movie to make the list, too. Destroys your theory that critics would hate Nolan's movies post Avengers. If anything Nolan's Batman movies are the only ones that are respected beyond the CBM genre. This was also shown back in 2014, when Hollywood did a 100 favorite movies list based on the votes of Oscar winners, TV royalty, movie studio chiefs etc, and again TDK was the only CBM to make the list at #57;

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/li.../seven-samurai-hollywoods-100-favorite-818479



Yeah that's why TDK just recently dominated a favorite movies of all time vote with thousands of public votes; http://mashable.com/2016/08/16/fav7films-movies-films-twitter-hashtag-dark-knight/#2jrXeePkzkqK

That's why TDKR is beating MOS by 183'000 votes here; https://www.buzzfeed.com/jasminnaha...o-movie-opinions?utm_term=.jropGklR#.kdg64Zop

Because fanboys expect more than Nolan can give, but Snyder can. I don't know what 'reality' you live in, Jaxon, where Snyder is satisfying the fan base more than Nolan did. But I'd love to see some factual proof to back up this theory you've concocted.

I never thought I'd
say this but sorry Jaxon the Joker is right about his entire post. All of it.

 

[Jaxon]

I never thought I'd
say this but sorry Jaxon the Joker is right about his entire post. All of it.

My point is that film released today would get a huge negative reaction for things like;
Dark
No fun
Joyless
Incoherent plot
Motivations never explained

Internet coverage is far different now than even 2 years ago with all the click bait going
on.