The Catwoman/Selina Kyle Casting Thread - Part 2

[Black Narcissus]

God no. That'd imply a high level of education that's just wrong for someone that has the super miserable background growing up in the slums Selina has in the comics. Her smarts are street smarts and charm.

Maybe Reeves will change that but the most interesting portrayals of Selina have been the ones where her background is the complete opposite of Bruce's.

That is your choice, chief. I didnt climb down them smoky mountains and then jump off from a plane to have you choose my catwoman, chief. I know you are from bulgaria and down there if they tell you to wipe with a pinecone you do it, but I choose to wipe with them baby wipes, much easier. Now let me choose my british speaking catwoman in peace.

 

[Marvel united]

Gonna have to go with Joker on this one. I prefer the Selina Kyle from comics that comes from a poor, rough upbringing --who had to fight for everything she has ever wanted or achieved in life -- because it perfectly contrasts Bruce Wayne, who has always had everything handed to him on a silver platter. It makes Bruce see criminals through a more nuanced understanding.

And to me, it makes less sense for a british Selina having immigrated from Europe to have gone through those intense struggles early on in life. That's why De Armas keeping her accent works better because millions of Latinx are poor and struggling in America everyday. Kirby can and should do an American accent

It's not just about what sounds the most "sexy", which unfortunately seems to be the driving force for a lot of proposed castings and creative decisions surrounding Selina Kyle by fans

 

[Invader Joker]

Yes, and again, the entire premise of Selina Kyle being an immigrant from the UK doesn't even make sense because why the hell would someone from the UK migrate to a garbage city filled with crime like Gotham?

If she's gonna be caucasian it's better for her to be born and raised in Gotham. And if you're gonna add an immigrant subtext to her character it makes more sense for her to be from a third world country.

 

[C Prometheus]

Gonna have to go with Joker on this one. I prefer the Selina Kyle from comics that comes from a poor, rough upbringing --who had to fight for everything she has ever wanted or achieved in life -- because it perfectly contrasts Bruce Wayne, who has always had everything handed to him on a silver platter. It makes Bruce see criminals through a more nuanced understanding.

And to me, it makes less sense for a british Selina having immigrated from Europe to have gone through those intense struggles early on in life. That's why De Armas keeping her accent works better because millions of Latinx are poor and struggling in America everyday. Kirby can and should do an American accent

It's not just about what sounds the most "sexy", which unfortunately seems to be the driving force for a lot of proposed castings and creative decisions surrounding Selina Kyle by fans

I have to agree. There's a nice contrast to be had between Bruce and Selina that helps define their relationship by having Selina come from poverty, while Bruce grew up with wealth and privilege. That vanishes rather quickly IMO if we change Selina into a British who's immigrated to Gotham, as opposed to the idea of a Latina/Hispanic immigrant.

I'm all for Kirby playing Catwoman... but she should use an American accent here if possible, should she land the role.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

Gonna have to go with Joker on this one. I prefer the Selina Kyle from comics that comes from a poor, rough upbringing --who had to fight for everything she has ever wanted or achieved in life -- because it perfectly contrasts Bruce Wayne, who has always had everything handed to him on a silver platter. It makes Bruce see criminals through a more nuanced understanding.

Based on the character breakdown, that's what Firefly is going to be representing.

 

[Invader Joker]

I very much doubt Firefly is going to have a nuanced complicated personal relationship with Batman y'know.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

You could always give her a cockney accent.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

No british accent for Selina. She needs to be born and raised in Gotham and have everything in her persona demonstrate that.

THANK you.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

Ok, I’m sold!

 

[THE WOLF]

Meh

 

[Black Narcissus]

Ya'll are way too caught up in the immigrant/accent thing. She could be of Latina descent born and raised in gotham and still have an accent, just like may folks from PR, Mexico, DR, Cuban, still do while being born here. Gotham is basically NYC.

I'm also not saying she should be british just cause, but that she could speak multiple languages and that does not necessary mean being of wealth background etc, I know plenty of folks (including myself) who can speak more than one language and my bank account don't reflect that. lol

 

[TheComicbookKid]

I very much doubt Firefly is going to have a nuanced complicated personal relationship with Batman y'know.

You actually don't know what her relationship is to Batman is at this point.

The casting breakdown is the only maybe factual information about a character and that's the socialite outcast persona for Firefly.

 

[Jekecy]

Ya'll are way too caught up in the immigrant/accent thing. She could be of Latina descent born and raised in gotham and still have an accent, just like may folks from PR, Mexico, DR, Cuban, still do while being born here. Gotham is basically NYC.

More like 2 people repeating the same talking point over and over again while everyone else is watching for the next topic to roll around.

 

[Black Narcissus]

More like 2 people repeating the same talking point over and over again while everyone else is watching for the next topic to roll around.

 

[Gothamsknight]

She easily looks the part of Selina and can act as well. Sounds good to me!

 

[Marvel united]

Based on the character breakdown, that's what Firefly is going to be representing.

You actually don't know what her relationship is to Batman is at this point.

The casting breakdown is the only maybe factual information about a character and that's the socialite outcast persona for Firefly.

Unless Reeves is planning on changing Selina's backstory, I'm not sure how this negates Selina's poverty-stricken origins being the thematical antithesis to Bruce's silver spoon privilege. It serves to create a yin/yang dichotomy between these two characters and it only makes their relationship that much stronger and dynamic

There can be more than one "socialite outcast" in the movie. Many of Batman's villains can be considered just that.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

Unless Reeves is planning on changing Selina's backstory, I'm not sure how this negates Selina's poverty-stricken origins being the thematical antithesis to Bruce's silver spoon privilege. It serves to create a yin/yang dichotomy between these two characters and it only makes their relationship that much stronger and dynamic

There can be more than one "socialite outcast" in the movie. Many of Batman's villains can be considered just that.

And Spider-man has a lot of science genius turned villains but you don't put them in the same movie cause it's narratively redundant. Penguin and Catwoman in Returns came from opposite classes but were both narratively hurt by the upper class.

This movie has at least four villains(maybe six) of which only Penguin isn't from a working class background that I remember.

And since this is our first introduction to these versions, they're all getting mini "origin" movies in this one.

 

[Invader Joker]

And Spider-man has a lot of science genius turned villains but you don't put them in the same movie cause it's narratively redundant. Penguin and Catwoman in Returns came from opposite classes but were both narratively hurt by the upper class.

This movie has at least four villains(maybe six) of which only Penguin isn't from a working class background that I remember.

And since this is our first introduction to these versions, they're all getting mini "origin" movies in this one.

No they're not. I doubt they'll even reference the origins of most of them. All you need to know is what you see.

 

[Marvel united]

And Spider-man has a lot of science genius turned villains but you don't put them in the same movie cause it's narratively redundant. Penguin and Catwoman in Returns came from opposite classes but were both narratively hurt by the upper class.

This movie has at least four villains(maybe six) of which only Penguin isn't from a working class background that I remember.

And since this is our first introduction to these versions, they're all getting mini "origin" movies in this one.

Firefly is not the female lead of the film. His backstory coming from a foster home doesn't cancel out Selina's backstory as a "street rat"

'Fly is probably going to be a much less important character than Cobblepot, Nygma and Selina

 

[TheComicbookKid]

No they're not. I doubt they'll even reference the origins of most of them. All you need to know is what you see.

Sorry. There was a reason I put origins in quotations as in "origins"

I don't mean origins as in watching Doctor Octavius turn into Doc Ock.

I mean we don't know anything about Batman's relation to any of them. Is this Riddler's first crime? Has Penguin gotten out jail and taking over his lounge again? There needs to be some kind of introduction to their relation to Batman/Gotham and why they are related to this crime and not Clayface or Man-Bat.

The movie needs to establish these people's points of views so striking the whole poverty, abuse of the poor in Gotham with several of them is redundant. Since the casting breakdown went out of its way to mention Firefly's background, that's how his point-of-view is established in relation to his crimes.

 

[Invader Joker]

I mean... this movie will appareantly be entirely from Batman's point of view so I wouldn't count on seeing any of the villains PoVs. It'll all be through the eyes of Batman and how he perceives them and reacts in relation to them, which makes it so that if Catwoman is poor is a lot easier to show those nuances to the audience.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

Firefly is not the female lead of the film. His backstory coming from a foster home doesn't cancel out Selina's backstory as a "street rat"

'Fly is probably going to be a much less important character than Cobblepot, Nygma and Selina

This is all conjecture.

You have no idea of there's a female detective GCPD, Vicki Vale, or Leslie Thompkins in this movie with more screen time than Selina.

Catwoman has the name recognition.

I'm not saying anything is canceling out anything. I'm saying with that casting breakdown, he's the only one to get a defined identity.

None of us know if Reeves is changing Selina's backstory to give more views of Gotham's life on the streets. She could be a mobster's daughter for all you know.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

I mean... this movie will appareantly be entirely from Batman's point of view so I wouldn't count on seeing any of the villains PoVs. It'll all be through the eyes of Batman and how he perceives them and reacts in relation to them, which makes it so that if Catwoman is poor is a lot easier to show those nuances to the audience.

I apologize if i'm not making myself clear.

All superhero movies are from the heroes POV. Why they choose certain villains and not others is so they resonant with the themes of the movie the hero is facing.

Peter and Vulture both have working class background but Peter is given opportunity by Stark and Vulture is having it taken away. We don't need to see every event in the Vulture's life leading up to his becoming evil. We just need to points to make the theme work in relation Peter's journey.


If the crime in Reeves's Batman is someone taking revenge on the rich people of Gotham, then it makes sense to have people wronged by Gotham's elite and not say....go beat up Oliver Queen just cause he's a SJW.

 

[Invader Joker]

 

[TheScarecrow]

To me, that is Selina.