Civil War The Civil War "ANYTHING GOES" Thread - ENTER AT YOUR OWN RISK - NO SPOILER TAGS REQ.! - Part 1

[RedRose]

I really liked Hawkeye this go around.
You could tell the guy was getting on and hitting Stark's nerves during the imprisonment scene. It rang true to the character.
Besides, the guy is a supporting character.
Changing his backstory (having a family) isn't that big a deal. I like that he's the grizzled veteran of the group.
And I have most of his solo comic outings over the years.
I get it.
But if this film interpretation sucked, I'd be up in arms.
Besides, for what is first and foremost a CAPTAIN AMERICA focused film, we got great and interesting versions of most of these characters, Clint included.

This is nice to hear. I honestly think I will love Clint in this movie. I still hope we can see more of him at some point. Like if he can't have his own film, at least the level of Black Widow in the Cap films.

 

[markjoedelonge]

1) Didn't happen the version we saw.
2) Cap gets Iron Man prone on the ground and disables his arc reactor with a two-handed shield strike. He and Bucky then leave.
3) Bucky voluntarily goes back into cryofreeze since it's too dangerous for him to be active while he can still be triggered as a sleeper agent. Cap tells BP that since they're allied, people may look to come after them, to which BP replies... "Let them try." You get a pan shot of the Wakandan jungle where their base is, including a pretty wicked shot of a panther statue.

that sounds awesome! thanks for the answers mate!

 

[Venom'sDad]

Ant-man is shot via Hawkeye to the top of the truck and he backflip kicks Spidy while enlarging. He hands Cap the shield back.

This is before the big lineup battle royal. This is the very beginning of the fight. At first it's just CA standing alone in front of Tony's crew with the rest off hiding. That's how Ant-man surprises everyone.

Nah. Hawkeye shooting Ant-Man happens later in that fight. Cap is alone with IM, War Machine, Spiderman, etc. They talk, Spiderman takes the shield, and eventually Cap calls out to Scott, who's already shrunk down and sitting on Spiderman. Then he enlarges and throws the shield back to cap. Fight ensues.

I'm pretty sure Ant-man was shot twice by Hawkeye, how else did he end up on Spider-man? I thought they showed him flying towards him.

I thought Ant-Man was already on the shield even before it was grabbed

Maybe, I could have sworn I saw him flying in to Spider-man. I do remember they made a bigger deal of him on the arrow later when he's shot at IronMan. Maybe I'm wrong.h

He was already on it. It was a surprise maneuver.

Hmmm....so not one time did Spidey "Spider-Sense" forewarn him of pending danger?

 

[captainrogers]

Hmmm....so not one time did Spidey "Spider-Sense" forewarn him of pending danger?

It might have.
But the biggest misconception is that it automatically means he can avoid all things or that he somehow knows EXACTLY what the nature of the danger is.
Besides, earlier when speaking to Stark he does make mention that the reason he wears the goggles, is because it helps him keep focus.
There's a bit of sensory overload ever since he got these powers 6 months ago.

Here's how I personally made sense of it earlier in this thread:

His Spidey sense is alluded to.
But it's more in the sense that it's sensory overload at this point.
He is only about 6 months into these powers. Unfocused, if you will.
So I'm sure in the presence of all these superpowered beings it's probably a crapshoot at that point.
Personally?
I've always looked at the Spidersense as an innate equivalent of someone yelling "Heads Up!" To an incoming projectile. You know somethings coming, but it's up to your reflexes to dodge.
You're not always gonna catch everything. (Super agility helps)
In that sense, Daredevil MIGHT almost have the preferred "warning system" (feeling where everything is in relation to you) but, y'know: technically blind.
Hope any of what I said makes sense.

 

[cryptic name]

Hmmm....so not one time did Spidey "Spider-Sense" forewarn him of pending danger?

We don't know how this Spidey's version works, but my guess is that in the middle of this fight with all these other super powered people, his spider sense would already be going crazy and so it wouldn't really register a specific threat.

 

[MbJ]

I hear Hawkeye has some great lines and it really makes me happy.

 

[Cameron007]

I have some questions.

1. Does Crossbones get killed off? I saw that he's completely wasted, but that could mean several things.

2. Does Ant-Man turn into Giant Man?

3. This is more of a nitpick, but how much screen time does Ross (Hurt, not Freeman) have? Is it just the scene where he introduces the Accords?

4. Why does Vision shoot War Machine?

5. Is it true that John Slattery appears as Howard Stark? Do we finally get to see his and Maria's death? What does it entail?

6. Is Pepper in the movie or not? It said she filmed scenes, but others say she's not in it. Did she perhaps get Loki's AOU treatment?

7. Is Bucky still unstable by the end of the film?

8. How is Henry Jackman's score?

 

[JtheDreamer]

I have some questions.

1. Does Crossbones get killed off? I saw that he's completely wasted, but that could mean several things.

Yes. He's basically a suicide bomber.

2. Does Ant-Man turn into Giant Man?

Yes. He said he learned it one day messing around in the lab.

3. This is more of a nitpick, but how much screen time does Ross (Hurt, not Freeman) have? Is it just the scene where he introduces the Accords?

He has like 3-4 scenes. His involvement is kind of minimal in the overall scheme of things other than presenting them with the Accords and operating the Raft.

4. Why does Vision shoot War Machine?

It's an accident. War Machine, Iron Man, and Falcon are all flying in the air as Cap/Bucky take off in the Quinjet for Siberia. War Machine tells Vision to fire at Falcon's pack to disable his flight. He misses because he's slightly distracted by Scarlett Witch.

5. Is it true that John Slattery appears as Howard Stark? Do we finally get to see his and Maria's death? What does it entail?

Yes to both. It confirms what we already knew from CA:TWS. But Stark now finds out and that's what gets him so mad at Cap at the end when they fight - because Rogers never told him about it.

6. Is Pepper in the movie or not? It said she filmed scenes, but others say she's not in it. Did she perhaps get Loki's AOU treatment?

She's not. She fails to show up to a speech Stark gives at MIT. Stark later tells Cap that they're on a break because he just doesn't know how to give up his Iron Man suits.

7. Is Bucky still unstable by the end of the film?

No he seems fine, but he's worried about ever being activated again so he has Black Panther's scientist put him back in cryo-sleep.

8. How is Henry Jackman's score?

Forgettable. I had such high hopes after the score they used for the second trailer.

See my answers above.

 

[Mister J]

I have some questions.

1. Does Crossbones get killed off? I saw that he's completely wasted, but that could mean several things.

2. Does Ant-Man turn into Giant Man?

3. This is more of a nitpick, but how much screen time does Ross (Hurt, not Freeman) have? Is it just the scene where he introduces the Accords?

4. Why does Vision shoot War Machine?

5. Is it true that John Slattery appears as Howard Stark? Do we finally get to see his and Maria's death? What does it entail?

6. Is Pepper in the movie or not? It said she filmed scenes, but others say she's not in it. Did she perhaps get Loki's AOU treatment?

7. Is Bucky still unstable by the end of the film?

8. How is Henry Jackman's score?

1. Yes, though I wouldn't say 'completed wasted'. After being bested by Cap, he triggers a suicide vest and Scarlet Witch manages to move him out of the immediate vicinity ground-level, but too close to an occupied building (as she can't fully control it) where a number of casualties take places. This furthers the impetus of the accords and sets up the conflict in the film.

2. Yes and it's ****ing awesome.

3. Not a lot. It's the scene discussing the necessity of the accords and a later scene, some back and forth with a snarky Stark and another regarding prisoners on the Raft. I might be missing a minor scene or two, but overall, the accords scene is the bulk of his work.

4. It's in error. He's looking to bring down Falcon, there's movement/dodging and he hits Rhodes. Afterwards, he attributes it to being distracted, which is (IMO) meant to underscore that these are friends fighting amongst each other and the general unsettling nature.

5. Yes and yes. Bucky runs them off the road in archive footage. Howard is seemingly knocked outside the vehicle. Bucky gives him two vicious punches to the head, killing him. Maria, still seatbelted in the damaged vehicle, is crying out for him and Bucky comes around to her side and strangles her.

6. She's not in the film, but a few mentions of her are made, yielding that she and Tony are 'on a break' because of his Iron Man activities.

7. He's pretty much reconciled on what's been done to him and chooses to go back into cryofreeze until he can be rendered safe. A lot of weight here given what he's done and the acknowledgement that he's not the Winter Soldier/an unfeeling assassin.

8. Passable. I don't recall being swayed by the accompaniment, one way or the other. Not bad, but more just background stuff.

 

[Venom'sDad]

It might have.
But the biggest misconception is that it automatically means he can avoid all things or that he somehow knows EXACTLY what the nature of the danger is.
Besides, earlier when speaking to Stark he does make mention that the reason he wears the goggles, is because it helps him keep focus.
There's a bit of sensory overload ever since he got these powers 6 months ago.

Here's how I personally made sense of it earlier in this thread:

Your previous description make sense; however, his senses forewarn of danger...its his skill, speed, & agility, what helps or aid him, in avoiding dangers or locate the (source or nature) of that pending danger. It's just a trigger...that I figured would activate, being Antman is on the shield that Spidey was currently holding, regardless if Spidey didn't know exactly, what was triggering his senses.

As far as the goggles...he's wearing a more advance pair of lenses, I'm sure Tony took under considerations, to aid Peter to focus, when Ton incorporate it into the costume....so I would think, being about to focus, at that point with Antman on the shield, would be mute.

Thanks for answering....your description help make it clearer, what was going on and why, in that scene.

 

[ernesth100]

Is aunt mays hair grey? Does age show or do they let tomei make up herself?

 

[NotSoLongAgo]

Is aunt mays hair grey? Does age show or do they let tomei make up herself?

If anything they play up her youth. She looks hot in the movie

 

[LEVITIKUZ]

I need to know bc I heard this.

Does Spidey defeat Ant-Man by basically going all Snowspeeder to Ant-Man's AT-AT?

If so, that may be the most awesome thing ever done in a comic book film.

 

[NotSoLongAgo]

I need to know bc I heard this.

Does Spidey defeat Ant-Man by basically going all Snowspeeder to Ant-Man's AT-AT?

If so, that may be the most awesome thing ever done in a comic book film.

There's an empire reference thrown in too

 

[ernesth100]

Lame. Makes me think that Misty Knight won't lose an arm either in Luke Cage.

Oh no she definately will. Marvel Netflix seems to take the R-Rating like a blessing and do whatever they want. I don't see any reason why they wouldn't.

 

[Cameron007]

Thank you JtheDreamer and Mister J for your answers. They were very helpful.

 

[LEVITIKUZ]

There's an empire reference thrown in too

I'm dead lol.

The only thing I may dislike so far bout the rumors is it seems Spidey is basically Quicksilver. Would be nice to see him switch sides & help Cap but still that scene will be too damn epic.

The Russos are becoming like the perfect combo of Raimi & Nolan.

 

[sophymillz]

1. Why would they have Camera footage of WS killing the Starks?
2. Does WS just kill both of them with his bare hands?
3. What were the last words from both Howard and Maria?

1. It's security footage, and they kept it to cut ties I guess.
2. Yes he does
3.

Spoiler

martha

Spoiler

Who's Martha???

 

[Chesterfield]

3) Bucky voluntarily goes back into cryofreeze since it's too dangerous for him to be active while he can still be triggered as a sleeper agent. Cap tells BP that since they're allied, people may look to come after them, to which BP replies... "Let them try." You get a pan shot of the Wakandan jungle where their base is, including a pretty wicked shot of a panther statue.

 

[ernesth100]

So based on what I've heard since Bucky is in Wakanda. I just get the feeling IW is gonna open with Team Cap invading Wakanda to try and get Bucky out.

Or better yet. Use Bucky as a twist for Black Panther in the Black Panther film.

 

[pidd]

So based on what I've heard since Bucky is in Wakanda. I just get the feeling IW is gonna open with Team Cap invading Wakanda to try and get Bucky out.

Or better yet. Use Bucky as a twist for Black Panther in the Black Panther film.

Why would he need to be broken out? It was his choice to be put there

 

[Wylie Times]

So based on what I've heard since Bucky is in Wakanda. I just get the feeling IW is gonna open with Team Cap invading Wakanda to try and get Bucky out.

Or better yet. Use Bucky as a twist for Black Panther in the Black Panther film.

So basically Cap's Avengers are going to be slaughtered?

If they had Team Cap trying to invade Wakanda i'd be SO pissed because that either means Cap's team is being stupid or Wakanda been severely neutered.

Kevin Feige did say that Black Panther would be a direct lead in to infinity War.

 

[Venom'sDad]

@captainrogers...one block of questions:

1)How exactly did Tony deduce that Peter was Spidey, which led him to visit Peter?

2)Was Peter like in awe that Tony came to his house, and quip about it?

3)What reason did Tony give to convince Aunt May to allow Peter to accompany him to Germany?

and

4) How did Peter part ways after the fight? In otherwords, did Tony just say, "we will be in touch" and send him home on a flight back to the States, and that was that?

 

[DN91]

So based on what I've heard since Bucky is in Wakanda. I just get the feeling IW is gonna open with Team Cap invading Wakanda to try and get Bucky out.

Or better yet. Use Bucky as a twist for Black Panther in the Black Panther film.

Why would Cap's team invade Wakanda? It's pretty clear in that mid-credits scene that Steve and T'Challa are on diplomatic terms since they managed to work out a deal to have Bucky stay in Wakanda to be in cryosleep. If anything, Black Panther would be more than welcoming to Cap's team rather than being openly hostile.

 

[Wylie Times]

Cap tells BP that since they're allied, people may look to come after them, to which BP replies... "Let them try." You get a pan shot of the Wakandan jungle where their base is, including a pretty wicked shot of a panther statue.

Like seriously, I think the thing that a lot of casual fans and even some avid comic book readers don't get is that Wakanda isn't just technologically advanced and full of scientists, they're supposed to have the worlds oldest and strongest military.

Everything Kevin Feige, Ryan Coogler, and Chadwick Boseman have said points to them treating Wakanda as important part of the MCU moving forward and it being the Wakanda typically shown in the comics.

In the comics Wakanda initially fought off an invasion by Thanos, slaughtered a skrull armada that attempted to invade, and at one point revealed they huge battleships stashed all around the globe.