Civil War The Civil War "ANYTHING GOES" Thread - ENTER AT YOUR OWN RISK - NO SPOILER TAGS REQ.! - Part 1

[The Batman]

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martha

Hhahahahahaha, thanks for the answers...

 

[TalismanRing]

Why would Cap's team invade Wakanda? It's pretty clear in that mid-credits scene that Steve and T'Challa are on diplomatic terms since they managed to work out a deal to have Bucky stay in Wakanda to be in cryosleep. If anything, Black Panther would be more than welcoming to Cap's team rather than being openly hostile.

Exactly, Cap was a guest and they seemed on friendly terms. BP was doing him and Bucky a favor - and I gather to make up for trying to murder him a few times will now safeguard him.

"Let them try."

 

[TalismanRing]

Oh no she definately will. Marvel Netflix seems to take the R-Rating like a blessing and do whatever they want. I don't see any reason why they wouldn't.

That and Marvel LOVES lopping arms and hands off! It's Feige's ESB homage. t:

 

[captainrogers]

@captainrogers...one block of questions:

1)How exactly did Tony deduce that Peter was Spidey, which led him to visit Peter?

2)Was Peter like in awe that Tony came to his house, and quip about it?

3)What reason did Tony give to convince Aunt May to allow Peter to accompany him to Germany?

and

4) How did Peter part ways after the fight? In otherwords, did Tony just say, "we will be in touch" and send him home on a flight back to the States, and that was that?

It wasn't exactly elaborated on from what I remember. I'm just guessing Tony put two and two and equations together to deduce his identity. (Given where Spidey lives and operates and possible timing of his appearance and whatever science accident led to his getting those powers.)
It wouldn't be impossible for Stark, I think.

And yeah. Pete was in awe . And awkward. Perfect.

The Germany trip? Probably some science grant thing. (That was the smoke screen for the visit, after all)

Nah. Tony told him he did great but he was Done. Spidey had gotten pegged pretty good helping take down Giant Scott Lang.
And being underage, Tony knew it was probably for the best to bench the poor kid.

 

[The Batman]

Does this film work as a final film in the solo Cap trilogy? Does it wrap up themes and elements from the previous two films?

 

[captainrogers]

Does this film work as a final film in the solo Cap trilogy? Does it wrap up themes and elements from the previous two films?

I think it does.
Cap is absolutely more sure of himself as an individual and his place in the world.
His letter to Tony and the final shot of Steve and Sam was a great way to wrap this trilogy while Still being a thrust point to the shaken status quo of the Marvel Universe.

 

[TalismanRing]

Does this film work as a final film in the solo Cap trilogy? Does it wrap up themes and elements from the previous two films?

Yes, it wraps things up the way IM3 does did but since it's a Cap film it ends bitter sweet. It's Cap saving something from his past but still not totally getting it while losing something from his present but retaining some of what he gained. And it sets him up for future adventures, it's not an end to his story.

 

[DN91]

Yes, it wraps things up the way IM3 does did but since it's a Cap film it ends bitter sweet. It's Cap saving something from his past but still not totally getting it while losing something from his present but retaining some of what he gained. And it sets him up for future adventures, it's not an end to his story.

It's kind of bittersweet, but more leaning towards the "hopeful" side with the ending showing Steve's letter to Tony.

 

[TalismanRing]

It's kind of bittersweet, but more leaning towards the "hopeful" side with the ending showing Steve's letter to Tony.

I was so glad we got that letter and it wasn't posthumous. t:

It would have been fun to see Steve breaking into the Raft and taking everyone down and rescuing his team because it would have been awesome action and a fun triumphant note but it wouldn't have fit in with the ending of the film. That smile between Steve and Sam was enough.

Of course we knew he'd get them out when Bucky asked what about the others and Steve matter of factly said he'd take care of it. I was a bit worried it meant turning himself in an exchange and the last shot would have been him alone in the Raft. That would have broke me.

 

[The Batman]

Thanks for the answers. I'm liking what I read.

 

[Borden]

Can I learn. Who will win? Cap or İronman? =)

 

[KBX]

One of Caps last lines to Stark is "You are the leader of the Avengers now" so there is a possibility the beginning of Infinity War we have Stark lead the team consist of War Machine, Vision, Spiderman, and possibly someone else like Captain Marvel. A "Mighty" Avengers team sort of speak.

 

[KBX]

Like seriously, I think the thing that a lot of casual fans and even some avid comic book readers don't get is that Wakanda isn't just technologically advanced and full of scientists, they're supposed to have the worlds oldest and strongest military.

Everything Kevin Feige, Ryan Coogler, and Chadwick Boseman have said points to them treating Wakanda as important part of the MCU moving forward and it being the Wakanda typically shown in the comics.

In the comics Wakanda initially fought off an invasion by Thanos, slaughtered a skrull armada that attempted to invade, and at one point revealed they huge battleships stashed all around the globe.

Oh I would kill to see Thanos try to get a hold of Vision's infinity stone when he is under Wakanda's army protection.

 

[Tg11]

Either way Cap will still factor into Infinity War somehow

 

[KBX]

Can I learn. Who will win? Cap or İronman? =)

Cap won the fight, with the help of Bucky. Sorta lost because he might be a wanted man.

Either way Cap will still factor into Infinity War somehow

Of course - Cap is the leader that basically every Avenger respects and looks up to.

 

[Tg11]

But then if Cap is in Infinity War, then I wonder how he and Tony will be able to fight alongside each other again? I mean given the events of what will happen in Civil War I mean how will these 2 be able to co-exist?

 

[ernesth100]

Why would he need to be broken out? It was his choice to be put there

True. So maybe Bucky will eventually be let out by BP himself thus helping connect the story to the IW. For example, I had this little nifty idea.

Spoiler

Klaw returns upgraded with vibranium from Baron Zemo. Klaw and Zemo initiate a plan to break into the facility and get Bucky out. Klaw distracts the forces with his vibranium powers(since Klaw is basically composed of pure sound, it's hard to shoot and kill him). It succeeds and just as Bucky is out of stasis Panther arrives and him and a Zemo controlled Bucky battle. Zemo watches as Panther and Bucky battles and goes to steal more Vibranium, to make an army of Klaw like soldiers, while town is in ruins from Klaw.


Klaw and Zemo make their way to the mines while Panther hears the town in distress and overcomes Bucky. When Bucky comes too he remembers Panther. Panther agrees not to kill Bucky if he helps in the plan to defeat Zemo and Klaw. They go through some team issues and Zemo almost makes Bucky attack Panther again but Bucky overcomes it thanks to the power of the vibranium causing a shock to his brain. Together the two defeat Zemo and use Klaws sound state against him to cause a wave that disrupts him scattering his atoms. In the process of Zemo's defeat and when Klaw is scattered there's an explosion resulting in Zemo's face being scarred.


The Vibranium mine goes unstable and begins crumbling. Zemo escapes with Klaw's "Claw" from which he plans to reform Klaw. Panther gets help for Bucky's mental state and it appears he's broken free. But Panther tells Bucky near the end that Wakanda's space program has detected large fluctuations in space. Stars dissappearing, planets destroyed, each time something closer to Earth, someting big is coming. So Black Panther must find all the heroes and alert them so they can be ready for whats coming.


Obviously that's not all that happens. But you get the general jist of the plot I'm tryna make.

 

[Wylie Times]

But then if Cap is in Infinity War, then I wonder how he and Tony will be able to fight alongside each other again? I mean given the events of what will happen in Civil War I mean how will these 2 be able to co-exist?

The world coming to and end tends to make people put their personal grudges aside.

 

[Borden]

Cap won the fight, with the help of Bucky. Sorta lost because he might be a wanted man.



Of course - Cap is the leader that basically every Avenger respects and looks up to.

thanks bro

 

[captainrogers]

But then if Cap is in Infinity War, then I wonder how he and Tony will be able to fight alongside each other again? I mean given the events of what will happen in Civil War I mean how will these 2 be able to co-exist?

It's in that last letter Steve Sent. And the phone.
Think of it as an olive branch.
It's up to Tony now.
And the look in Tony's eye, is a glimmer of hope .
Theirs was a BRUTAL fight. But it was one born of the immediate Moment.
Time will definitely have a hand in mending some, if not all these wounds.

 

[KBX]

And knowing Stark he will have to royally get his ass handed to him by some unknown entity(Thanos) to even pick up the phone.

 

[Tg11]

You're right and nothing brings people closer together than that of a common enemy

 

[ernesth100]

You're right and nothing brings people closer together than that of a common enemy

I mean isnt that the entire premises of the Avengers. A threat no one hero could face?

 

[MichaelChen]

Why is that whenever someone doesn't like the on-screen version of a character, they think the "real" version is out there? It's mandarin all over again. Sure the one-shot said there was a real mandarin but the chances of us seeing him are slim to none.

No, the one-shot said that there is an ancient warrior-king out there. That's not remotely the real Mandarin, a rich kid who squandered all his money on martial arts and scientific training and ended up as the world's best-trained hobo.

 

[Tg11]

Thanos is the ultimate enemy and that is the beauty of it possibly the most powerful being in the whole Marvel universe