Civil War The Civil War "ANYTHING GOES" Thread - ENTER AT YOUR OWN RISK - NO SPOILER TAGS REQ.! - Part 2

[Legendver2]

So guys....that Aunt May

 

[Smilodon]

This was mainly the case with the stairwell fight scenes with Cap and Bucky against the task unit. Still great action though.

However, I haven't seen anyone really mention how excellent black widow was in this. Her parkour and fight scenes in Nigeria were phenomenal; she was kicking ass and had some of the best fight scenes in any action movie; period.

This x 100! Staheleski and Leitch just turned Natasha Romanoff into the one you send to kill Baba Yaga herself there. I was keeping my eyes peeled for all of the hand to hand bits there. As great as seeing Spidey fly around and Giant Man squat things, the hand to hand stuff between T'Challa, Bucky, Nat, Hawkeye etc. were the standouts.

If we ever get a Black Widow film, I'd start demanding it be helmed by Staheleski and Leitch.

 

[MadVillainy]

I'm sure this will be explained,

But in the end Scott Lang is a wanted criminal again right? I wonder how it'll affect Ant-Man and the Wasp if at all

 

[Smilodon]

I guess Cap breaks him out, but I'd love for Paxton to stand with Scott, even after what happened in Germany. Cassie could ask Paxton if her dad did something bad and he could be like, "Nothing, your dad is an Avenger and a hero."

But that's just me being a fan of how they handled Scott and Paxton in Ant-Man. I'd also wanna see Hank go on a tirade against those Starks haha.

 

[MadVillainy]

Cap definitely breaks him out along with the others, but as I said that means he's a fugitive.

Idk I just wish I got more explanation of why Scott joined Team Cap after he just got out of jail not to long ago; letting his daughter/baby mama down by going to jail even if he was doing something for the right reasons.

Because, didn't he go to jail for stealing, again for good reasons, prior to Ant-Man?

 

[Smilodon]

Cap def. break him out along with the others, but as I said that means he's a fugitive.

Yeah I know, I just want to see a nice character moment like that from Paxton haha. Scott's going along with it so it will most def be interesting to see in the sequel.

 

[mightiest_mortal]

This x 100! Staheleski and Leitch just turned Natasha Romanoff into the one you send to kill Baba Yaga herself there. I was keeping my eyes peeled for all of the hand to hand bits there. As great as seeing Spidey fly around and Giant Man squat things, the hand to hand stuff between T'Challa, Bucky, Nat, Hawkeye etc. were the standouts.

If we ever get a Black Widow film, I'd start demanding it be helmed by Staheleski and Leitch.

Yeah. I thought Black Widows fighting style in IM2 was great, but ever since then it's felt more like silly Buffy fighting. Civil War really made her seem like a skilled (and ruthless) badass again.

 

[Smilodon]

I guess in a way we had gotten a bit used to how she fought since IM2. Stahelski and Leitch upped the ante a bit for her, so to speak. I actually didn't think Cap's fighting was all that remarkable compared to the TWS, but that's obviously because he's fighting CGI this go around instead of Sebastian Stan, so that's understandable.

Also, the highway scene in TWS is really hard to top.

 

[ParkerPeter]

I thought it was really average. The overuse of CG makes it hard for me to believe what's happening. Iron Man's armour looked so fake when they were in daylight.

Every fight sequence was uninvolving, I glossed over during most of it, we've seen it all before, everybody did what you'd expect, apart from giant Ant-Man.

I kept waiting for the fights to go to the next level, to surprise me, they didn't.

Spidey was great. His scene at the apartment was the highlight. Black Panther was good too.

It's really dull to look at. Amazing Spider-Man 2 was so bright and vibrant, the Marvel films have settled for grey skies and flat lighting.

The reasoning for the airport fight was so contrived, it felt manufactured.

Why wasn't the whole airport fight centred around Cap and Bucky running across to escape? It should have been this whole chase with everyone else fighting it out to help them/stop them.

Instead you have everyone needlessly fighting in the air and stuff, it's stupid.

Don't have Hawkeye go into retirement off-screen, then say he's come out of retirement. There's better ways to explain that, come on now!

Also, having Tony kind of go back and fill in the gaps and explain the plotholes of how he went back to being Iron Man after IM3 and AoU... it was clunky.

So, at the end, everyone's kind of friends again? Tony letting Cap go and break Team Cap out? It's just lame, all this getting locked up, getting out, what's the point if everything's reset to zero by the end?

They should have been building up to this in the last couple of films, also ideally had Tony spotting Spidey in Age of Ultron briefly to bed that in. They had the perfect catalyst for it with Tony creating Ultron, but no.

 

[MadVillainy]

I wouldn't say theyre all friends again.

I think they're just too tired to chase Cap down at the end of the movie. Maybe in IW they'll still be chasing them

 

[samsnee]

How could Tony have spotted Spider-man in Age of Ultron when Marvel didn't have the partnership with Sony yet?

 

[ParkerPeter]

How could Tony have spotted Spider-man in Age of Ultron when Marvel didn't have the partnership with Sony yet?

They had a few months to edit some oblique reference in, in the background or something.

I just think it's a shame there was no build-up to him, Tony recruits him... for the airport fight? It's just flimsy.

It was nice how they set up the grant at the start though.

Also, the first credits scene, the whole idea is redundant if it's a scene like that, it undercut the ending of the film, put it before the credits!

 

[natey2k4]

I thought it was really average. The overuse of CG makes it hard for me to believe what's happening. Iron Man's armour looked so fake when they were in daylight.

Every fight sequence was uninvolving, I glossed over during most of it, we've seen it all before, everybody did what you'd expect, apart from giant Ant-Man.

I kept waiting for the fights to go to the next level, to surprise me, they didn't.

Spidey was great. His scene at the apartment was the highlight. Black Panther was good too.

It's really dull to look at. Amazing Spider-Man 2 was so bright and vibrant, the Marvel films have settled for grey skies and flat lighting.

The reasoning for the airport fight was so contrived, it felt manufactured.

Why wasn't the whole airport fight centred around Cap and Bucky running across to escape? It should have been this whole chase with everyone else fighting it out to help them/stop them.

Instead you have everyone needlessly fighting in the air and stuff, it's stupid.

Don't have Hawkeye go into retirement off-screen, then say he's come out of retirement. There's better ways to explain that, come on now!

Also, having Tony kind of go back and fill in the gaps and explain the plotholes of how he went back to being Iron Man after IM3 and AoU... it was clunky.

So, at the end, everyone's kind of friends again? Tony letting Cap go and break Team Cap out? It's just lame, all this getting locked up, getting out, what's the point if everything's reset to zero by the end?

They should have been building up to this in the last couple of films, also ideally had Tony spotting Spidey in Age of Ultron briefly to bed that in. They had the perfect catalyst for it with Tony creating Ultron, but no.

Hawkeye was retired in AoU. That was pretty clear.

In the airport scene, they we're all trying to escape with Cap and Bucky at first until they realized it was impossible.

I'm pretty sure everything isn't okay. Tony didn't let them break them out. Cap just let him know.

The movie shouldn't be bright. Ninja Turtles was bright.. is that a masterpiece?

 

[ParkerPeter]

Hawkeye was retired in AoU. That was Pretty clear.

I guess yeah. So why do that at all if you're going to bring him back in the next film? They've got to get better at thinking ahead.

 

[natey2k4]

I guess yeah. So why do that at all if you're going to bring him back in the next film? They've got to get better at thinking ahead.

Retired people never retire and then come back? Look at sports stars.

Hawkeye planned to stay retired. He turned down Nat's request to join. But Clint wasn't about to let Wanda be treated like a prisoner without a fight. Plus, with his farm it's pretty clear he believes in freedom and living off the grid.

 

[ParkerPeter]

The movie shouldn't be bright. Ninja Turtles was bright.. is that a masterpiece?

It's a comic book movie and so far, the furthest Marvel have gone with that is Avengers and Age of Ultron, both flat and grey just like Winter Soldier and Civil War.

It looks like a TV movie with a big CG budget. It's rarely cinematic.

 

[Supernova]

Yeah I liked the film but didnt love it. I started out on caps side especially at peggys funeral but by the end I was on starks side. The airport fight is easily the best action part of the film and starks revelation on his parents death is the best acted part.

There were obviously weak or bad parts where I was scratching my head like the woman in the beginning showing stark her dead sons photo just came out of nowhere and provided a weak excuse for tony to side with government control. Also tony needed something more meaty to give into government control given his past films showed him not trusting or listening to the government.

 

[natey2k4]

Yeah I liked the film but didnt love it. I started out on caps side especially at peggys funeral but by the end I was on starks side. The airport fight is easily the best action part of the film and starks revelation on his parents death is the best acted part.

There were obviously weak or bad parts where I was scratching my head like the woman in the beginning showing stark her dead sons photo just came out of nowhere and provided a weak excuse for tony to side with government control. Also tony needed something more meaty to give into government control given his past films showed him not trusting or listening to the government.

Tony was already in an emotional state because of his break-up with Pepper.

 

[WilliamK99]

The only thing that would have made this movie better was if Tony and Steve stop fighting because they realize both of their best friends names are named James... It would have been such a touching moment and in no way would it have made the ending to their fight seem idiotic and contrived... t:

 

[Supernova]

Tony was already in an emotional state because of his break-up with Pepper.

Which was another thing I was scratching my head over. When did that happen?

 

[Supernova]

The only thing that would have made this movie better was if Tony and Steve stop fighting because they realize both of their best friends names are named James... It would have been such a touching moment and in no way would it have made the ending to their fight seem idiotic and contrived... t:

Ironically starks mommy daddy issues started the end fight where as the dc folm ended the fight.

 

[WilliamK99]

Which was another thing I was scratching my head over. When did that happen?

Not everything has to happen on camera. Because the events in the MCU happen approximately the same time as our reality, stuff like breakups will happen off camera...

 

[MadVillainy]

It was lame that such a serious relationship was ended off screen, but what could they do?

Didn't Paltrow say she didn't wanna just come back to be the love interest and she wanted to actually move the plot forward if she is to return?

So yeah it sucked, but Marvel's hands were tied and it shouldnt be held against them

 

[Supernova]

Not everything has to happen on camera. Because the events in the MCU happen approximately the same time as our reality, stuff like breakups will happen off camera...

True but a characters motivations and character building should be on camera. If they didnt put that in there at all no one would have even noticed. Or in last years ultron put in a quick nod or notion that stark and pepper are at odds with him continuing his avengers gig. Same with ultron last year too where to he just shows up in a ironman suit after ironman 3 blowing all his suits up and giving up the life to be with pepper.

Not everything has to be on camera of course but filling in gaps like where characters were when we last saw them are kind of crucial. Just alot of things happened off camera in this movie for me to ignore especially the big one where cap knew Bucky killed starks parents. When and how did that come up?

 

[Supernova]

It was lame that such a serious relationship was ended off screen, but what could they do?

Didn't Paltrow say she didn't wanna just come back to be the love interest and she wanted to actually move the plot forward if she is to return?

So yeah it sucked, but Marvel's hands were tied and it shouldnt be held against them

I heard that rumor too but I Thought she loved doing these films.