Civil War The Civil War "ANYTHING GOES" Thread - ENTER AT YOUR OWN RISK - NO SPOILER TAGS REQ.! - Part 1

[Ant-Man26]

A little part of me was hoping that the Wasp would be the one to break Team Cap outta the prison. The possibility of a Secret Avengers team with Hank Pym on their side makes me very happy.

 

[Best]

Who is Bucky trying to kill after what we're shown in the clip where he takes on Tony, Sharon, Nat & T'Challa?

 

[Herolee10]

Kind of makes me wonder though...how will the New Avengers (under Steve's Command) function without the unlimited amount of resources and funds that they were previously getting from Stark?

Last time that I checked, they didn't have any other rich benefactors that were still on their side after the Civil War Debacle.

 

[noakai]

Kind of makes me wonder though...how will the New Avengers (under Steve's Command) function without the unlimited amount of resources and funds that they were previously getting from Stark?

Last time that I checked, they didn't have any other rich benefactors that were still on their side after the Civil War Debacle.

It depends on where they actually are located. I was thinking that T'Challa could fund them in Wakanda, but if they're trying to stay under the radar, they probably can't be operating openly or Wakanda would take heat (not that anyone could do anything to them). But if the Accords are a UN thing, doesn't that mean that Team Cap are fugitives in multiple countries across the world, not just the US? That probably makes Avenging pretty hard.

 

[shaoting]

I may have missed it in the original thread, but do they show Stark "Suiting" up beyond what's been shown in the tv spots (armor forming around his hand)? If his CW armor is the "Bleeding Edge" tech, it'd be pretty cool to see how it's formed in its entirety.

 

[TyBig]

They pretty much have to make him a Black Panther villain now. I really don't like the idea of T'Challa letting him live. There obviously must be more context to that. That runs completely counter to the character I know from the comic and how he's normally shown to feel about the person that kills his father.

Nah they don't. Him letting Zemo live was a callback to fantastic four #53 where he let klaw live.

 

[natey2k4]

Power meter from the airport battle: (imo)

1. Scarlet Witch
2. Vision
3. Spider-man
4. Ant-man
5. Captain America
6. Black Panther
7. Iron Man
8. Bucky
9. War Machine
10. Falcon
11. Black Widow
12. Hawkeye

Ugh figures Hawkeye is at the bottom.

Screw you, MCU! He's like the greatest Avenger of all-time and treated like this! (Marvel themselves ranked him #2 behind only Cap).

 

[natey2k4]

From what I can tell Hawkeye is the least popular of the "Big 6" movie Avengers, and he's the butt of a lot of jokes. Like, a lot of them. He has a passionate fanbase but a lot of people seem to not like him, which is why he seemed like such a good red herring for the AOU death. If they were gonna kill someone, a lot of people reasoned it'd be the Avenger everyone snickers about.

He's getting more and more popular with every outing as he shows more personality. The character has really not been done justice. The Thor cameo wasn't too bad. But The Avengers, while he had a couple awesome moments (especially the exploding Arrow to Loki), he's just not given much to do. In Age of Ultron, you finally got to see some of that sarcastic and funny Clint. Plus you got to see the heart of gold that he has in the comics.

After AoU, a lot of my friends who disliked Hawkeye (at least in the movies) changed their tune. And a few people I watched it with who weren't comic book movie fans all loved Hawkeye more than other characters.

If the Russo's can do justice (I know screen-time is limited), he'll get even more popular again.

He's died like dozens of times at this point.

In the main universe, hasn't he only died like three times? I can only remember twice off the top of my head. I know he's died in a few others which tackle different subjects, but not really in the main stories.

And that passionate fanbase mostly like the character from the comics. The version we get in the films is kind of lame. I think some people are just hoping at some point the Clint from the film turns into the one from the comics. That's likely where the calls to kill Clint's family comes from.

Of course people want the version from the comics.. but that's more-so because they just want anything that has some substance. He's always shifted to the background, that's why people would go nuts over a Netflix series.

I like the Fraction run, but I personally prefer old-school Clint who is far more sarcastic, cocky, funny, with a heart of gold instead of depressed, sometimes funny, not very cocky, and a little sarcastic in the Fraction run. But I'm willing to give any version a chance. I actually like the Hawkeye we saw in Age of Ultron.. we just haven't seen ENOUGH of him.

 

[Joker8906]

On the subject of Clint, how is he reintroduced into this? Do Steve or Tony go to the farm or is it just..THEY NEED ME!!!

also any more of Laura and the family or are they just referenced?

 

[Imperial]

On the subject of Clint, how is he reintroduced into this? Do Steve or Tony go to the farm or is it just..THEY NEED ME!!!

Daddy Clint rescues Wanda when Vision gets too possessive on their first date.

 

[ManaByte]

Who is Bucky trying to kill after what we're shown in the clip where he takes on Tony, Sharon, Nat & T'Challa?

No one really. Zemo triggers his brain washing and he's escaping captivity. They never say who his target was there.

On the subject of Clint, how is he reintroduced into this? Do Steve or Tony go to the farm or is it just..THEY NEED ME!!!

also any more of Laura and the family or are they just referenced?

He shows up out of nowhere to break Wanda out of the Avenger's facility. You assume Cap called him. He mentions things he had planned to do with the kids that this took him away from.

 

[Wylie Times]

Nah they don't. Him letting Zemo live was a callback to fantastic four #53 where he let klaw live.

I own that comic, he doesn't let Klaw live.

The do a flashback to when Klaw first killed T'Chaka and a young T'Challa tries to kill him but only shatters his hand. Then as an adult T'Challa is still out to Avenge his father and he blows Klaw up in a cave. He believes Klaw to be dead and buried along with machines and acknowledges that he avenged his father.

In the updated version of origin after Klaw kills T'Chaka a young T'Challa nearly kills Klaw with a blaster. T'Challa spends years looking for Klaw with the intent to kill him. Klaw returns at some point and T'Challa makes it's clearly he's going to kill him and runs him through with a spear.

There was also an instance during Christopher Priest's time as Black Panther writer where T'Challa was going to kill Klaw in the middle of the street in New York but was stopped by a bunch of people in the street (for some odd reason).

 

[Ant-Man26]

Kind of makes me wonder though...how will the New Avengers (under Steve's Command) function without the unlimited amount of resources and funds that they were previously getting from Stark?

Last time that I checked, they didn't have any other rich benefactors that were still on their side after the Civil War Debacle.

Hank Pym

 

[Wylie Times]

Hank Pym

If they're in Wakanda and on good terms with T'Challa he'll likely be bankrolling the Avengers. It would make sense considering Feige said The Black Panther film is a direct lead in to Infinity War Part 1.

Wakanda has more resources than Stark and can offer Steve's team political asylum. During the Civil War comic T'Challa offered asylum to any heroes that didn't want to register.

If anything I could see Hank Pym of the MCU being pissed at Scott for being involved. I also don't know if he has the resources to fund an entire Avengers team the way Stark did. In the Ant-Man film we know Pym is well off but they never really go into how much he's worth.

 

[Kingdork]

Regarding Hawkeye, he has never been more badass and useful than he was in Civil War. Of course he's a guy at the bottom of the power pole, but they show the full extent of his abilities and he had lots of moments where he did shine. And for the first time, his fighting style and use of trick arrows made sense. It wasn't those random shooting of arrow off-screen like in the Avengers. Everything he did actionwise had purpose. Lots of strategy and trickery. Never cared much for Hawkeye. Here, I thought he was a total badass.

 

[Ant-Man26]

If they're in Wakanda and on good terms with T'Challa he'll likely be bankrolling the Avengers. It would make sense considering Feige said The Black Panther film is a direct lead in to Infinity War Part 1.

Wakanda has more resources than Stark and can offer Steve's team political asylum. During the Civil War comic T'Challa offered asylum to any heroes that didn't want to register.

If anything I could see Hank Pym of the MCU being pissed at Scott for being involved. I also don't know if he has the resources to fund an entire Avengers team the way Stark did. In the Ant-Man film we know Pym is well off but they never really go into how much he's worth.

****! I completely forgot about the mid credit scene in Wakanda. That makes way more sense.

 

[Wylie Times]

Regarding Hawkeye, he has never been more badass and useful than he was in Civil War. Of course he's a guy at the bottom of the power pole, but they show the full extent of his abilities and he had lots of moments where he did shine. And for the first time, his fighting style and use of trick arrows made sense. It wasn't those random shooting of arrow off-screen like in the Avengers. Everything he did actionwise had purpose. Lots of strategy and trickery. Never cared much for Hawkeye. Here, I thought he was a total badass.

Seems like Whedon struggled to find creative ways to use the more street level Avengers.

It's easy to forget that Whedon's Captain America was pretty underwhelming in terms of his fighting skills. It wasn't until the Russo's laid down a template that we started seeing Cap do cool things in Avengers films.

The Russo's seem to have a knack for the street level Avengers and it sounds like it shows with how they handle Hawkeye, Black Panther, Black Widow, and Winter Soldier.

 

[Kingdork]

Seems like Whedon struggled to find creative ways to use the more street level Avengers.

It's easy to forget that Whedon's Captain America was pretty underwhelming in terms of his fighting skills. It wasn't until the Russo's laid down a template that we started seeing Cap do cool things in Avengers films.

The Russo's seem to have a knack for the street level Avengers and it sounds like it shows with how they handle Hawkeye, Black Panther, Black Widow, and Winter Soldier.

Exactly. The Russo's know how to handle that type of character, as well as the heavy hitters. Seriously, there's a scene at the beginning were Black Widow is engaging two of Crossbones' goons and the choreography is IN-SANE! Relentless, brutal and graceful at the same time. I was in awe. They really upped her game in this one. All the action set pieces are really creative and well put together and well paced. Lots of "oh ****" moments! That Bucky bike trick had the whole theater dumbfounded (and it was a press screening). In these types of movie the action tends to be a little pedestrian, especially in the MCU, but here they really worked hard on the action department and the choregraphy. It sets the bar not just for superhero movies, but for American action cinema as well in my opinion in terms of how the action is constructed. Very exciting, exhilarating stuff.

I can wait to see them tackle Thor!

 

[captainrogers]

Clint tries to fight the Vision one on one to free Wanda.
That earned him more points in my book.
I really do think, that for the amount of time we get with him in Civil War, it's the most enjoyable the character has been cinematically.

 

[Loden Greatstorm]

Clint tries to fight the Vision one on one to free Wanda.
That earned him more points in my book.
I really do think, that for the amount of time we get with him in Civil War, it's the most enjoyable the character has been cinematically.

Does Vision do anything notable in the movie? Does he change costumes by any chance?

 

[DN91]

Does Vision do anything notable in the movie? Does he change costumes by any chance?

He has the same "costume" from Age of Ultron, but we see him wearing people clothes in scenes at the base. The one notable thing he does is accidentally gravely injure Rhodey by hitting him with an energy blast meant to take down Falcon.

 

[captainrogers]

Does Vision do anything notable in the movie? Does he change costumes by any chance?

He tries to fit in by wearing sweaters and slacks.
They definitely display his density altering properties a lot more in this.
(Phasing thru things and becoming super dense)

 

[Wylie Times]

Do Stark and T'Challa have any notable verbal exchanges?

 

[DallasGrrrl]

Daddy Clint rescues Wanda when Vision gets too possessive on their first date.

Haha! This description, though.

I love Daddy Clint. I hope he told her to put on a longer skirt, or maybe pants while she is avenging.

 

[captainrogers]

Do Stark and T'Challa have any notable verbal exchanges?

Honestly I don't recall any notable exchanges between the two.
But I did get a nice feeling whenever anyone respectfully referred to T'Challa as "Your Highness".
It's just great to finally see him realized on screen.
His and Captain America's films were the ones I've always wanted to see.
And now its basically inevitable.
Happy fan.