Civil War The Civil War "ANYTHING GOES" Thread - ENTER AT YOUR OWN RISK - NO SPOILER TAGS REQ.! - Part 2

[Herolee10]

 

[dyl1dyl]

I was actually surprised to hear that Steve and Bucky are there (not even sure if it's been confirmed that the rest of the group takes refuge there) given on how I haven't heard about there being any scene involving Cap and BP making amends. I mean it's one thing if BP realizes that Bucky isn't the guy responsible for killing his father but another thing to harbor him and anyone else from the UN.

Yeah, a little strange. But it looks like Cap and sleeping Bucky are definitely going to be in Wakanda when the standalone Panther film takes place. No hint to whether any of the other Avengers are there at the moment but I suspect theyre all going to be staying low and we won't see the rest until their standalone film (ant man) or infinity war (scarlet witch, falcon and hawkeye)

 

[Herolee10]

Yeah, a little strange. But it looks like Cap and sleeping Bucky are definitely going to be in Wakanda when the standalone Panther film takes place. No hint to whether any of the other Avengers are there at the moment but I suspect theyre all going to be staying low and we won't see the rest until their standalone film (ant man) or infinity war (scarlet witch, falcon and hawkeye)

I was actually surprised to hear that Ant-Man is now back on the run from the law in a film that isn't even about him considering the good place that his own solo film left him in. It's definitely a big step in the opposite direction of the happy mood/place that he was left at.

 

[dyl1dyl]

I was actually surprised to hear that Ant-Man is now back on the run from the law in a film that isn't even about him considering the good place that his own solo film left him in. It's definitely a big step in the opposite direction of the happy mood/place that he was left at.

Yeah. Actually, after this movie, I feel like the ant man and the wasp movie is kinda in a wierd spot date wise. It's in this spot after thor ragnarok, gotg 2 and infinity war part 1, a bit of a strange time to suddenly have this "small scale" film. Unless... the movie is heavily linked to infinity war events and other avengers are going to appear in it. Here's hoping

 

[dyl1dyl]

After this movie, I'd really like to see more of the Vision/Wanda and Steve/Sharon relationship. Unfortunately, I suspect we won't see much of either until Infinity War Part 1. Who knows though

 

[Filmfan93]

I have a question: How did Steve know that Bucky killed Tony's parents? Did Bucky confesses to him during the movie or it is explained in another way?

 

[Drz]

It was revealed by Arnim Zola in the last movie.

 

[dyl1dyl]

It was revealed by Arnim Zola in the last movie.

At first I wanted to say that. But I'm not sure. Didn't Zola just reveal that Hydra killed Tony's parents? But not who specifically from Hyrdra? Haha, I'll have to rewatch Winter Soldier to find out

 

[Drz]

It shows a shot of Howard, then it shows a shot of the car crash and then it shows Winter Soldier and Zola talks about altering history/events.

 

[Filmfan93]

I remember seeing this in WS, but I don't remember Zola specifically mentioning that the Winter Soldier killed Tony's Parents and not Hydra as a whole.

 

[Drz]

Well yeah he doesn't say it out loud but it's blatantly shown.

 

[ScarlettW]

I just don't understand how Tony's father recognized Barnes at that moment. Even Steve says "Bucky?" in WS, but Tony's father with a bloody face in the dark recognized Bucky with a totally different look, it makes no sense.

 

[Drz]

Bucky wasn't wearing the Winter Soldier mask nor did he have make up. That's how Howard recognized him and it is also how Steve recognized him.

 

[MarvelMayhem]

I am glad they saved Peggy's death for CW since it makes it more emotional for Cap, the thought of losing Bucky too. But...I feel like this Sharon kissed might feel a bit out of place because of Peggy's death.

What I am asking --there seems to be no hidden affair with Steve and Sharon right? Like this just sprung out of nowhere. Originally I thought it was implied that they had been secretly seeing one another but after reading about a zillion kiss comments it appears like they in fact have no real relationship they just kiss?

And what exactly is Wakanda's political status? Is it an isolated country completely? If Steve and the rest are hiding out there can they extradite them? Trying to figure out if Wakanda Avengers, if they all go there, will they continue to show up to an international crisis?

 

[uchiha_itachi]

I would assume Wakanda is isolated as they have their own king, rules etc.

 

[MarvelMayhem]

I would assume Wakanda is isolated as they have their own king, rules etc.

Definitely isolated and I am thinking that if they leave Wakanda then can be prosecuted. But besides Tony no one really could stop them unless Ross gets his hands on some serum and makes his own Avengers. Wondering if Hawkeye will have to move his family there or how any of the behind the scenes issues unfold.

 

[Kommander]

I am glad they saved Peggy's death for CW since it makes it more emotional for Cap, the thought of losing Bucky too. But...I feel like this Sharon kissed might feel a bit out of place because of Peggy's death.

What I am asking --there seems to be no hidden affair with Steve and Sharon right? Like this just sprung out of nowhere. Originally I thought it was implied that they had been secretly seeing one another but after reading about a zillion kiss comments it appears like they in fact have no real relationship they just kiss?

And what exactly is Wakanda's political status? Is it an isolated country completely? If Steve and the rest are hiding out there can they extradite them? Trying to figure out if Wakanda Avengers, if they all go there, will they continue to show up to an international crisis?

1. Nope, no secret affair or anything, the kiss comes pretty much out of nowhere with about a scene or two of prior buildup. It's a minor gripe of mine but it doesn't take away at all from the movie in the overall sense.

2. Wakanda is an entirely independent nation, I wouldn't say completely isolated but they do seem to guard their secrets. They do take an interest in African affairs since the Crossbones bombing/explosion incident happened in Nigeria, after which King T'Chaka became one of the foremost leaders of the Sokovia Accords movement. As to whether Steve and Bucky can be extradited from Wakanda, BP did say "Let them try" when asked by Cap what if "they" (US government maybe) try to interfere. So I guess Wakanda is more than equipped to fend off any attempts of aggression by the US or some of its agencies (and I truly believe that since Wakanda is supposed to be the most technologically advanced nation on Earth, more so than the US).

 

[lujho]

I have a question: How did Steve know that Bucky killed Tony's parents? Did Bucky confesses to him during the movie or it is explained in another way?

He knew they were assassinated, but he didn't know that it was by Bucky. When Tony asks "Did you know?", Steve clearly replied "Yes, but I didn't know it was him", or something very close.

 

[Wylie Times]

1. Nope, no secret affair or anything, the kiss comes pretty much out of nowhere with about a scene or two of prior buildup. It's a minor gripe of mine but it doesn't take away at all from the movie in the overall sense.

2. Wakanda is an entirely independent nation, I wouldn't say completely isolated but they do seem to guard their secrets. They do take an interest in African affairs since the Crossbones bombing/explosion incident happened in Nigeria, after which King T'Chaka became one of the foremost leaders of the Sokovia Accords movement. As to whether Steve and Bucky can be extradited from Wakanda, BP did say "Let them try" when asked by Cap what if "they" (US government maybe) try to interfere. So I guess Wakanda is more than equipped to fend off any attempts of aggression by the US or some of its agencies (and I truly believe that since Wakanda is supposed to be the most technologically advanced nation on Earth, more so than the US).

In the comics Wakanda isn't just supposed to be the most technologically advanced nation, they're also supposed to have the worlds strongest military. In the comics there have been times when aliens have invaded earth and Wakanda is usually one of the only Nations that fights them off.

In the comics the U.S. government is typically depicted as terrified of Wakanda because they don't know the full extent of their military might. We get glimpses here and there like the aforementioned fending off of Alien invasions, hints of a Galactus contingency plan, Battle cruisers hidden around the planet just in cast things jump off.

I doubt in the film that Wakanda would be shown as THAT powerful, but I wouldn't be shocked if the nation plays a key role in Infinity War.

 

[Borden]

I saw both after-credit scenes

 

[yllum]

what is the purpose of zemo finding the location of the 5 other winter soldiers?

He could just 1) activate bucky 2) show tony stark the clip where bucky kill his parents. His evil plan would have worked with those 2 steps.

Also I assume wanda, falcon, scott and hawkeye are all at wakanda along with steve and buck at the end of the film?

Although steve has great ability, I doubt he could break into the underwater prison alone.maybe BP assisted?

 

[TalismanRing]

Well yeah he doesn't say it out loud but it's blatantly shown.

No it's shown that it was HYDRA. One would assume they had more than one assassin. That they were reported to die in a car accident also didn't seem his M.O. at the time since he went around trying to shoot everyone and had done so prior with Nat and the man she was unsuccessful at rescuing.

 

[Mjölnir]

what is the purpose of zemo finding the location of the 5 other winter soldiers?

He could just 1) activate bucky 2) show tony stark the clip where bucky kill his parents. His evil plan would have worked with those 2 steps.

Also I assume wanda, falcon, scott and hawkeye are all at wakanda along with steve and buck at the end of the film?

Although steve has great ability, I doubt he could break into the underwater prison alone.maybe BP assisted?

I figured that the footage and evidence of Bucky's missions were located at the Winter Soldier base.

 

[JOE]

I knew they couldn't just leave Spidey after the airport scene. I wonder how much screen time he's going to be allowed in the Infinity War movies with his popularity in Civil War?

 

[Mjölnir]

No it's shown that it was HYDRA. One would assume they had more than one assassin. That they were reported to die in a car accident also didn't seem his M.O. at the time since he went around trying to shoot everyone and had done so prior with Nat and the man she was unsuccessful at rescuing.

It depends on how you look at it. When WS assassinated the man Widow was protecting he first caused a car accident, and then shot the man when they survived the crash (which seemed pretty severe as they went off a cliff).

But I agree that there wasn't enough to really say that Bucky did it after WS, that would just be a guess.