Civil War The Civil War "ANYTHING GOES" Thread - ENTER AT YOUR OWN RISK - NO SPOILER TAGS REQ.! - Part 2

[Johnny-Oh]

Someone on another forum I post on said it was all pointless in the end because "everyone seemed fine with everyone again" also no one died. That the conflict should've have continued instead of it being resolved.

I'm not gonna say that he movie is too deep for some to get but how do you come to that conclusion at the end of the film. Half the Avengers are on the run and fugitives, the relationship between Cap and Tony has been hurt badly and the accords from everything I've seen is still a thing. Scarlet Witch accidentally causing civilians to die is what kickstarted countries wanting the Accords.

Yeah I don't know why some people keep saying that, the consequences of this movie are major. And in this phase it will make sense why the other characters don't show up in eachother's movies.

Btw why are most people assuming Cap and the others are staying in Wakanda? From what I understand it was only Bucky and the rest are going their own way.

 

[JMLZ]

I think seeing the Abomination in there or Crossbones would have been really good for the story. Since it would have showed how badly the government was treating the heroes, that they would lock them up alongside these super bad criminals

I'm digressing a bit but I'm confident that Crossbones won't be getting incarcerated anytime soon.

 

[Iceman]

Yeah, they're pretty much saving that for his solo film. The closest we got to a hint of how he gets his powers was him mentioning Bast and Sekhmet.

I wasn't sure how I felt about T'Chaka at first because the guy in this film has a wise grandfatherly vibe to him and in the comic T'Chaka is usually depicted like a take no nonsense defend Wakanda at all cost warrior king. I had to remind myself that this version of T'Chaka is older than any we've ever seen before so it makes sense for him to be a bit more mellow and less standoffish.

They did a great job of showing how much love and respect T'Challa had for his father in the very brief moment we got between the two.

Yep, good work in that little time they had together,

Another stand out for the film was Falcon. I was not expecting him to be that formidable in this film.

He was much improved.

 

[Overman27pj]

Just saw it for the 3rd time today and I agree with the other guy that it was all pointless because they indeed all get back to normal. The letter to Tony at the end pretty much gave it all a clean slate. Hell, Tony even looked at the phone after reading the letter before cutting away from that scene.

I wouldn't say a fresh clean slate, the dynamics have changed for sure. The trust level decreased, the friendships waned. Many are literally fugitives.

 

[marshal99]

Just saw it for the 3rd time today and I agree with the other guy that it was all pointless because they indeed all get back to normal. The letter to Tony at the end pretty much gave it all a clean slate. Hell, Tony even looked at the phone after reading the letter before cutting away from that scene.

He looked at the phone because ross was calling about the raft breakout.

In that final fight , all cap was doing was trying to prevent iron man from killing his buddy buckie. He had no real animosity towards stark. That letter was a olive branch.
Doesn't mean that it's going to be a clean slate if and when they do meet again. Stark isn't going to hug steve and talk shop. There's still simmering tension between them and it's going to take some time to heal.
Cap & his teamcap are still fugitives , as long as the solkovia accord is active,

 

[Shadow Moses]

He looked at the phone because ross was calling about the raft breakout.

that was a different phone

 

[Enriquespy]

I'm glad the film ended on a somewhat uplifting tone, that is a good thing to have in superhero films, even if it means that "not much was at stake" Which seem far off.
The drama is good, But I still go to this films to have a good time and see heroes winning. I don't fully understand why some people are like "Someone should've died, the film is pointless".

 

[marshal99]

that was a different phone

Either way , he's not calling. It is hardly a clean slate , Stark relationship with half of the team has been damaged badly , god knows what thor & hulk will feel when they come back to earth and find their team dismantled and they have to register.

 

[Solaire]

Just saw it for the 3rd time today and I agree with the other guy that it was all pointless because they indeed all get back to normal. The letter to Tony at the end pretty much gave it all a clean slate. Hell, Tony even looked at the phone after reading the letter before cutting away from that scene.

So Black Widow isn't on the run? Ant Man, Witch, Hawkeye aren't fugitives atm? Cap isn't in hiding in Wakanda with a frozen Bucky? Lol not sure how that's back to normal.

I saw the film weeks ago via advance screening and I left with the thought Zemo won in the end and the relationship between them all won't be the same until the galaxy is at risk.

 

[samsnee]

No, but seemed like the scene would have been ripe for a reshoot with a different actress.

And add unnecessarily to the budget?

 

[Filmfan93]

Saw it for a 3rd time today. Grows on me with each viewing. Still 9/10. Have my tickets booked for a 4th viewing on Saturday!

This film is so layered and well-made that it holds very well with repeat viewings.

 

[Overman27pj]

I'm going to eat a lot of popcorn this month.

 

[Chesterfield]

Just saw it for the 3rd time today and I agree with the other guy that it was all pointless because they indeed all get back to normal. The letter to Tony at the end pretty much gave it all a clean slate. Hell, Tony even looked at the phone after reading the letter before cutting away from that scene.

How have you managed to miss so much after seeing this 3 times?

 

[thorstone]

Yeah I don't know why some people keep saying that, the consequences of this movie are major. And in this phase it will make sense why the other characters don't show up in eachother's movies.

Btw why are most people assuming Cap and the others are staying in Wakanda? From what I understand it was only Bucky and the rest are going their own way.

Because there was no advancement of the plot here. It was just a filler film to promote two new stand-alone films (and a sequel to Ant-man).

 

[warriorking]

Quote"Either way , he's not calling. It is hardly a clean slate , Stark relationship with half of the team has been damaged badly , god knows what thor & hulk will feel when they come back to earth and find their team dismantled and they have to register.




I still want to see who is going to make Thor sign on the dotted line...

 

[kingskipper28]

Yup, they also had to strategically damage parts of his armor just to stand a chance. Even at the end of the fight Steve only gets the upper hand because Bucky distracts Tony.

They damaged repulsors on Tony's arm and leg, the armor was also damaged when part fo the building fell on it, Steve even directed one of Tony's repulsor blasts back at him with his shield.

So what exactly is your point? Everything you wrote just explains why Steve is a better overall fighter and strategist. Tony still lost even though he was going all out.

 

[Avid Avenger]

So what exactly is your point? Everything you wrote just explains why Steve is a better overall fighter and strategist. Tony still lost even though he was going all out.

Point is, because people are arguing how ridiculous it is, that Steve and Bucky CAN beat IM. Especially when it provides logical reasons why and shows how.
There are some who've even said that fighting experiance and skill and intellect have no bearing in a fight, which is flat out wrong.

 

[DN91]

I know I've seen the movie, but anyone have the full transcript of Cap's speech/letter to Tony from the end?

 

[yllum]

Does anyone remember what are the all key words to activate bucky into ws mode?

 

[BatsDC]

I'm digressing a bit but I'm confident that Crossbones won't be getting incarcerated anytime soon.

They should make it a running gag that Rumlow is blown up and comes back in each movie, only to be killed in bigger explosions each time

 

[Enriquespy]

That would be nice to see.

Specially if there is less of him intact each time.

 

[Olan]

Do they address why Fury or Hill do not try to intervene?

 

[Wylie Times]

Yeah I don't know why some people keep saying that, the consequences of this movie are major. And in this phase it will make sense why the other characters don't show up in eachother's movies.

Btw why are most people assuming Cap and the others are staying in Wakanda? From what I understand it was only Bucky and the rest are going their own way.

Yeah, people are just assuming the entire team is going to be there, but Bucky is the only one that's being confirmed as staying there in a cryo chamber.

You have to overlook that T'Challa said he was in favor of the accords just not the politics that come along with them. You also gotta keep in mind that Wanda is part of that group and she still hasn't been held accountable for the Wakandans she accidentally killed or the trouble she caused in Age of Ultron.

I'm sure T'Challa will help them out as necessary but I doubt he's gonna be putting them up in Wakanda for 2 plus years while they're doing their unsanctioned Avengers activities.

 

[noakai]

Yeah I don't know why some people keep saying that, the consequences of this movie are major. And in this phase it will make sense why the other characters don't show up in eachother's movies.

Btw why are most people assuming Cap and the others are staying in Wakanda? From what I understand it was only Bucky and the rest are going their own way.

Some people just think the only way to add weight or stakes to a movie is if someone dies. We already saw in Age of Ultron that just because someone dies, it doesn't mean it will have a huge impact. And there is no "clean slate": there literally is no Avengers anymore. You have 3 people who can legally do any kind of Avenging, and one of them is paralyzed. It's totally possible the team will just be disbanded since 2 people, even if they are Iron Man and Vision, isn't much of a team. The rest of them are fugitives and subject to arrest in literally any country they go to that signed the Accords. Bucky's back in cryo, Steve lost the shield, and despite the gesture, Steve and Tony aren't on great terms. Not actively helping Ross catch them =/= they're gonna be all nice and friendly with each other. The next movie isn't going to start up with them being all being BFFs and teaming up, they're gonna have to fix a lot of crap, including getting rid of the Accords.

I assume at least Steve and Bucky are staying in Wakanda because that's where Bucky is going to get help. And also for everyone, I guess people assume they're all gonna stay there because they might be safer since T'Challa isn't actively going to turn them over for arrest and I doubt anyone's gonna go sniffing around Wakanda to find them. Nobody wants to go up against that country.

 

[Tymminator]

Yeah I don't know why some people keep saying that, the consequences of this movie are major. And in this phase it will make sense why the other characters don't show up in eachother's movies.

Btw why are most people assuming Cap and the others are staying in Wakanda? From what I understand it was only Bucky and the rest are going their own way.