Civil War The Civil War "ANYTHING GOES" Thread - ENTER AT YOUR OWN RISK - NO SPOILER TAGS REQ.! - Part 2

[Muze]

why are we comparing Zemo to Loki and Ultron; instead of Alexander Pierce? this is a captain America movie. zemo's a captain America villain. and he dealt a serious blow to Captain America. Steve gave up his shield. Stark will never forget that they withheld the truth about is parents' death. Bucky's back on ice. he did all that w/o a cosmically-powered scepter or an adamantium exoskeleton.

 

[Symbiotic]

I haven't seen the film yet, but I'm not sure I like the sound of "War!.. Wait, truce!...Ok, back to war!" Does the temporary ceasefire come across as redundant?

 

[smsvmos]

I haven't seen the film yet, but I'm not sure I like the sound of "War!.. Wait, truce!...Ok, back to war!" Does the temporary ceasefire come across as redundant?

There is no War. It's more like a sparing session

 

[Tymminator]

I can't wait for this movie, it sounds like it's going to be great.

 

[JtheDreamer]

I agree, after the movie I said to myself that I wish Marvel didn't release they're line up of movies because there were scenes in this movie where I though characters were gonna die but then realised "oh wait, they can't die, they're making a move of them in the next few years"

That's the one drawback to this MCU. You sacrifice the element of surprise in some ways.

 

[Tymminator]

That's the one drawback to this MCU. You sacrifice the element of surprise in some ways.

I can see that, but like in comics, I can enjoy the ride on how we get there.

Like even looking at BvS...no matter how it ends, everyone knows a Justice League is around the corner, so anything major seemingly done that would interfere with that you know will be 100% remedied, but that's a small price to pay if you are excited for a huge Justice League film.

 

[uchiha_itachi]

I'm not so sure they hide out there , cap just have bucky stashed there. Think Cap & his secret avengers will still help people out as vigilantes.

holy...of course. Infinity War is going to have secret avengers aint it? and Tony will have the actual Avengers. both teams then come together in the first part of the film. mind blown.

 

[Herolee10]

For the lucky folks that have seen the film already, what would you guys rate the scene featuring Tony's reaction towards not only seeing the security footage of his parents death but how he reacts after that? Does RDJ deliver when it coms to the emotional potential for that moment?

 

[TheVileOne]

I think on an emotional level this is Robert Downey's best performance as Iron Man ever.

 

[TheVileOne]

This is really just as much of an Iron Man movie as it is a Cap movie. It's a simple fact.

 

[Probotector]

I thought Downey Jr was brilliant throughout. One really interest point is how the trailers are edited to make him seem quite aggressive (i.e. 'Cap you seem a little defensive', 'Sometimes i want to punch you in your perfect teeth') but in context the lines are not perceived in the same way. His performance is actually very nuanced. He remains extremely sure of himself, but comes across as genuinely pained and frustrated at not being able to bring Cap around to a view he is convinced is right. It's a sympathetic performance a world away from the Civil War comics.

The film was smart to give Tony a drastic emotional push to bring him into an actual conflict with Cap and Bucky (as opposed to the more tame airport fight). It was never plausible that the two would fight so bitterly for ideological reasons.

 

[Saitou Hajime]

For the lucky folks that have seen the film already, what would you guys rate the scene featuring Tony's reaction towards not only seeing the security footage of his parents death but how he reacts after that? Does RDJ deliver when it coms to the emotional potential for that moment?

He was phenomenal. Devin nailed it when he said it was like seeing vintage RDJ. The transition from utter devastation to rage incarnate was incredible. "I don't care. He killed my mom"... chills.

 

[Jaxon]

For the lucky folks that have seen the film already, what would you guys rate the scene featuring Tony's reaction towards not only seeing the security footage of his parents death but how he reacts after that? Does RDJ deliver when it coms to the emotional potential for that moment?

RDJ is the only reason you get into the last fight because it comes out of no where with the flimiest of tie ins into the previous 2 hrs.

 

[TheVileOne]

Downey's performance here IMHO makes up for a lot of my problems I had with Iron Man 3 and Age of Ultron.

 

[Bren]

RDJ is the only reason you get into the last fight because it comes out of no where with the flimiest of tie ins into the previous 2 hrs.

Comes out of nowhere...... Are you serious?

 

[Jaxon]

Comes out of nowhere...... Are you serious?

The whole conflict is about govt control verse free will. The it changes course to be about Cap knowing that Bucky killed his parents under a mind control that Tony had already acknowledged. That was stupid story telling.

 

[JMLZ]

It didn't come out of nowhere. The plot of the film was Zemo finding ways to pit the Avengers members against each other. The Sakovia accords are a subplot.

 

[TheVileOne]

Ultimately, the plot was by Zemo manipulating events to try and tear the Avengers apart. That was his plan. To turn them against each other.

 

[Herolee10]

Ultimately, the plot was by Zemo manipulating events to try and tear the Avengers apart. That was his plan. To turn them against each other.

So basically, the Russos showed that one regular man is capable of doing something that an killer robot with infinite resources and two meta human siblings can't (aka AOU).lol

 

[Repulsor Blast]

Do you guys think it was a mistake for winter soldier to reveal that WS killed Tony's parents?

I knew it would be addressed in civil war as soon as RDJ was announced and hoped that it wouldn't be something that made Tony fight WS/Cap.

It was handled well as it could in the film but I still come back to the fact that Tony knew WS had no control/was brainwashed when he killed his parents.

 

[Slade W]

I really liked the film, but there were scenes where I found it hard to take Stark seriously when he was trying to act serious. Perhaps I will think differently after a second viewing.

 

[Nathan]

It was handled well as it could in the film but I still come back to the fact that Tony knew WS had no control/was brainwashed when he killed his parents.

While I don't want to defend it, I think it's tough to think straight, when you watch footage of your father beaten to death, and your mother slowly getting the life choked out of her. And while it's true that Bucky was brainwashed all the time, Tony probably sees Bucky as a weapon, that can go on a killing spree, every time someone says the right words. So to avenge his parents, and keep other potential victims safe, Bucky needs to go.

 

[Bren]

It was handled well as it could in the film but I still come back to the fact that Tony knew WS had no control/was brainwashed when he killed his parents.

Bucky said it to Steve, "I still did it."
Or words to that effect.

 

[baerrtt]

While I don't want to defend it, I think it's tough to think straight, when you watch footage of your father beaten to death, and your mother slowly getting the life choked out of her. And while it's true that Bucky was brainwashed all the time, Tony probably sees Bucky as a weapon, that can go on a killing spree, every time someone says the right words. So to avenge his parents, and keep other potential victims safe, Bucky needs to go.

Thing is when you apply realism to it a great many people in the same situation as Stark emotionally would react the exact same way even knowing it's not Bucky's fault.

I've got to say the scene where Stark watches his parents being murdered on the monitor may be the most purely heartbreaking and upsetting I've seen in any superhero movie since Jonathan Kent's death in SUPERMAN '78 and that's largely down to RDJ.

 

[Avid Avenger]

Thing is when you apply realism to it a great many people in the same situation as Stark emotionally would react the exact same way even knowing it's not Bucky's fault.

I've got to say the scene where Stark watches his parents being murdered on the monitor may be the most purely heartbreaking and upsetting I've seen in any superhero movie since Jonathan Kent's death in SUPERMAN '78 and that's largely down to RDJ.

Exactly. The man who killed your parents is standing right beside you as you watch it happen brutally on a screen. Brainwashed to do it or not, in that moment, that f***er is going to die. It's what I'd do.

And Jaxon it didn't come out of nowhere, just stop it. You come to these boards spouting the same s**t over and over again and when people point out to you why you are wrong (as in non existant plot holes) or whats actually present in the movie, you don't even acknowledge them.