The Clinton Thread II

[samsnee]

Probably not but I think the belief is that this more evidence that there are a different set of rules for those in power and specifically the Clintons.

To be fair, I work for a publicly traded company. You can be sure if I emailed non-public financial information to someone outside the company, I'd likely be fired. However in my situation, I knowingly did it. It sounds like with the FBI case, they can't legally prove there was malicious intent.

 

[Kelly]

Well technically of all the things listed I think Bush Sr raising taxes is not in the same category. Nixon getting pardon after being impeached isn't to terrible either(he basically got to live the rest of his life as a big disgrace so that was punishment enough).

I should probably add I thought that the Iran Contra thing was overblown, I understand why it was considered wrong but if Reagan wanted to arm Iran more power to him finding a way to do it

In terms of Clinton email, what I don't get is do people honestly believe her emails would have been anymore safe on a government server? I would love for one person to tell me exactly how her using her own email server effected them personally, because I know it has 0 effect on my life

I think the main problem and difference between the personal and government servers is the archiving process.

 

[Schlosser85]

This is a place for intelligent adult discussion, not spamming with crackpot conspiracy theories. If that is the kind of thread you want, take it up somewhere else.I will delete this nonsense on sight and infract for spamming. This is not the conspiracy theory thread.

 

[Thundercrack85]

They say the KGB - or whatever it's calling itself now - has the world's most secure database. File cabinet and key.

 

[craigdbfan]

Well technically of all the things listed I think Bush Sr raising taxes is not in the same category. Nixon getting pardon after being impeached isn't to terrible either(he basically got to live the rest of his life as a big disgrace so that was punishment enough).

I should probably add I thought that the Iran Contra thing was overblown, I understand why it was considered wrong but if Reagan wanted to arm Iran more power to him finding a way to do it

In terms of Clinton email, what I don't get is do people honestly believe her emails would have been anymore safe on a government server? I would love for one person to tell me exactly how her using her own email server effected them personally, because I know it has 0 effect on my life

So the fact that national security has been placed in peril by her reckless and possibly crooked actions doesn't affect you?

Are you sure about that? This isn't a "conspiracy" but confirmation from highly regarded experts written in an article in the New York Times.

Seems pretty clear to me but I'm sure someone here would love to spin it some other way despite the overwhelming evidence of negligent/criminal behavior taking place.

 

[SV Fan]

So the fact that national security has been placed in peril by her reckless and possibly crooked actions doesn't affect you?

I love how you throw in possibly crooked, once you throw in the word possibly, you can say anything after it and if people call you out it's like well i said it's possible(didn't say it's 100% fact). It would be like me saying you are possibly a reptoid alien from the 5th dimension, it's possible you know. This right up their with Fox news reporting that "some people are saying"(ie it's not us who is saying this for legal purposes, only that "some" people are). lol

But yeah I stand by my statement that Hillary using her own email server has had 0 effect on my life, but I would love to hear personal stories of how Hillary using a personal email server effected other people's lives negatively. I am guessing their might be a few people who can tell a personal story how this effected there life negatively, but that number would total less then 0.0001%(and even this number is probably to high since i am forgetting 1 more 0) of the country

 

[Matt]

I was thinking...Clinton ought to announce the running mate. I know she is waiting to see what Trump does, since his convention is first, but announcing the running mate would completely bury this email story.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

It could be the case.

Now on to the real meat and mark my words that some super geniuses out there will be able to leak those "deleted' e-mails the FBI wasn't "able" to get back.

Hillary Clinton’s Email Was Probably Hacked, Experts Say

Some of this stuff was labeled literally TOP SECRET. That's the highest form of security labeling and nothing happens to her? Please. I don't care what bs modern legal law says but I sure as hell know what moral and Socratic ethics law says and that is to throw this woman in jail.

I'm honestly surprised that someone with the types of ideas you spout off isn't aware that top secret is not the highest level of security labeling.

 

[Kelly]

I'm honestly surprised that someone with the types of ideas you spout off isn't aware that top secret is not the highest level of security labeling.

Unless there is one we don't know about, and "maybe" there is....Top Secret is the highest classification...then again, if we knew about it, it would make it pretty stupid to have an "unknown" classification that everyone knows exists....????

They go as follows: From highest to lowest FIRST 3 main categories
Top Secret, Secret or Confidential, and then add in those that are not categorized as any of these 3 and you have the following classifications in their entirety.

Top Secret
Secret
Confidential
Public Trust
Unclassified


Source: http://www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/corres/pdf/520001_vol2.pdf

 

[Kelly]

They say the KGB - or whatever it's calling itself now - has the world's most secure database. File cabinet and key.

With 20 really ugly Russians guarding it. "Men and Women" they are equal opportunity over there.

 

[Matt]

This conversation amuses me. Not quite sure why, the logic is actually quite sound. The digital era may offer quite a bit of convenience, but the security risks are apparent. There is something to be said about old fashioned hard copies.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

Unless there is one we don't know about, and "maybe" there is....Top Secret is the highest classification...then again, if we knew about it, it would make it pretty stupid to have an "unknown" classification that everyone knows exists....????

They go as follows: From highest to lowest FIRST 3 main categories
Top Secret, Secret or Confidential, and then add in those that are not categorized as any of these 3 and you have the following classifications in their entirety.

Top Secret
Secret
Confidential
Public Trust
Unclassified


Source: http://www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/corres/pdf/520001_vol2.pdf

There is a classification above top secret. It's used for active military operations.

EDIT: There is probably also one for all the secret aliens and lizard people too but only a select few are familiar with that level of clearance.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

This conversation amuses me. Not quite sure why, the logic is actually quite sound. The digital era may offer quite a bit of convenience, but the security risks are apparent. There is something to be said about old fashioned hard copies.

Bruh, I just read about an exploit that can essentially have an old school desktop that isn't even connected to the internet give up its data via the cooling fan. These hackers today are insanely smart. Hard copy is the only safe way to store things now and even that can be compromised if you pull some Oceans 11 stuff.

 

[Matt]

Bruh, I just read about an exploit that can essentially have an old school desktop that isn't even connected to the internet give up its data via the cooling fan. These hackers today are insanely smart. Hard copy is the only safe way to store things now and even that can be compromised if you pull some Oceans 11 stuff.

HAha I suppose so.

At any rate, Tim Kaine is picking up a lot of traction. I'd say its safe to say at this point there is an 80 % chance he is the running mate.

Its an uninspiring pick. I think it plays into Trump's narrative quite a bit (Kaine is an insider's insider, who has a few skeletons of his own).

Plus:

Has there ever been a more **** eating grin in the history of American politics?

 

[childeroland]

 

[DeadPresident]

Dude looks like a knock-off Satan.

 

[Matt]

Well played.

 

[Unbreakable Lex]

What is the difference in what Petraeus did in having his girlfriend and publisher have access to his email and Hillary having her attorney's, who also were not authorized to view the data, view and delete emails?

EDIT: There is probably also one for all the secret aliens and lizard people too but only a select few are familiar with that level of clearance.

That's only in the President's Book of Secrets.

 

[Matt]

What is the difference in what Petraeus did in having his girlfriend and publisher have access to his email and Hillary having her attorney's, who also were not authorized to view the data, view and delete emails?

If you really need to ask the difference between the Director of the CIA giving his girlfriend and publisher access to classified information vs Clinton giving her attorneys access in anticipation of possible criminal litigation, then you have no business discussing the topic at all and are merely looking for something to complain about.

 

[Unbreakable Lex]

I think the main problem and difference between the personal and government servers is the archiving process.

There are many more differences than that.

This story helps outline some of those differences.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/7006...ey-security-features-disabled-clintons-server

There was likely more security limiting mobile email technology for the Secretary of State as there was for the President. The President got his secure Blackberry from the NSA. Hillary's Blackberry was receiving emails from her private accounts.

http://www.ibtimes.com/president-barack-obama-not-allowed-use-iphone-relies-blackberry-2016-2347945

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

That's only in the President's Book of Secrets.

We need Nic Cage to save us all.

 

[Unbreakable Lex]

If you really need to ask the difference between the Director of the CIA giving his girlfriend and publisher access to classified information vs Clinton giving her attorneys access in anticipation of possible criminal litigation, then you have no business discussing the topic at all and are merely looking for something to complain about.

Those lawyers had no clearance. There is no protective order issued.

They deleted over 30000 emails. That is a violation of the law.

Another fallout over this is that Clinton's staff won't likely get any other security clearances.

 

[elgaz]

With 20 really ugly Russians guarding it. "Men and Women" they are equal opportunity over there.

Like the old story of American spending millions developing a pen that would work in the zero gravity of space, whilst Russia opted to use a pencil. Sometimes the common sense approach is best.

 

[Matt]

Those lawyers had no clearance. There is no protective order issued.

They deleted over 30000 emails. That is a violation of the law.

Another fallout over this is that Clinton's staff won't likely get any other security clearances.

Phew, thank God I have Lex to tell me how to do my job again. I was really at a loss for awhile.

At any rate, I'm not getting into this with you again. You're wrong. About a lot. You should really just shut up and stop talking so matter-of-factly about things you don't understand. You are making a fool of yourself.

 

[Unbreakable Lex]

Phew, thank God I have Lex to tell me how to do my job again. I was really at a loss for awhile.

At any rate, I'm not getting into this with you again. You're wrong. About a lot. You should really just shut up and stop talking so matter-of-factly about things you don't understand. You are making a fool of yourself.

Lawyers that only bill $400 an hour rely a lot on precedent and what you can drum up on Westlaw. Why not use "case of first impression" here? Seems appropriate given the age of email usage and it's legality.