The Daily Planet Vol. 2: Superman News and Speculation Thread (🚨TAG SPOILERS🚨)

[dhandler01]

The rule of thumb used to be that you needed at least near 100 reviews before you even worry about the score. For big movies like this that get 300+ reviews RT usually doesn't post fresh ratings until wel into the 100s because it is so volatile. Once they do though it almost never changes. Once you get over 200 reviews it takes a lot of bad reviews to tank a high score.

So what you saw @Herolee10 was not a couple reviews dropping the score...you saw RT refreshing and glitching like it always does. Part of that is how many people use it, what reviews are posted and when and corrections and changes. I remember back when I followed it you could hit refresh a dozen times and get a dozen scores that go up and down. The site is not great...and I'm guessing they round up and down as well.

If you want to follow it though just stick to the math. There is 210 reviews as we speak. Let's say it tops off at 300. That means it needs to be at 240 to stay at 80%. It currently has around 174 fresh ratings. That means it needs to be fresh in just over 2/3rds of the next 90 reviews. [I suck at math so if I screwed up the numbers mea culpa] Statistically I wouldn't worry too much especially since a lot of the newspapers and top critics already chimed in.

TL;DR: everything is going to be ok even if it finishes in the 70s

 

[Herolee10]

I understand the fear/doubt. I think it's just really hard having to wait to watch while others have had the ability to see it. I feel like my mood has gone down significantly and I have no idea what to make of anything. Trying to just stay hyped, but this purgatory is messing with my head.

Still so damn angry there were no fan screenings in the UK (I'm a prime member, so extra sting). 3 days is a long time to be in my head about it, and dodging spoilers etc when Ive been this invested and am used to being involved in the conversation!

In the end, I guess it's really about keeping your expectations in check. My original wish was that this film wouldn't get stuck with a rotten score. But when the first wave of reactions came back very positive and the RT score debuted at 91%, I faltered significantly.

Now I find myself wanting this film to become a mega hit both critically and financially. I don't know about others, but I've always looked at RT scores in the same veil as school grades. 90%=A, 80%=B, 70%=C, 60%=D, and 50%/Below=F.

 

[MAN O STEEL]

Just got back from seeing it. I'm honestly not sure how I felt. For the first time seeing a Superman film, I walked out confused and kinda empty. My daughter loved it and kept asking me which scene I liked most and for the love of god, despite having just got done with it, I couldn't remember a single scene. Every scene felt like I was watching a different movie from the last. I've been defending the hell out of this film since day 1, but I can't defend that. I need to see it a second time, I'm going again Monday so I'll see if a second viewing will help me decide what to feel about it. I've never said that about a Superman film before.

 

[dhandler01]

I don’t think you guys have any reason to seriously worry lol. It’s obvious that critics are overall pretty into it.

In this case its just one person the rest of us seem pretty cool

 

[DKDetective]

And all that matters to launching a new franchise is that the movie is A.) financially successful, and B.) well-received. Which as we've demonstrated, it clearly is the latter. Sorry to say the former is more important in that goal. But being well-received certainly helps it to get there.

We have 10 Fast and the Furious movies and the first one with a fresh RT score is Fast Five. Critical reception is definitely a much smaller factor in whether these sort of movies get sequels.

 

[dhandler01]

And all that matters to launching a new franchise is that the movie is A.) financially successful, and B.) well-received. Which as we've demonstrated, it clearly is the latter. Sorry to say the former is more important in that goal. But being well-received certainly helps it to get there.

Depends on the goal financially but yes it does matter more. Being well received does lower the bar a bit though because sequels make big bucks!

 

[DKDetective]

In the end, I guess it's really about keeping your expectations in check. My original wish was that this film wouldn't get stuck with a rotten score. But when the first wave of reactions came back very positive and the RT score debuted at 91%, I faltered significantly.

Now I find myself wanting this film to become a mega hit both critically and financially. I don't know about others, but I've always looked at RT scores in the same veil as school grades. 90%=A, 80%=B, 70%=C, 60%=D, and 50%/Below=F.

Dude, to put things in perspective, not even us super spoiled Batfans freaked when The Batman dropped from 96% to 85% or when it didn't make a billion.

We knew from the Batman & Robin situation, it takes time to rebuild trust after a bomb of a previous adaptation. Batman Begins only became profitable on home video, but it had cleansed the audience palette and set the stage for TDK to be a monster.

 

[Herolee10]

Theoretically, it could end up in the 70s, but it is very unlikely.

You can't compare this movie's score to the previous Deadpool films. The market and the audience have changed. Superhero movies are just going to score less these days due to fatigue and critics holding them to a higher standard now.

RT scores have limited bearing on whether or not a movie launches a franchise. There are plenty of franchise launchers with mediocre scores. Audience reception and box office is the the real determining factor there. Transformers was rotten, but they pumped out six sequels because they continued to make bank. Jurassic World only landed in the low 70s on RT but there have been three sequels because they keep making money.

Just stop worrying about things beyond your control. This movie is a critical success, just take the win.

Good points for sure. Though I'm hoping that any franchise spawned from this Superman will result in better quality films when compared to Transformers or Jurrasic Park.

 

[Herolee10]

Dude, to put things in perspective, not even us super spoiled Batfans freaked when The Batman dropped from 96% to 85% or when it didn't make a billion.

We knew from the Batman & Robin situation, it takes time to rebuild trust after a bomb of a previous adaptation. Batman Begins only became profitable on home video, but it had cleansed the audience palette and set the stage for TDK to be a monster.

 

[Gu3ree]

Just got back from seeing it. I'm honestly not sure how I felt. For the first time seeing a Superman film, I walked out confused and kinda empty. My daughter loved it and kept asking me which scene I liked most and for the love of god, despite having just got done with it, I couldn't remember a single scene. Every scene felt like I was watching a different movie from the last. I've been defending the hell out of this film since day 1, but I can't defend that. I need to see it a second time, I'm going again Monday so I'll see if a second viewing will help me decide what to feel about it. I've never said that about a Superman film before.

I felt similar when I initially watched The Dark Knight, Man of Steel, Avengers: Age of Ultron, Batman v Superman for the first time. I felt empty and unfulfilled. I had hoped I would have liked it better after a second viewing, but in most cases, it didn't get much better per viewing. Ultimately that "empty" and "uncertainty" feeling about a movie you just watched--more often than not--means you were disappointed by it.

Among those above mentioned films, I only came to like Age of Ultron more after the second viewing. The problems that stood out and ruined the movie for me was the prologue--me, being confused when watching the first time, I wasn't sure whether Tony Stark had turned evil or not, and if he was hypnotized the whole time (by Wanda), and if he was just playing everyone for the first half of the movie (like Hawkeye was (kind of) in the first film?) That plot dragged me for a little bit. The story being messy aside, the thing that ultimately killed the movie for me was Quicksilver's death. It was uncalled for, flat-out unnecessary and forced. It ruined the film for me. If I'm being honest though, I also felt similarly about Agent Coulson's death in the first film. It just didn't work for me.

But as I mentioned, I did like AOU a little better after my second viewing. The other films...not so much.

It took me two months to come to my own realization that I didn't like Batman v Superman at all, and it was ultimately huge disappointment. I denied that feeling for a long time because that was just it--the disapointment.

Compare some of the Avengers films to the Russo Brothers' MCU movies. Captain America: The Winter Soldier- LOVED IT first viewing, I watched it twice. Civil War-SAME. I wasn't disappointed. Same with Infinity War and Endgame. Saw Endgame 3 times in cinemas.

Also, The Dark Knight Rises. Loved it after my very first viewing. I was so satisfied just as I was with all the Russo Brother Cap and Avengers movies. Joss Whedon on the other hand...eh. A hit and miss.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

Saw it yesterday and loved it. I'm loving it more, the longer I'm away from it. I can't wait to see it again.

 

[Superark]

I still plan on watching it. However, it's just depressing to see history nearly repeat itself with the recent drop in the RT score (91% to a measly 83%), along with the various complaints that I've heard about the film. We haven't gotten a well received and profitable Superman film since the early 80's.

Plus, I was hoping that we would finally have something to actually brag about when it came to Superman on film.

You're letting an aggregate score, which is still good, get you down. Rotten Tomatoes does not take positive or negative scales into account with their fresh/rotten ratings.

The majority of people liked it, and even the majority of the majority loved it.

Go in with your own expectations. Also, remember that the movie doesn't need to be perfect or or near perfect. If it's entertaining to the GA, the results will speak for themselves.

 

[GreenKToo]

Oh boy, am I ever excited!
I thought I wouldn't get to see it until Monday but I happened to check my local theater and it starts playing today @ 2 p.m, so my wife and snagged two tickets for today.

 

[Gothamsknight]

Finally seeing this later today in Dolby. Very excited!

 

[Superark]

Seeing it tonight after work. Cannot wait! I don't know how I'm going to focus on the office today haha

 

[GreenKToo]

I think the wife and I are gonna go to the local Walmart beforehand and get a couple \S/ t-shirts.

 

[Nemeres]

I'm a teacher at a K-12 school and a regular thorn in my side is overachieving parents who'll fight you tooth and nail for every decimal in their kid's grade, They don't want a 9.2, they want a 9.9 goddamnit, and if the grade slips to below 9, boy is the outrage biblical. This emotional attachment to a score, I understand it, but it does provide unpleasant flashbacks, lol. Just learn to cope with the fact your kid ain't perfect but he's still pretty smart, trying hard and has a winning personality.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Does that mean that Superman could still end up with a RT score in the 70's? If so, I guess that wouldn't be the worst.

In regard to your prior example with Deadpool and Wolverine, I feel like that's somewhat of a different situation. Deadpool already had two films that both had RT scores in the 80's and made a lot money at the box office. He wasn't launching a new franchise and could afford a lower RT score.

You're way over thinking this

 

[Boom]

If you inspect elements on RT, the average critics score currently sits at 7.3/10. Perfectly respectable, and within the usual score range for a Gunn movie.

Literally nothing to be disappointed about.

 

[Primal Slayer]

"How woke is Hollywood going to make this character? How much is Disney going to change their Snow White? Why are they going to change these characters [to] exist for the times?" h

"Superman's inherent weakness [is] his goodness," a quality he described as emblematic of the character's "great values." He even insisted, "We know Superman is an immigrant — he's a freaking alien."

"The 'American way' is immigrant friendly, tremendously immigrant friendly. But there are rules."

Cain continued, "You can't come in saying, 'I want to get rid of all the rules in America, because I want it to be more like Somalia.' Well that doesn't work, because you had to leave Somalia to come here... There have to be limits, because we cant have everybody in the United States. We can't have everybody, society will fail. So there have to be limits."

Dean Cain complains James Gunn's 'Superman' succumbed to 'woke' Hollywood, too pro-immigration

Former Superman Dean Cain believes the hero has always been 'tremendously immigrant friendly,' but worries that James Gunn intends to push the character in too 'woke' of a direction.

ew.com

 

[DCDAVE]

Wow…. Superman will have 300 reviews on rotten tomatoes by the end of the night. I noticed some movies that came out earlier in the year barely have 200 reviews. Big Blue might have over 400 reviews when this is done.

 

[Comicbookguy339]

This had everything that a modern Superman movie needed to have. it really takes the various criticisms of Superman Returns and Man of Steel to heart and does right by the character. It maybe could have used more Clark Kent and the Daily Planet but as they skipped the origin and the Lois/Superman will they/won't they relationship then I can understand why that wasn't a big part of it.

I've seen complaints about the fast pacing and the film feeling overstuffed (things that I was worried about before seeing it) but I didn't feel that at all. Everything served a purpose and there were moments here and there where characters were able to breathe. Perhaps if you're not as dialed in into the comics then it might feel overwhelming but after two decades of CBMs I think the GA will be able to keep up.

 

[Superark]

I think the wife and I are gonna go to the local Walmart beforehand and get a couple \S/ t-shirts.

Do it! I bought my wife and I a couple. I have to say, the Walmart ones are the cheapest in price, but far and away the best quality in terms of feel and print. I was highly disappointed by the ones I bought off DC Shop and Amazon, especially since they were more than double the price.

We'll be wearing ours tonight, while our youngest will be sporting his Krypto shirt.

 

[Superark]

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Regardless of anyone's politics or feelings about immigration, as a conservative and fan of Dean Cain, it truly bugs me to see how many in the far Right are latching onto a complete nothing burger of a quote from James Gunn and trying to turn this into more "Hollywood is making everything woke."

Sorry, I try not to dive into politics here because this forum is an escape from the rest of the nonsense in the world but I just had to get that out.

 

[GreenKToo]

Regardless of anyone's politics or feelings about immigration, as a conservative and fan of Dean Cain, it truly bugs me to see how many in the far Right are latching onto a complete nothing burger of a quote from James Gunn and trying to turn this into more "Hollywood is making everything woke."

Sorry, I try not to dive into politics here because this forum is an escape from the rest of the nonsense in the world but I just had to get that out.

Yup. I stay away from politics in here.