The Daily Planet Vol. 2: Superman News and Speculation Thread (🚨TAG SPOILERS🚨)

[Primal Slayer]

Spoiler

I’m not convinced he’s dead. He will return as Bizarro

But he doesn’t know that

 

[-Arya-]

But he doesn’t know that

I’ll admit this is conjecture. The point is it’s open ended, and not definitive like what happened in MOS.

 

[Deck Rickard]

Spoiler

Yeah I watched the scene again and I’m not sure he was even really trying to knock him into the black hole. I think he was just trying to find a way to end the fight. It would have been great if he had tried to save him but he was beaten down pretty badly and exhausted at that point.

 

[donuts]

 

[dhandler01]

I wouldn't say he didn't care. He didn't just let everyone and anyone die. He was in literal fight or flight mode

You could make that argument if he had shown any affinity for people outside his friends in Smallville. He spent most of the film not trusting people and honestly sort of looking down on them. Even going public he didn't seem to really trust them. Going from that to putting people in harm's way doesn't look like he is in "fight or flight" it just looks like he is going to beat the guy up and damned the consequences. That is absolutely how the GA looked at it...

That is part of the problem...at no point in MOS prior to any of the destruction do you think that he wants to protect anyone except himself and his loved ones so it is hard to believe he is actually doing anything to protect them from Zod and Company. Its basic "save the cat" film making...show the hero doing good things and having strong relationships and when he does heroic things the audience will see him as the hero and forgive some sins. They tried that when Young Clark saves the kids on the bus but then ruin it when his dad tells him he shouldn't do that. If Clark had defied him and said "I won't do that, I want to protect people" then what came next might have worked. Instead he just navel gazes and only helps people if he happens to see them on his quest to find out who he is and if it somehow affects him. (like the Trucker)

It doesn't take much to change the entire tone of MOS and a good director would have been able to do that.

 

[dhandler01]

He does however send Ultraman into a black hole seemingly killing them all the same & then crack a joke though.

We don't know he is dead (he isn't) and Batman let Ras die and people seemed fine with that.

To me sending him into the Black Hole is no different than putting him in the Phantom Zone.

 

[Primal Slayer]

You could make that argument if he had shown any affinity for people outside his friends in Smallville. He spent most of the film not trusting people and honestly sort of looking down on them. Even going public he didn't seem to really trust them. Going from that to putting people in harm's way doesn't look like he is in "fight or flight" it just looks like he is going to beat the guy up and damned the consequences. That is absolutely how the GA looked at it...

That is part of the problem...at no point in MOS prior to any of the destruction do you think that he wants to protect anyone except himself and his loved ones so it is hard to believe he is actually doing anything to protect them from Zod and Company. Its basic "save the cat" film making...show the hero doing good things and having strong relationships and when he does heroic things the audience will see him as the hero and forgive some sins. They tried that when Young Clark saves the kids on the bus but then ruin it when his dad tells him he shouldn't do that. If Clark had defied him and said "I won't do that, I want to protect people" then what came next might have worked. Instead he just navel gazes and only helps people if he happens to see them on his quest to find out who he is and if it somehow affects him. (like the Trucker)

It doesn't take much to change the entire tone of MOS and a good director would have been able to do that.

Huh? He saves people during his big fight


He saves people earlier in the oil rig explosion


He isnt just saving people he grew up with. MoS is FAR from a perfect Superman movie but he isnt just letting people die left and right. It doesnt matter if he spent most of the film not trusting people.

In Superman, Clark has 3 additional people helping him in half of these fights. He takes on a singular monster monster, a singular hammerman or whatever his name is, and Engineer/Ultraman who aren't even attacking civilians. It isn't 3 kryptonian criminals who he is taking on 1:1

 

[-Arya-]

Supes 25 is more thoughtful in his fights compared to MOS. I can’t imagine MOS Supes trying to limit collateral damage in Metropolis the way it is done in Superman 25.

Additionally in the beginning of BvS Supes bashes the human villain through a wall and *probably* kills him. Supes 25’ would’ve found a different method.

 

[GreenKToo]

I've always thought the metropolis fight was too much after the fight we saw in SV.
Now that fight in SV was great. That should have been the final fight.

 

[B]

Spoiler

I’m not convinced he’s dead. He will return as Bizarro

We don't know he is dead (he isn't) and Batman let Ras die and people seemed fine with that.

To me sending him into the Black Hole is no different than putting him in the Phantom Zone.

I'll just reply to both seeing as you both effectively say the same thing, I don't think Ultraman will be dead either, but Superman & indeed we don't know that. Superman at bare minimum knows/believes nothing good will be through that black hole judging by how he was scrambling to save himself & Baby Joey from getting sucked through it when he was trapped in the pocket universe.

Personally speaking I think both the MoS & Superman villain endings were done well, I'm obviously in the minority with that but that's just me.

I’ll admit this is conjecture. The point is it’s open ended, and not definitive like what happened in MOS.

Just to toss another one back at you, if Ultraman survived getting swallowed by a black hole & ends up returning as Bizzaro at some point, would this not walk a similar sort of line as Zod being resurrected & turned into Doomsday in BvS?

 

[Deck Rickard]

I'll just reply to both seeing as you both effectively say the same thing, I don't think Ultraman will be dead either, but Superman & indeed we don't know that. Superman at bare minimum knows/believes nothing good will be through that black hole judging by how he was scrambling to save himself & Baby Joey from getting sucked through it when he was trapped in the pocket universe.

Personally speaking I think both the MoS & Superman villain endings were done well, I'm obviously in the minority with that but that's just me.



Just to toss another one back at you, if Ultraman survived getting swallowed by a black hole & ends up returning as Bizzaro at some point, would this not walk a similar sort of line as Zod being resurrected & turned into Doomsday in BvS?

Spoiler

I think it’s a bit different. Bizarro is often portrayed as an unintelligent clone of Superman, or Ultraman is already (kind of) Bizarro, or at last an adaptation/remix of him. Of course, he’s also a remix of (comic book) Ultraman, who is typically not a clone of Supes but an alternate universe version of him. But if we see the character again and he returns from some other universe, he could possibly come back as a more traditional version of either character (I would prefer Bizarro personally).

To my knowledge, there has never been a version of Doomsday that was a resurrected Zod. Though Dooomsday’s origins are Kryptonian so there might be some connection there. I guess it’s similar to the remix idea of Ultraman and Bizarro but i think Snyder just did that because it was a convenient way to rush us into the Death of Superman and you have to use Doomsday for that I guess.

 

[-Arya-]

Just to toss another one back at you, if Ultraman survived getting swallowed by a black hole & ends up returning as Bizzaro at some point, would this not walk a similar sort of line as Zod being resurrected & turned into Doomsday in BvS?

I don’t think so.

Spoiler

Zod clearly died and was then resurrected. There is nothing to suggest Ultraman died in the first place. He may just mutate into Bizarro or maybe just return in his original form. He never died.||

 

[dhandler01]

Huh? He saves people during his big fight


He saves people earlier in the oil rig explosion


He isnt just saving people he grew up with. MoS is FAR from a perfect Superman movie but he isnt just letting people die left and right. It doesnt matter if he spent most of the film not trusting people.

In Superman, Clark has 3 additional people helping him in half of these fights. He takes on a singular monster monster, a singular hammerman or whatever his name is, and Engineer/Ultraman who aren't even attacking civilians. It isn't 3 kryptonian criminals who he is taking on 1:1

Go back and read what I said again. He saved the people on the rig because he just so happened to be filming an episode of Deadliest Catch. (he ran into them on his quest to find out who he is) He saved people in Smallville because that is where he grew up. You made my point for me...especially because he basically saves no one in Metropolis which he has no affinity for.

In Superman he is getting flack because he flew in to stop a war with countries he has no connection to. (in BvS Lois is there so he has to go save her) He saves animals and even wants to save a Kaiju. He goes out of his way to save people all over the place including helping the guy who has turned his body into kryptonite and is killing him. Hell he is still trying to convince The Engineer even after she helped destroy the Fortress, slaughtered his robots and kidnapped his dog.

The storytelling is just better. You are given an opportunity to see who he is and what he stands for. The amount of saves isn't what does it, it is how he does it that works. If Snyder would have let his Superman show that kind of humanity for the average person Cav-El would have connected more. And I said that while I was defending that film back when it was released. We were promised that was coming, that Superman would evolve, be he never did because they decided to kill him as a McGuffin for Justice League.

 

[dhandler01]

I'll just reply to both seeing as you both effectively say the same thing, I don't think Ultraman will be dead either, but Superman & indeed we don't know that. Superman at bare minimum knows/believes nothing good will be through that black hole judging by how he was scrambling to save himself & Baby Joey from getting sucked through it when he was trapped in the pocket universe.

Personally speaking I think both the MoS & Superman villain endings were done well, I'm obviously in the minority with that but that's just me.



Just to toss another one back at you, if Ultraman survived getting swallowed by a black hole & ends up returning as Bizzaro at some point, would this not walk a similar sort of line as Zod being resurrected & turned into Doomsday in BvS?

Spoiler

I used to like the ending to MOS...but it aged very badly. If they would have used the trauma he felt for killing someone as his reasoning for not wanting to kill it could have been something great. But he was the same character at the beginning of BvS...there was almost zero growth. He kills that dude holding Lois hostage (no human survives that) and he is menacing and threatening to Bruce to the point you could totally see him killing Batman if he had to and then he of course kills Doomsday. They wanted a Superman that could go Injustice on the bit, and that is what they got.

And I think the difference between Bizarro/Ultraman and Zod/Doomsday is Doomsday's origin never had anything to do with Zod he was created 200k years ago in an effort to create a being that could survive on prehistoric Krypton through accelerated evolution. One of Bizarro's origins has always been the imperfect clone created by Lex.

 

[Primal Slayer]

Go back and read what I said again. He saved the people on the rig because he just so happened to be filming an episode of Deadliest Catch. (he ran into them on his quest to find out who he is) He saved people in Smallville because that is where he grew up. You made my point for me...especially because he basically saves no one in Metropolis which he has no affinity for.

In Superman he is getting flack because he flew in to stop a war with countries he has no connection to. (in BvS Lois is there so he has to go save her) He saves animals and even wants to save a Kaiju. He goes out of his way to save people all over the place including helping the guy who has turned his body into kryptonite and is killing him. Hell he is still trying to convince The Engineer even after she helped destroy the Fortress, slaughtered his robots and kidnapped his dog.

The storytelling is just better. You are given an opportunity to see who he is and what he stands for. The amount of saves isn't what does it, it is how he does it that works. If Snyder would have let his Superman show that kind of humanity for the average person Cav-El would have connected more. And I said that while I was defending that film back when it was released. We were promised that was coming, that Superman would evolve, be he never did because they decided to kill him as a McGuffin for Justice League.

He is brand new. He isnt a superhero yet. Teen Clark isnt out here all the time saving everyone around the world. He saves them where he's at. That does not make him bad.

Was 'Superman' Clark going around the world saving people before he left Smallville? You are comparing Year 3 to Year 0.5. Acting as if Clark is supposed to be saving everyone around the world left and right as soon as he is walking and talking.

If he didnt care about people in Metropolis, he wouldnt have snapped Zods neck.

 

[X Knight]

MOS Superman would have saved people during the Metropolis fight. The film showed that it was in MOS Superman's nature to save/help people, even if that Superman was more of the lone wanderer type of character.

However, the problem lies in the creative team (Snyder and writers). For whatever reason, they chose not to include a scene or two during the Metropolis fight to show Superman saving civilians or being actively concerned for their safety.

Instead they got caught up in the visuals and "action porn." And the fight was exciting to watch. Yet including a few extra scenes to show that Superman trying to protect civilians from all the chaos would have gone a long way towards blunting that particular criticism of the film.

 

[B]

Spoiler

I used to like the ending to MOS...but it aged very badly. If they would have used the trauma he felt for killing someone as his reasoning for not wanting to kill it could have been something great. But he was the same character at the beginning of BvS...there was almost zero growth. He kills that dude holding Lois hostage (no human survives that) and he is menacing and threatening to Bruce to the point you could totally see him killing Batman if he had to and then he of course kills Doomsday. They wanted a Superman that could go Injustice on the bit, and that is what they got.

And I think the difference between Bizarro/Ultraman and Zod/Doomsday is Doomsday's origin never had anything to do with Zod he was created 200k years ago in an effort to create a being that could survive on prehistoric Krypton through accelerated evolution. One of Bizarro's origins has always been the imperfect clone created by Lex.

Spoiler

I agree, when you look what happened beyond MoS, it takes away from the ending because it should have been a major growth element for the character. However we got multiple crap teamup movies from that followed which basically ignored that potential character growth point & as you said arguably made it worse with the fighting Batman in which it certainly seemed like he'd kill him.

I wouldn't assume Superman kills the man holding Lois hostage at the start of BvS anymore than I would assume Superman killed any of Lex's raptors at the end of Superman. There was force used but I assume they all survive in both films.

Doomsday's had wildly differing origins across all forms of media, I don't think any live action portrayal has yet done Doomsday's origin in the manner in which I thought was most interesting, which was as you've said born/created on prehistoric Krypton. I think I own a Doomsday one-shot somewhere that touches on it, although it's been a minute since I've read it.
However some of his origins have actually featured or been connected to Zod in some capacity, wasn't he born from Bizzaro on Superman & Lois also?

I hope we get Doomsday again, maybe for the first JL film a few years & several movies down the line. Build him up, have a few films post-credit scene feature his fist punching a wall similar to what preluded his original arrival in the comics.

 

[B]

MOS Superman would have saved people during the Metropolis fight. The film showed that it was in MOS Superman's nature to save/help people, even if that Superman was more of the lone wanderer type of character.

However, the problem lies in the creative team (Snyder and writers). For whatever reason, they chose not to include a scene or two during the Metropolis fight to show Superman saving civilians or being actively concerned for their safety.

Instead they got caught up in the visuals and "action porn." And the fight was exciting to watch. Yet including a few extra scenes to show that Superman trying to protect civilians from all the chaos would have gone a long way towards blunting that particular criticism of the film.

Exactly, you saw the sort of difference saving a few people (and animals) did in the latest Superman to blunt the overall carnage that was being caused in the Kaiju & Ultraman battles. I can't actually remember a save in the Ultraman sequence off the top of my head but I'm sure there is at least one.

EDIT - Scratch that, he saves the woman in the car when the building's collapsing at the very beginning.

 

[Lily Adler]

Huh? He saves people during his big fight


He saves people earlier in the oil rig explosion


He isnt just saving people he grew up with. MoS is FAR from a perfect Superman movie but he isnt just letting people die left and right. It doesnt matter if he spent most of the film not trusting people.

In Superman, Clark has 3 additional people helping him in half of these fights. He takes on a singular monster monster, a singular hammerman or whatever his name is, and Engineer/Ultraman who aren't even attacking civilians. It isn't 3 kryptonian criminals who he is taking on 1:1

Gurl he blew up a ****ing rail station.

 

[king666]

You see, if MOS was a good movie with a functional story I’d be willing to give a pass to the destruction porn + Supes killing Zod. Thing is, that movie fails to make me empathize with Clark on a very fundamental level. I could not give a **** if that Superman lives or dies or becomes evil or whatever.

Now when it comes to Superman 2025… Even with all its flaws I simply can’t wait to watch a new adventure with this Superman.

 

[Primal Slayer]

Gurl he blew up a ****ing rail station.

who uses rail stations?

 

[dhandler01]

who uses rail stations?

 

[Lily Adler]

who uses rail stations?

Oh railroad workers aren't people.

 

[donuts]

"From the director of SUPERMAN" has a very nice ring to it!

 

[Venom 1988]

UPDATE - Changed to Instagram instead of Bluesky since its easier to view embedded. And after researching on Google and Reddit lol, here's the total list (left to right):

Madame Xanadu as Sister Symmetry
Silent Knight
Exoristos
Black Pirate
Miss Liberty
Windrunner
Super-Chief
El Diablo
Iron Monroe
Ghost of Flanders
Sandman
Amazing-Man
Zatarra
Liberty Belle
Bulletman
Max Mercury
Bulletgirl
TNT
Dynamite
Phantom Lady
Atomic Knight
Freedom Beast
Wildcat
Vibe
Gunfire
Maxwell Lord (cause he has an ego and paid for the mural lol)