The Daily Planet Vol. 2: Superman News and Speculation Thread (🚨TAG SPOILERS🚨)

[flickchick85]

I've been a part of Facebook groups for as long as I can remember. I am a pretty big collector and I mingle with a lot of fans in these groups. Moderators do a phenomenal job in banning spammers and bots. They all attack one another in the groups themselves. The drama runs deep. What I don't understand, is if all Snyder fans are "bots", imbeciles from hell, cultists, and a minority, then why do they dominate every conversation? I've seen DC pages on social media formed to do nothing but combat the Snyder fandom. It's a sight to behold the ruckus the division has caused. The fanbase is so fractured beyond repair.

Let's be real here though - you're a Snyder fan. You run in different circles than most of us here, plain and simple. That's why they "dominate the conversations" you see. And sure, you can say they're all "just Superman fans" all you want, but I'm sorry, I'm not buying that. I've encountered way too many of those people to believe that. Even the ones who were Reeve/Supes comics fans before Snyder came along but ultimately tended to favor his version. I've dealt with a few of those myself. They are the ones who loved Superman for what I consider the "wrong" reasons - we'll call them the Macho Power-Fantasy fans. The ones who flew into a rage whenever Supes lost a fight on Supergirl or S&L. The "Supes is my Alpha Hero" crowd significantly overlap with the toxic manosphere as well, which is why they gravitate toward Snyder's version. Their opinions are no more worth listening to than the ones who never gave the character of Superman the time of day before Snyder imo. Some of us have muted and blocked a bunch of those people over the years for a reason. Because they are loud, but they are not as many as they pretend to be. And they are sure as hell not remotely representative of the general audience (hence failed films and lackluster viewing numbers for Zack's projects) OR the general feeling online. But if they're the people you gravitated toward during the Snyder era and continue to hang with, then of course you're gonna have a skewed view of what the response to this movie has been. Those people were gonna hate on everything they see here no matter what. Having those toxic influences muted/blocked on various platforms really changes one's perspective of the online conversation. And it's much more pleasant, I must say.

And please don't try to "both sides" me on this. As a mod here, I've encountered angry fans from every fandom we have on this site - Marvel, DC, Star Wars, Star Trek, Harry Potter...you name it. I know they all have their bad apples. But the type of threats I got from the Snyder Cultists on this board (and these were multiple members, not just one - there's a shockingly consistent pattern of hostile behavior throughout) are beyond anything I have gotten from any of the others. And it's well-known they did the same to members of the former WB regime. All fandoms are not created equal, and we're past the point of pretending they are. Snyder's films with their videogamey macho-wannabe-"badass" visuals and their edgelord themes specifically attract a certain type of toxic male fan that other IP's do far less. There's a reason this section and the Batboard are both much more civil and chill than the BvS section was back in the day. Hint: most of the Cult got themselves banned, for very good reason.

I appreciate that we have some good folks here who happen to like Snyder's films. That's cool. Like what you like! But DO NOT try to start a Snyder Cult defense tour on here, because that's where my appreciation ends. Just drop the topic. They're the past, and not worth discussing, plain and simple. This is a glorious time of hype and a fresh start from an over decade-long dark age for DC, so let's just enjoy this exciting new era, and leave the Cult's opinions to their echochamber where it belongs.

 

[Tra-El]

Most negativity comes from Snyderbros.

And Snyderbros should find a new hobby. The Rebel Moon franchise, for example.

That's wonderful and all. You know what? They tried that. They tried keeping to themselves in that new IP. Guess who made accounts attacking that fanbase after the release and who had a problem with them being excited about Zack's material? "Real DC Fans" going into those spaces and mocking them. Which in turn? Drives their nastiness towards the reboot even more. If you think it's only one sided, then maybe the echo chamber truly is sealed tight.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

That's wonderful and all. You know what? They tried that. They tried keeping to themselves in that new IP. Guess who made accounts attacking that fanbase after the release and who had a problem with them being excited about Zack's material? "Real DC Fans" going into those spaces and mocking them. Which in turn? Drives their nastiness towards the reboot even more. If you think it's only one sided, then maybe the echo chamber truly is sealed tight.

 

[flickchick85]

That's wonderful and all. You know what? They tried that. They tried keeping to themselves in that new IP.

They did not do that for even a damn week, sir.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

What are you talking about? They aren't even in these forums to ignore or legitimatize, no? I still come here for the sole reason to get away from all the negativity. Judging by just the last few posts right above us, I am not the one giving them legitimacy when the main consusus is that the majority of those fans are causing the most stir. In fact, I'm the one saying that it ISN'T just Snyder Bros that may happen to bring negativity to the Superman conversation. If anything, I'm doing the opposite and acknowledging otherwise.

I simply stated that I have seen negative comments regarding this reboot that don't come from Snyder fans, and the response was "how do you know"? So, Snyder fans are being legitimized by someone else.

What I'm talking about you responding to every little bit of criticism thrown at those movies way (someone simply called the new movie the polar opposite and it became a thing), and then using the criticism you apparently find in Snyder fan dens to explain to us that this movie has a mixed reaction.

 

[Tra-El]

Let's be real here though - you're a Snyder fan. You run in different circles than most of us here, plain and simple. That's why they "dominate the conversations" you see. And sure, you can say they're all "just Superman fans" all you want, but I'm sorry, I'm not buying that. I've encountered way too many of those people to believe that. Even the ones who were Reeve/Supes comics fans before Snyder came along but ultimately tended to favor his version. I've dealt with a few of those myself. They are the ones who loved Superman for what I consider the "wrong" reasons - we'll call them the Macho Power-Fantasy fans. The ones who flew into a rage whenever Supes lost a fight on Supergirl or S&L. The "Supes is my Alpha Hero" crowd significantly overlap with the toxic manosphere as well, which is why they gravitate toward Snyder's version. Their opinions are no more worth listening to than the ones who never gave the character of Superman the time of day before Snyder imo. Some of us have muted and blocked a bunch of those people over the years for a reason. Because they are loud, but they are not as many as they pretend to be. And they are sure as hell not remotely representative of the general audience (hence failed films and lackluster viewing numbers for Zack's projects) OR the general feeling online. But if they're the people you gravitated toward during the Snyder era and continue to hang with, then of course you're gonna have a skewed view of what the response to this movie have been. Those people were gonna hate on everything they see here no matter what. Having those toxic influences muted/blocked on various platforms really changes one's perspective of the online conversation. And it's much more pleasant, I must say.

And please don't try to "both sides" me on this. As a mod here, I've encountered angry fans from every fandom we have on this site - Marvel, DC, Star Wars, Star Trek, Harry Potter...you name it. I know they all have their bad apples. But the type of threats I got from the Snyder Cultists on this board (and these were multiple members, not just one - there's a shockingly consistent pattern of hostile behavior throughout) are beyond anything I have gotten from any of the others. And it's well-known they did the same to members of the former WB regime. All fandoms are not created equal, and we're past the point of pretending they are. Snyder's films with their videogamey macho-wannabe-"badass" visuals and their edgelord themes specifically attract a certain type of toxic male fan that other IP's do far less. There's a reason this section and the Batboard are both much more civil and chill than the BvS section was back in the day. Hint: most of the Cult got themselves banned, for very good reason.

I appreciate that we have some good folks here who happen to like Snyder's films. That's cool. Like what you like! But DO NOT try to start a Snyder Cult defense tour on here, because that's where my appreciation ends. Just drop the topic. They're the past, and not worth discussing, plain and simple. This is a glorious time of hype and a fresh start from an over decade-long dark age for DC, so let's just enjoy this exciting new era, and leave the Cult's opinions to their echochamber where it belongs.

I don't run with anybody. That's ludicrous. I even wanted to come back in these forums for a reason. In fact, I can barely remember any names from the past servers and conversations or what not (or usernames). I even made a brand new Twitter account (look me up if so, my handle is "Rocketed From Krypton" if anyone wants to connect) with 26 followers who follows DCU pages to get away from all the negativity, but the majority of those pages pop up on my feed because they are in a daily battle with the nasty Snyder fandom, who I legit put in their place whenever I see fit, and vice versa. I try to keep my spaces as positive and peaceful as possible. But I understand that everyone knows I happen to like Zack's movies, and when these conversations come up, I will be lumped in with that crowd, because I still think it's an intriguing phenomenon that is plaguing the fandom to this day, and worth the conversation that may not be in line with others. But again, I do play both sides, because I am lucky enough to have enjoyed the past and love what I'm seeing from the future. I just think being this way, both sides get that rise out of me. It's not easy because my heart is big for Superman and the morals that come with being a fan. But nah, I don't run with anybody. I just want to run with other like-minded Superman fans, is all.

 

[Sithborg]

Yeah, just a warning, staying on twitter is a bit of a judgement.

On the plus side, with him getting in bed with Dana White and the Saudis, I no longer feel the need to be delicate in my views. Zack Snyder is just a bad person.

 

[kguillou]

Literally the only thing i’m not liking from what I’m seeing thus far is the suit. I like the vibe, the colors; the tone; the music but i do not like this suit. I dont hate it but the collar throws me off. I never ever liked that on Superman. If he was sporting something like Tyler Hoechlin’s suit it’d be perfect.

 

[Tra-El]

What I'm talking about you responding to every little bit of criticism thrown at those movies way (someone simply called the new movie the polar opposite and it became a thing), and then using the criticism you apparently find in Snyder fan dens to explain to us that this movie has a mixed reaction.

I was just piggybacking off someone's comments of this film being the opposite of Man of Steel. My main point was being happy that that's exactly what Superman needs to be. I don't bring up Snyder's films unless replying to someone else's posts because that juxtaposition still intrigues me to reply. I'm more than happy not to talk about MoS of the Snyderverse. Zod knows we had enough of that over the last decade. I don't come here for that.

 

[DorkyFresh]

lol, just watched this one kid's reaction on Youtube and he ended it with a HUGE smile saying "Supaman is my LEAST FAVORITE HERO...but that was ****ing SICK!"

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I don't run with anybody. That's ludicrous. I even wanted to come back in these forums for a reason. In fact, I can barely remember any names from the past servers and conversations or what not (or usernames). I even made a brand new Twitter account (look me up if so, my handle is "Rocketed From Krypton" if anyone wants to connect) with 26 followers who follows DCU pages to get away from all the negativity, but the majority of those pages pop up on my feed because they are in a daily battle with the nasty Snyder fandom, who I legit put in their place whenever I see fit, and vice versa. I try to keep my spaces as positive and peaceful as possible. But I understand that everyone knows I happen to like Zack's movies, and when these conversations come up, I will be lumped in with that crowd, because I still think it's an intriguing phenomenon that is plaguing the fandom to this day, and worth the conversation that may not be in line with others. But again, I do play both sides, because I am lucky enough to have enjoyed the past and love what I'm seeing from the future. I just think being this way, both sides get that rise out of me. It's not easy because my heart is big for Superman and the morals that come with being a fan. But nah, I don't run with anybody. I just want to run with other like-minded Superman fans, is all.

 

[Tra-El]

Literally the only thing i’m not liking from what I’m seeing thus far is the suit. I like the vibe, the colors; the tone; the music but i do not like this suit. I dont hate it but the collar throws me off. I never ever liked that on Superman. If he was sporting something like Tyler Hoechlin’s suit it’d be perfect.

David's suit has grown on me. I was kind of intrigued with the materials at first, but it's one of those things were the more I see it, the more I like it. It looks great in the sneak peek. My only nitpick is the height of the trunks but only that is a nitpick and I can live with.

 

[Tra-El]

lol, just watched this one kid's reaction on Youtube and he ended it with a HUGE smile saying "Supaman is my LEAST FAVORITE HERO...but that was ****ing SICK!"

These are the kids and families this film needs to bring in. That's a good start. My brother loved it. He thinks this movie will melt our faces off".

 

[Tra-El]

Yeah, I agree. That's the truth, but it's an interesting place to observe. Not good for people who want to just converse at a fast pace that's for sure.

 

[flickchick85]

I don't run with anybody. That's ludicrous. I even wanted to come back in these forums for a reason. In fact, I can barely remember any names from the past servers and conversations or what not (or usernames). I even made a brand new Twitter account (look me up if so, my handle is "Rocketed From Krypton" if anyone wants to connect) with 26 followers who follows DCU pages to get away from all the negativity, but the majority of those pages pop up on my feed because they are in a daily battle with the nasty Snyder fandom, who I legit put in their place whenever I see fit, and vice versa. I try to keep my spaces as positive and peaceful as possible. But I understand that everyone knows I happen to like Zack's movies, and when these conversations come up, I will be lumped in with that crowd, because I still think it's an intriguing phenomenon that is plaguing the fandom to this day, and worth the conversation that may not be in line with others. But again, I do play both sides, because I am lucky enough to have enjoyed the past and love what I'm seeing from the future. I just think being this way, both sides get that rise out of me. It's not easy because my heart is big for Superman and the morals that come with being a fan. But nah, I don't run with anybody. I just want to run with other like-minded Superman fans, is all.

I know, I scroll the Superman tag on Twitter for news on a regularly basis, and I've seen you on there. And I love your positivity, for the record! But ALSO for the record, at least one of the guys you regularly chat with on there is EXACTLY one of those people I'm talking about. I won't post his handle on here and needlessly call him out, but I followed him from way back when he was poster on here, before he fell down the unfortunate manosphere rabbit hole.

And for clarity, when we talk about the Cult here, we are NOT lumping you in with them. If that's the source of your defensiveness, please rest easy. I would never talk about current posters like that, especially not nice, civil guys like you. There are fans of Snyder's films, like yourself and the lovely @kguillou up there, and then there's the Cult. The Cult have caused this board more headaches than any group, and they are rightfully called what they are here. We have no love for the Cult, and don't appreciate people trying to equate them with the rest of fandom. They're simply not the same. And every time you do that, you will get pushback here. We've seen too much. You're just drudging up Wartime flashbacks when you do that.

 

[Tra-El]

I know, I scroll the Superman tag on Twitter for news on a regularly basis, and I've seen you on there. And I love your positivity, for the record! But ALSO for the record, at least one of the guys you regularly chat with on there is EXACTLY one of those people I'm talking about. I won't post his handle on here and needlessly call him out, but I followed him from way back when he was poster on here, before he fell down the unfortunate manosphere rabbit hole.

And for clarity, when we talk about the Cult here, we are NOT lumping you in with them. If that's the source of your defensiveness, please rest easy. I would never talk about current posters like that, especially not nice, civil guys like you. There are fans of Snyder's films, like yourself and the lovely @kguillou up there, and then there's the Cult. The Cult have caused this board more headaches than any group, and they are rightfully called what they are here. We have no love for the Cult, and don't appreciate people trying to equate them with the rest of fandom. They're simply not the same. And every time you do that, you will get pushback here. We've seen too much. You're just drudging up Wartime flashbacks when you do that.

I know who you are talking about because he's literally the only former HYPE member I ever came across lol. But we always got along and judging by his PM's to me, he's wanting the same thing true Superman fans want, and that is to enjoy the character and be his fans through thick and thin. No matter the case, I just try to brainstorm outside the box the best I can. I was with you all during that turmoil on the HYPE. It burnt me out to say the least. But, I'm still posting here because I want that fresh start, like all of you. It's very damn well needed.. obviously But I understand. This isn't our first rodeo. I'll get better. Just the consequence from straddling both sides lol.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

James Gunn’s New ‘Superman’ Footage Divides Internet: “Superman Doesn’t Whine”

James Gunn’s New ‘Superman’ Footage Divides Internet: “Superman Doesn’t Whine”

Do you believe a man can writhe? The filmmaker's vulnerable take on the Man of Steel provokes debate.

www.hollywoodreporter.com

From the writer of such right wing hit pieces as:

‘Snow White’ Producer’s Son Slams “Immature” Rachel Zegler: “Clearly Hurt the Film”

Producer Marc Platt's son Jonah posted and deleted a scathing comment about the Disney star.

www.hollywoodreporter.com

 

[Lily Adler]

From the writer of such right wing hit pieces as:

‘Snow White’ Producer’s Son Slams “Immature” Rachel Zegler: “Clearly Hurt the Film”

Producer Marc Platt's son Jonah posted and deleted a scathing comment about the Disney star.

www.hollywoodreporter.com

But he's an award winning writer living in Austin, TX...

 

[donuts]

That's wonderful and all. You know what? They tried that. They tried keeping to themselves in that new IP. Guess who made accounts attacking that fanbase after the release and who had a problem with them being excited about Zack's material? "Real DC Fans" going into those spaces and mocking them. Which in turn? Drives their nastiness towards the reboot even more. If you think it's only one sided, then maybe the echo chamber truly is sealed tight.

They tried keeping to themselves by spamming EVERY SINGLE COMMENT SECTION related to DC with constant hate and hashtags? Please...

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I was just piggybacking off someone's comments of this film being the opposite of Man of Steel. My main point was being happy that that's exactly what Superman needs to be. I don't bring up Snyder's films unless replying to someone else's posts because that juxtaposition still intrigues me to reply. I'm more than happy not to talk about MoS of the Snyderverse. Zod knows we had enough of that over the last decade. I don't come here for that.

That is literally what I'm talking about. And from what I read, it does not feel like a curiosity of exploring the juxtaposition. It comes off as a defense for those movies. This very night you've written about how bad apparently Snyder fans have it, as they get attacked in their groups.

 

[Tra-El]

They tried keeping themselves by spamming EVERY SINGLE COMMENT SECTION related to DC with constant hate and hashtags... for a decade now? Please...

I don't condone any toxic behavior. Never have. Never will. My main message isn't to stick up for Snyder fans who have done and said awful things. All I'm saying, is both sides aren't necessarily innocent is all, and that's my stance and exposure to it all.

That said, I think we should listen to flick and just drop the conversation. I won't be responding to things of that nature from here on out.

 

[dhandler01]

We both know this to be true. Good Superman Tis’ only a fantasy on the screen.

 

[Tra-El]

That is literally what I'm talking about. And from what I read, it does not feel like a curiosity of exploring the juxtaposition. It comes off as a defense for those movies. This very night you've written about how bad apparently Snyder fans have it, as they get attacked in their groups.

That wasn't the main focus of my words, debate, or message. I acknowledge all parties of the hot topic subject. Nonetheless, we can end it here.

 

[donuts]

I don't condone any toxic behavior. Never have. Never will. My main message isn't to stick up for Snyder fans who have done and said awful things. All I'm saying, is both sides aren't necessarily innocent is all, and that's my stance and exposure to it all.

That said, I think we should listen to flick and just drop the conversation. I won't be responding to things of that nature from here on out.

I say: Snyderbros need to find a new hobby - Rebel Moon, and shut the hell up about DC already , because their opinion doesn't count. And yeah, let's move on.

 

[Tra-El]

I say: Snyderbros need to find a new hobby - Rebel Moon, and shut the hell up about DC already , because their opinion doesn't count. And yeah, let's move on.

That's fair