The Dark Knight Rises The Dark Knight Rises Info Hunters Thread - - - - - Part 1

[Knight Rise]

Batman is realistic. Which is why Nolan saying that over and over makes me confused. Hes a guy trained in martial arts that vowed to avenge his parents. Whats hard to believe about that?

 

[BatScot]

I love how many fans on the internet are under the delusion that they are smarter than the filmmakers. As if Chris Nolan and co. didn't know that Batman's gadgets or Two-Face's injuries were unrealistic. Those aren't mistakes, folks, that was the intention.

Those are compromises.

 

[iamcitizen]

Nobody's saying they're realistic.

Well, some are.

The point that we're trying to get across is, with all of the things that Batman/his gadgets can do, along with Two-Face's injuries (as you've mentioned)... why can't the lazarus pit exist? It doesn't have to be something that brings back people from the dead, it could be altered to fit in Nolan's Batman.

No, I'm on your side. I'm just saying that all of these so-called "mistakes" aren't really mistakes at all. Nolan, like pretty much every filmmaker in history, intentionally breaks from reality on occasion in order to make his movies more exciting and dramatic.

I don't know if he'd do a Lazarus Pit or not, but it's not out of the question.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

Am I just supposed to take your word on this?

Would you like a basic explanation or a more in depth explanation of how the enzyme telomerase governs the aging process in all vertebrates on the planet?

 

[BatScot]

Sorry to post this again. But the properties that govern the Pit are real. It is just the speed they work that are not. Just like there are microwave emitters, just they are nothing at all how they worked in Batman Begins, there are hallucinogens, just not how they work in Batman Begins and The Dark Knight, using something as abstract as fear. And just like their are burn victims, but none that can survive what Harvey did, let alone walk around for a day, without infection or septic shock. If you must have everything rationalized, you must accept, almost everything can be rationalized.

Nonsense. In any case, there are many real people who have survived far worse than those injuries suffered by the fictional Harvey Dent.

 

[Troy_Parker]

No, I'm on your side. I'm just saying that all of these so-called "mistakes" aren't really mistakes at all. Nolan, like pretty much every filmmaker in history, intentionally breaks from reality on occasion in order to make his movies more exciting and dramatic.

I don't know if he'd do a Lazarus Pit or not, but it's not out of the question.

Exactly!

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

Nonsense. In any case, there are many real people who have survived far worse than those injuries suffered by the fictional Harvey Dent.

Survived burn on their face, right down to their skull, without skin grafts? And kept their eye, without an eyelid?

 

[iamcitizen]

It amazes me how many profess trust in Nolan yet ignore the very things he and David Goyer have had to say about grounding their approach to Batman in realism:

Their films are grounded in the real world. Compared to, say, Tim Burton's Batman films, which take place is a bizarre fantasy world, Nolan and Goyer's Batman films take place it a world very similar to our own. That doesn't mean that they can't have fantastical elements.

 

[Knight Rise]

okay after this controversy, i never want to hear a realistic superhero movie ever being made again. EVER. superheros were created to do things no ordinary human can do and be an idol to the people who read comics. you take a superhero with out superpowers and try to move him into the real world, its not the same. you've created a hero. but wheres the fun?

 

[Troy_Parker]

I have no problem with Batman movies having a sense of realism.

Batman/Bruce Wayne himself is not unrealistic.

Years of training to be in peak physical condition, and excellent fighting skills are not impossible.

His alter ego, and his villains are the ones (at least in Nolan's Batman) that are leaning towards a sense of realism, but are not realistic.

 

[Boom]

So a microwave emitter, jumping Batmobile, glider cape, sonar device, Two-Face's injuries, and a possible Lazarus Pit with healing properties are sound in Nolan's universe... yet a fabric-based batsuit continues to be touted as "too unrealistic" for this franchise.

 

[The_Raganork]

Would you like a basic explanation or a more in depth explanation of how the enzyme telomerase governs the aging process in all vertebrates on the planet?

Whichever, just don't tell me something and then have a void where the factual information should be at.

It's borderline insulting.

 

[Octoberist]

I try to keep an open mind. I don't care about 'realism' continuity unless it doesn't work.

 

[Troy_Parker]

So a microwave emitter, jumping Batmobile, glider cape, sonar device, Two-Face's injuries, and a possible Lazarus Pit with healing properties are sound in Nolan's universe... yet a fabric-based batsuit continues to be touted as "too unrealistic" for this franchise.

That's just it.

If he has all of these gadgets, why the hell would he go out with a fabric-based suit?

 

[Boom]

Improved flexibility and mobility for starters.

That way, we wouldn't have to have a Batman who takes 6+ months to discover that he is carrying too much weight, and that maybe, just maybe, he should have a cowl that allows him to turn his head.

 

[8Diagrams(WU)]

I just want a cool Batman story. Dont care about realistic continuity.

 

[Troy_Parker]

Improved flexibility and mobility for starters.

That way, we wouldn't have to have a Batman that takes a year to discover that maybe, just maybe, he should have a cowl that allows him to turn his head.

They addressed those issues in The Dark Knight.

Flexibility and mobility at the risk of being killed?... lol.

Did you mean a fabric based suit with armor plating underneath? If so, then sorry. There's no reason why that couldn't be used.

 

[Jedm1991]

Havent any of you seen the Batman gadgets documentary? All the Gadgets in Nolans films that Batman uses are perfectly legit and possible apart from the cape which is yet to be invented.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

Whichever, just don't tell me something and then have a void where the factual information should be at.

It's borderline insulting.

I'm am of course, sorry. I mean you no disrespect.

In short, telomerase is an enzyme that protects your DNA in every cell in your body, like how your ferrule protects the end of your shoelaces. However, every time a cell undergoes mitosis, a little bit of telomerase is lost. The body has enough to make you into a viable candidate to reproduce and pass on your genes. After which, your body begins to age and eventually, you end up with an old, shriveled husk of your once great body. We also know this now as a fact that it causes aging due to an experiment on mice. One set had been engineered so that the enzyme is not produced in the usual quantities. Their lifespan was shortened to one sixth and the second set of mice (who had also had telomerase inhibited) had the enzyme administered at six months, their organs began to regenerate, as if they were "deaged" and they had become fertile again. It can also regenerate damaged tissue. If you are to say, like Judd Winick's version of the pit, it doesn't not resurrect those who bathe within it, merely restores them, then it is entirely based in science.

Here are some links:

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v469/n7328/full/nature09603.html

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-12207953

 

[batman_gr]

I know what can kill this talk of realism!

Spoiler

 

[BatScot]

Survived burn on their face, right down to their skull, without skin grafts? And kept their eye, without an eyelid?

Google it and see for yourself what sort of grotesque injuries people have survived.

The point—as has already been laid out the last few pages of this thread—is not so much a matter of the improbability of Harvey Dent surviving his injuries as it is the impossibility of magical a goo pit.

 

[Boom]

Troy Parker, that's what I meant, yes. But there are fabric-based technologies that exist in the real world that offer bullet-proof protection.

There is kevlar and spider silk for starters, and then there is liquid armor, which can be applied to fabrics.

There was also this orange puddy-like substance that hardens upon impact. I can't remember what it's called. But something like that could line the inside of the batsuit in critical areas for added protection.

EDIT: Looked it up. The substance is D3O armor. Check it out.

 

[The_Raganork]

I'm am of course, sorry. I mean you no disrespect.

In short, telomerase is an enzyme that protects your DNA in every cell in your body, like how your ferrule protects the end of your shoelaces. However, every time a cell undergoes mitosis, a little bit of telomerase is lost. The body has enough to make you into a viable candidate to reproduce and pass on your genes. After which, your body begins to age and eventually, you end up with an old, shriveled husk of your once great body. We also know this now as a fact that it causes aging due to an experiment on mice. One set had been engineered so that the enzyme is not produced in the usual quantities. Their lifespan was shortened to one sixth and the second set of mice (who had also had telomerase inhibited) had the enzyme administered at six months, their organs began to regenerate, as if they were "deaged" and they had become fertile again. It can also regenerate damaged tissue.

Here are some links:

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v469/n7328/full/nature09603.html

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-12207953

all very interesting, now link this to the Lazarus pit

rather:

Link this to something that works akin to a Lazarus pit in real life

 

[batman_gr]

Don't complain about Two-Face. That was Nolan'way of honoring the fans. If it was just a scar people would still be complaining. Enjoy the quality of the greatest Batman films ever made. I'm not saying we shouldn't discuss things but please don't become aggressive and let this passion we have for the greatest DC hero get out of hand.

 

[Troy_Parker]

I know what can kill this talk of realism!

Spoiler

Batgirl's hair flowing out like that isn't realistic.