The Dark Knight Rises The Dark Knight Rises Info Hunters Thread - Part 4

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[Kane52630]

Let the new thread commence!

 

[JAK®]

Henchman was a word used NOT by Nolan.

How do you not understand that he wouldn't just make him a lackey?

He'll have great depth and substance; just watch the movie first. Jeez.

Yes, wait for the movie to come out before you say it will suck. Until then, talk about how it will have great depth and substance.

 

[Travesty]

Yes, wait for the movie to come out before you say it will suck. Until then, talk about how it will have great depth and substance.

I've really been lovin your posts lately, JAK.

 

[Name Changed]

Yes, wait for the movie to come out before you say it will suck. Until then, talk about how it will have great depth and substance.

I hate to say it, but I kind of agree. As much as I've defended the idea of The League of Shadows and Bane and Talia and all of that, it's not like Nolan's infallible either. The film could very well suck, and all that the man's earned with the character thus far is two very good credentials. That doesn't secure the third as an immediate gem. Hell, before Spider-Man 3 was released, Raimi had all but landed the role of Comic Book Directorial Godhood.

The rest is... well, unfortunate history.

 

[Yurka]

Glad to see in 40+ pages the conversation has remained exactly the same.

 

[JAK®]

This film will disappoint on some level simply because The Joker is a tough act to follow, and TDK had a particularly good Joker, which has now been immortalised by Heath Ledger's death.

Expectations are high.

 

[Maximus]

Yes, wait for the movie to come out before you say it will suck. Until then, talk about how it will have great depth and substance.

Are you saying that I'm one of the people who think the new movie will "suck" because of three lines of texts describing the movie?

No, you've got your facts wrong, pal.

 

[JAK®]

Are you saying that I'm one of the people who think the new movie will "suck" because of three lines of texts describing the movie?

No, you've got your facts wrong, pal.

Nope, on the contrary.

 

[Travesty]

Are you saying that I'm one of the people who think the new movie will "suck" because of three lines of texts describing the movie?

No, you've got your facts wrong, pal.

The way I read the post,was that he was pointing out the hypocrisy on both sides of the argument. You said we should wait until the movie comes out to make any decision, but until then, we should talk about how much depth and substance the characters will have in the movie. Again, on the other side of the spectrum, how do you know that without seeing the movie? Basically, everybody is jumping to conclusions.

 

[Maximus]

Nope, on the contrary.

If I'm wrong in my assumption that Nolan will give Bane depth and substance then what is your stance on it?

I'm not some Nolan nuthugger, but I do believe that he will deliver an astounding product regardless of the direction he decided for the story.

It would be silly to assume he would put out a poor product given the success of the previous two films.

 

[RustyCage]

So raybia said this in the last thread. I'll keep my reply short:

... I think the rumors are B.S. as well. They sound like a fanboys wet dream. If it is all true then I will be disappointed.

If they sound like a fanboy's wet dream, why are you and the overwhelming majority (fanboys) disappointed?

Do fanboys not like their wet dreams coming true?

Have some imagination for Godsake.

Ironically, you lack the imagination to see that Nolan could do well with it. You assume it's automatically a disaster. Condescension backfire.

 

[RustyCage]

Glad to see in 40+ pages the conversation has remained exactly the same.

Sorry, that's probably cause I wasn't here for those 40 pages and stirred things up (as I'm sure others have done as well). Such is the way of social interaction. Not everyone is exposed to everything in a conversation before they join it.

 

[Name Changed]

If I'm wrong in my assumption that Nolan will give Bane depth and substance then what is your stance on it?

I'm not some Nolan nuthugger, but I do believe that he will deliver an astounding product regardless of the direction he decided for the story.

It would be silly to assume he would put out a poor product given the success of the previous two films.

It's not silly at all. The fact of the matter is, regardless of the film's outcome, there's no telling of the future and how Dark Knight Rises will be seen in regards to the level of quality that this franchise has established. Even with all signs pointing in the positive direction, it doesn't hurt to expect a surprise. If anything, it's a good thing. It deters a level of disappointment if the film does infact fail to deliver, and illuminates the excitement if it exceeds expectations.

 

[JAK®]

If I'm wrong in my assumption that Nolan will give Bane depth and substance then what is your stance on it?

I'm not some Nolan nuthugger, but I do believe that he will deliver an astounding product regardless of the direction he decided for the story.

It would be silly to assume he would put out a poor product given the success of the previous two films.

My point is, saying "Don't assume this movie will suck, see the movie first" is hypocritical, because you seem perfectly content with guaranteeing that the movie will be good.

Yes, Nolan's track record points to that being the case. And I'm not claiming that there is any reason to doubt Nolan. But before Spider-Man 3 was released, Raimi could do no wrong. In a less extreme example, Jon Favreau was infallible prior to Iron Man 2.

Neither side has any idea how this movie will turn out.

 

[Yurka]

Sorry, that's probably cause I wasn't here for those 40 pages and stirred things up (as I'm sure others have done as well). Such is the way of social interaction. Not everyone is exposed to everything in a conversation before they join it.

You don't have to be omnipresent to click to the past thread and see that 2 days ago (40+ pages ago ) people were making the exact same arguments.- That because the League is (supposedly) in this movie, it instantly loses points.

 

[Travesty]

You don't have to be omnipresent to click to the past thread and see that 2 days ago (40+ pages ago ) people were making the exact same arguments.- That because the League is (supposedly) in this movie, it instantly loses points.

It's funny, because since the LOS might be in the movie, I'm more pumped for it.

But I guess that's just me?

 

[Yurka]

It's funny, because since the LOS might be in the movie, I'm more pumped for it.

But I guess that's just me?

I am too. I had no wishes or hopes to see the League again, but because they could be in it makes me think theres a compelling reason behind it and its peaked my curiosity.

 

[8Diagrams(WU)]

I think the return of the league is super cool, but I also think that even though this movie is the end of the batman begins story-arc trilogy, this movie could also setup a future storyline.

 

[Travesty]

I think the return of the league is super cool, but I also think that even though this movie is the end of the batman begins story-arc trilogy, this movie could also setup a future storyline.

After this movie, I hope to god that the Nolan-verse Batman is done. I want a new director to bring a new vision, and new stories.

I want to see a movie with Two-Face being the main villain. I liked Two-Face in TDK, but he's dead, and was barely used. I want an entire movie with him in it.

 

[Yurka]

After this movie, I hope to god that the Nolan-verse Batman is done. I want a new director to bring a new vision, and new stories.

I want to see a movie with Two-Face being the main villain. I liked Two-Face in TDK, but he's dead, and was barely used. I want an entire movie with him in it.

I want a Two-Face movie and a Freeze movie. A properly executed Mr. Freeze story has the potential to put DK and Spider-man 2 to shame.

 

[Bat-Mite]

Boring?

Okay, now I'm just confused. How are villains that no one had a problem with in Batman Begins' inclusion somehow boring? Because they've "been used before"? That's like saying bringing back Michael Caine as Alfred is a boring decision, or Morgan Freeman as Lucius Fox. If the script calls for further development of The League, like with those two characters, why not go with that? Why not try and up the ante with them and use them to raise the stakes for Batman? That's exciting, and a pretty well-endowed tradition of a sequel.

I swear, it's like people are so used to the same formula of every new superhero film having a new villain (which, going off of the summary, there would at least be three), that it seems like nothing can be revisited anymore. To me, it's not "lazy", it's not "boring", it's not even "disappointing" - it's still just as filled with potential as any other villain's inclusion.

Ra's al Ghul himself wasn't boring, but he's dead and his ninjas aren't exactly going to win any awards for best villains ever, are they?

I actually usually like the reusing of villains when they're interesting enough to warrant it. Harry Osborne was an interesting antagonist in the Spider-Man series until his potential was wasted in the third film (but that's a whole other story) and I liked Donner's use of Zod, Ursa, Non, and Luthor in his Superman movies, but those characters were all essential to the story, just as Alfred and Lucius are essential in Nolan's films. Magneto was also great in the X-Men films. However, there's really nothing essential about the LOS that requires a future appearance from them. Their leader was killed and their plans were ruined and it can end with that and EASILY give a satisfactory trilogy without revisiting them.

As for upping the ante, Bane, Catwoman, and Gotham's police force actively pursuing Batman (as opposed to working with him behind closed doors) are more than enough for that already. There's plenty of interesting story there --- easily enough for a three hour movie --- without the tacked on, "I am out for revenge!" Talia and her ninja buddies adding to it. We've seen Batman fighting the ninjas and it was nice for one movie, but I'd prefer to see something different, something that isn't concerned with "coming full circle" and "closing the loop" and other such cliche nonsense that requires little imagination. A new batmobile and the return to Wayne Manor and the Batcave are more than enough to say that the series has come full circle.

 

[Travesty]

I want a Two-Face movie and a Freeze movie. A properly executed Mr. Freeze story has the potential to put DK and Spider-man 2 to shame.

I didn't even think of Freeze. Yeah, I actually rather see a new Bat-flick with Freeze.

Good call

 

[Anita18]

Glad to see in 40+ pages the conversation has remained exactly the same.

It is indeed good that you mentioned it, so I don't need spend time reading the last 40+ pages.