The Dark Knight The-Dark-Knight's Joker-Observation-What's the Twist?

[BrollySupersj]

Damn, I missed it too!

REPOST!

 

[EagleVision]

Hey, restore the pic, so I can see what you're talkin' about.

 

[Booznian]

I uploaded the sheet with Photobucket it should be visible now..?

 

[turtlefocker]

Excellent Observations

It seems that you have put a lot of thought into it.

 

[I-T-B]

Ok, I realize that first set picture is blurry, but the shirt doesn't look the same as the one in the bank robbery picture, there's none of the same pattern, or at least it looks that way. How do we know that the Joker isn't the one in purple in the back of the bank robbery one, setting the sides, well, aside? Did they say so when the picture was released?

 

[Luchastyle]

i noticed all of these things as well, i think it's an interesting discussion. there has always been a theory about that he gets more and more scary looking as the film goes on. this kind of makes sense, as purpose he gets more and more crazy, maybe from some sort of accident which gives him the ironic permanent smile. i always thought that in the original spy pic his skin looked flesh-toned but didn't look normal. so maybe he does have white skin and puts flesh make-up on so that he can go through the heist, posing as one of his own goons. these are interesting arguments, but unfortunately it will be some time before we know, at the very least we won't know until a trailer comes out. perhaps something will be revealed in it. but it's a cool thread nonetheless

 

[Booznian]

Ok, I realize that first set picture is blurry, but the shirt doesn't look the same as the one in the bank robbery picture, there's none of the same pattern, or at least it looks that way. How do we know that the Joker isn't the one in purple in the back of the bank robbery one, setting the sides, well, aside? Did they say so when the picture was released?

It got pixelated when I saved the file, I'm not to sure, because it could also be the guy pointing the gun. Anyone know if it was confirmed that Joker was the guy the photo was being taken of, or the one pointing the gun?

 

[I-T-B]

It got pixelated when I saved the file, I'm not to sure, because it could also be the guy pointing the gun. Anyone know if it was confirmed that Joker was the guy the photo was being taken of, or the one pointing the gun?

Well, I've seen the picture before, and even then I've never seen the lines on the shirt. I don't think it's because of blur, either, because other details are blurry, but there. And the way the light hit's his shoulders in the spy pic is more closely matched by the rear guy in the I-Max pic, rather than the grumpy clown. Do we know that the Joker is "Grumpy" in the sides?

 

[Dvhyzs]

Well, I've seen the picture before, and even then I've never seen the lines on the shirt. I don't think it's because of blur, either, because other details are blurry, but there. And the way the light hit's his shoulders in the spy pic is more closely matched by the rear guy in the I-Max pic, rather than the grumpy clown. Do we know that the Joker is "Grumpy" in the sides?

Yep, I think so.

 

[Hellrider]

Very interesting. There's definitely something to this joker. Seems like alot of changes, or maybe just some smoke and mirrors by the joker to throw people off, and confuse them.

 

[EagleVision]

After all this debate about the Joker applying makeup, and the Joker's skin actually being bleached, I think I can safely say the the Joker goes through some stages throughout the film according to the pictures. I made this observation sheet just so you guys could see what I'm trying to say here. Hope this thread isn't considered useless, hope you guys could agree what I'm trying to say.

I see what u mean now. Interesting.

Joker may have self inflicted wounds to make him appear to have a bigger smile and tried to split the sides of his lips. Not too much of a stretch to imagine, it would make sense.

As for the skin, I'm reminded of Michael Jackson and his cover up appearance with his sickness, Vitiligo. Maybe they'll show him in the beginning falling into the vat and as the film progresses, he attempts to make cover ups with makeup because his skin color is deteriorating and bleaching white. And as he continues with his crimes he comes up with a gimmick and attempts to split the lips in a psychotic episode because the chemicals are beginning to take over his sanity. It's a loose & longshot kind of theory but it is somewhat plausible.

 

[nickyg641]

Well, I've seen the picture before, and even then I've never seen the lines on the shirt. I don't think it's because of blur, either, because other details are blurry, but there. And the way the light hit's his shoulders in the spy pic is more closely matched by the rear guy in the I-Max pic, rather than the grumpy clown. Do we know that the Joker is "Grumpy" in the sides?

We know that it is indeed Heath in the "Grumpy" mask/outfit:

And it looks like the same shirt in the original pictake image. Just, since it's taken from very far away (like on the tenth floor of a building, just zoomed in a bunch) it's harder to see the detail like design.

 

[thedude007007]

some of you are confused about all the different looks of the joker....well back to the realistic style of Nolan, maybe that's intentional.

maybe the joker doesn't feel like applying the same makeup, or in the same fashion every time. maybe he likes to mix it up a la dennis rodman. just a thought.

 

[gwynplaine]

Do we know for sure that purple suit/green vest is Heath (Bottom right picture) ?

 

[Brendan]

I see in the mask pic, hair doesn't appear green at all. In the rachel pic, his hair is green but has brown roots and ends, but in the spy pic, his hair looks completely green.

Small continuity error maybe?

 

[Mr. Socko]

We know that it is indeed Heath in the "Grumpy" mask/outfit:

And it looks like the same shirt in the original pictake image. Just, since it's taken from very far away (like on the tenth floor of a building, just zoomed in a bunch) it's harder to see the detail like design.

Ah! Anyone know when this scene takes place? Beginning of the movie?

I thought Heath would start out as the Joker.

 

[nickyg641]

some of you are confused about all the different looks of the joker....well back to the realistic style of Nolan, maybe that's intentional.

maybe the joker doesn't feel like applying the same makeup, or in the same fashion every time. maybe he likes to mix it up a la dennis rodman. just a thought.

But, see, the thing is, he does seem to mix it up. Several times in a single scene.

He goes from all white with no "panda eyes" and full green hair, to no white and brown hair, to white with all green hair and panda eyes.

Now, we've seen the bank robbery pic (one with henchman pointing gun at a normal-looking Joker). Are we to assume that, in the time between entering the bank, and his conversation with the ill-fated Bank Manager, he both paints his face AND dyes his hair green? I'm sorry, I just find it a lot easier to believe that he REMOVES the flesh colored makeup and dye from his white skin and green hair than than adds it within that interval. Anyone see what I'm saying?

 

[gwynplaine]

If we see Heath's real face (which is always a good possibility with an expensive academy award nominated actor), I guess it means origin. And since he's already supposed to be the Joker at the end of BB, maybe flashback. My head hurts.

 

[Juanigi]

he's already the joker under the clown mask, they just didn't bother with makeup since the relevant areas are covered up

 

[Master_Prophet]

Great thread...

First of all, I've always thought that the Joker will go through a huge transformation throughout the film. Perhaps he's not The Joker as we all know and love at the beginning of the film. But just a bank robbing psycho and takes on the persona of a clown further from just wearing a mask. Remember at the end of Begins what Gordon says, "If your wearing a mask and jumping off rooftops..." something to taht affect (don't remember the exact wording), but that leads me to believe that at the beginning of the film, The Joker is normal looking and just wears a mask. I believe that sometime during the film, he gets these scars, either on one side and finishes them on the other (which would be cool as hell), or on both sides. He then gets the idea for the make up, and either starts applying it himself, or something along that line. By the end of the movie, he gets into an accident scaring him and creating him to be a permanent clown. I dunno, I'm just throwing out ideas here.

 

[Master_Prophet]

he's already the joker under the clown mask, they just didn't bother with makeup since the relevant areas are covered up

After I wrote that I realized that I read somewhere that he takes off his mask in the Bank Robbery scene and scares the bank manager. So yeah, disregard my comments of Joker ever looking like a normal person.

 

[Juanigi]

fair enough

 

[Mr. Socko]

he's already the joker under the clown mask, they just didn't bother with makeup since the relevant areas are covered up

I can only assume he is suppose to be wearing flesh colored makeup in that scene, because even though it covers the relevant areas, it's still a very crappy job if his face is suppose to be white under there.

If you're watching in IMAX or even normal theaters you'll certainly be able to tell he's not bleached white under that mask. Hell, all we've gotten was one picture and we can tell that. There's only 3 possible explanations.

Bank Scene:

1. is before Joker is bleached
2. Joker is suppose to be wearing flesh colored makeup under that mask
3. Joker applies makeup in the film but not in this scene because he's wearing a mask

 

[gwynplaine]

I'm sorry I must have missed it but how do we know for sure that he is the Joker throughout the movie ?

 

[Juanigi]

I can only assume he is suppose to be wearing flesh colored makeup in that scene, because even though it covers the relevant areas, it's still a very crappy job if his face is suppose to be white under there.

If you're watching in IMAX or even normal theaters you'll certainly be able to tell he's not bleached white under that mask. Hell, all we've gotten was one picture and we can tell that. There's only 3 possible explanations.

Bank Scene:

1. is before Joker is bleached
2. Joker is suppose to be wearing flesh colored makeup under that mask
3. Joker applies makeup in the film but not in this scene because he's wearing a mask

he has the black eye makeup in that fuzzy imax photo that seems to be part of the same scene, so who knows

maybe he's wearing pink panda eyes