Dark Phoenix $ The DARK PHOENIX Box Office Speculation ThreaD $

[Detective Conan]

Even if Fox never bought Disney its clear now that X-Men would've been in a way worse position then they are now had they not been bought by the Mouse. Fox would suffer for the huge loss and put the main X-Men films on hiatus and focus solely on spinoffs for a while before they do a complete reboot with a new cast. So regardless of whether or not the Disney purchase had happened the X-Men would be rebooted.

 

[Detective Conan]

I think it'll be very low in America but very strong Internationally.

We'll see but the China numbers(remember China is the second largest market for movies after the USA) seem to be below Apocalypse. Internationally I don't think it will do "very well" -- it might do just okay and studios make less out on the international gross than they do the domestic so they can't really rely too much of the international numbers. The movie needs to do well domestically in order to churn out a decent profit. We see movies do well internationally but fail because they massively underprefomed domestically.

 

[EnDz0n3]

When your live-action franchise film (with few exceptions) is doing middling numbers in the Middle Kingdom, you’re in trouble.

That $38Mil 3-day China opening (a fraction of Apocalypse’s $60Mil Chinese opening) will be replicated in other overseas market. Most, if not all markets will see Apocalypse’s previous numbers slashed down for DPh.

 

[sleekstereo]

Even if Fox never bought Disney its clear now that X-Men would've been in a way worse position then they are now had they not been bought by the Mouse. Fox would suffer for the huge lass and put the main X-Men films on hiatus and focus on spinoffs for awhile before they do a complete reboot with a new class. So regardless of whether or not the Disney purchase happened the X-Men would be rebooted.

Agreed. It would have been rebooted with or without Disney. No way Fox would have moved forward with this team.

 

[TheNewSlayer]

Agreed. It would have been rebooted with or without Disney. No way Fox would have moved forward with this team.

I think the problem is not the actors. So no need for a reboot. The problem is the people making the movie like the writers and directors. Simon Kingberg and Brian Singer needs to stay away from the x-men.

 

[Detective Conan]

I think the problem is not the actors. So no need for a reboot. The problem is the people making the movie like the writers and directors. Simon Kingberg and Brian Singer needs to stay away from the x-men.

The actors are fine but unfortunately they're tainted by this too and its very unlikely that Marvel when they reboot the franchise or even in the scenario in which Fox was never bought out would keep these actors after the colossal failure this is looking to be. This actually might be the first movie of the franchise to be an outright flop. Apocalypse under-preformed but it didn't bomb and made profit. Even Last Stand and Origins made bank and this movie is being reviewed/received worse than either of them.

 

[Detective Conan]

I think the problem is not the actors. So no need for a reboot. The problem is the people making the movie like the writers and directors. Simon Kingberg and Brian Singer needs to stay away from the x-men.

The actors are fine but unfortunately they're tainted by this too and its very unlikely that Marvel when they reboot the franchise or even in the scenario in which Fox was never bought out would keep these actors after the colossal failure this is looking to be. This actually might be the first movie of the franchise to be an outright flop. Apocalypse under-preformed but it didn't bomb and made profit. Even Last Stand and Origins made bank and this movie is being reviewed/received worse than either of them.

 

[EnDz0n3]

These actors are now tainted with the stink of this movie, not unlike Garfield and Stone and DeHaan, et al from TASM2. If Fox was still around and this happened, if they don’t outright reboot, they might just do the aforementioned X-Force/Kitty/Gambit (HA!)/Multiple Man films and then do a film with some of this cast in a few years (just enough so they can hold on to the rights). Probably without Fassy, and Hoult, and McAvoy, and Turner.

 

[TheNewSlayer]

The actors are fine but unfortunately they're tainted by this too and its very unlikely that Marvel when they reboot the franchise or even in the scenario in which Fox was never bought out would keep these actors after the colossal failure this is looking to be. This actually might be the first movie of the franchise to be an outright flop. Apocalypse under-preformed but it didn't bomb and made profit. Even Last Stand and Origins made bank and this movie is being reviewed/received worse than either of them.

I think that fault of this failure is Simon Kingberg. That X-Women clip on youtube got thousands os dislike, I don't get how they thought that was going to be a good idea. He just gave in into the pressure of pushing the feminism agenda and did it all wrong. I'd be willing to bet good money that some people who reviewed the movie when watched that scene decided to give a bad score for the movie in right that moment. Most of the people who review are men and yet Simon does something to insult men. Of course that'd have consequences.

Anyway, I don't think that the actors are tainted just yet. Despise of the general displease of Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix movies, a lot of people talked very well about the performance of the actors playing Cyclops, Phoenix, Storm, Nightcrawler, Beast, Magneto.

 

[Detective Conan]

I think that fault of this failure is Simon Kingberg. That X-Women clip on youtube got thousands os dislike, I don't get how they thought that was going to be a good idea. He just gave in into the pressure of pushing the feminism agenda and did it all wrong. I'd be willing to bet good money that some people who reviewed the movie when watched that scene decided to give a bad score for the movie in right that moment. Most of the people who review are men and yet Simon does something to insult men. Of course that'd have consequences.

Fox should also take the share of blame since they made the mistake of hiring him in the first place. They should've known that hiring a first-time director to helm a 100+ million project could lead to disastrous results. But Fox doesn't even exist anymore, at least not in the state it was when it first signed on Kinberg to write and direct so its kind of a moot point now.

Anyway, I don't think that the actors are tainted just yet. Despise of the general displease of Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix movies, a lot of people talked very well about the performance of the actors playing Cyclops, Phoenix, Storm, Nightcrawler, Beast, Magneto.

No. The actors are tainted, it doesn't matter how good they are this film will be the last time any of them ever play these roles. Marvel isn't going to keep this cast that's synonymous with an old version of a franchise that's last movie was a critical and commercial dud that they want nothing to do with at all. Especially if Marvel has a different vision for the mutants that will require new casting to match it.

 

[Kon]

I think that fault of this failure is Simon Kingberg. That X-Women clip on youtube got thousands os dislike, I don't get how they thought that was going to be a good idea. He just gave in into the pressure of pushing the feminism agenda and did it all wrong. I'd be willing to bet good money that some people who reviewed the movie when watched that scene decided to give a bad score for the movie in right that moment. Most of the people who review are men and yet Simon does something to insult men. Of course that'd have consequences.

Anyway, I don't think that the actors are tainted just yet. Despise of the general displease of Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix movies, a lot of people talked very well about the performance of the actors playing Cyclops, Phoenix, Storm, Nightcrawler, Beast, Magneto.

The reviews usually don't matter for OW. I mean "Batman V Superman" still has big OW. However, reviews can affect the legs.

Honestly, I really doubt the commentary about X-Women is what affects the reception of this film. I mean "pushing" a feminism agenda doesn't affect other movies.


Regarding the actors, they will be affected for the reception of these movies. Even if there are people who likes them, that doesn't mean many of these people wouldn't accept a change of actors.

 

[Blade Hoarder]

That X-Women clip on youtube got thousands os dislike, I don't get how they thought that was going to be a good idea. He just gave in into the pressure of pushing the feminism agenda and did it all wrong. I'd be willing to bet good money that some people who reviewed the movie when watched that scene decided to give a bad score for the movie in right that moment. Most of the people who review are men and yet Simon does something to insult men. Of course that'd have consequences

Captain Marvel made a billion while being unshy about feminism. The anti-feminist weirdos are too small in number to matter.

This movie would've crashed and burned even if that clip was never released. Nobody cares about this movie.

 

[kguillou]

Even if the movie got good reviews and a good box office, Feige was going to reboot the Xmen. There is no scenario where the Xmen werent going to get a complete total overhaul into the MCU. Deadpool is a unique beast because his movies are mega successful and there would be anarchy if Ryan Reynolds was recast. Plus Deadpool exists in his own meta realm anyway so it all works out to keep him and continue. But even if critics and audiences loved Dark Phoenix this was always going to be the last FoXmen movie. Feige will want to do the Xmen his way without pre-existing baggage.

 

[Sage2016]

Part of me thinks, it all went down like this so they have an excuse to shelve New Mutants without doing the reshoots.

 

[Blade Hoarder]

What? You think Disney engineered this box office?

 

[samsnee]

Why not? They already pay off critics

 

[psylockolussus]

My God. I'm really dreading the possibility of a X-Men film not grossing more than 100 million in North America alone. Good God. I watched it a few hours ago and it was 1/3 full. And I was so eXhausted watching it (bored and yawning) that I went straight to sleeping when I went home.

 

[Dark Raven]

I wonder if it was Kinberg's idea to drop the "X-Men" title from the film and simply call it "Dark Phoenix". Maybe he thought it was going to be like the Dark Knight and that since that film didn't have Batman in the title but fans still responded positively to that, then maybe lightning would also strike for him.

Perhaps he even thought he was going to be making the Dark Knight of X-Men movies.

But then on the opening evening when the film opened to poor reviews and box office totals, Kinberg probably thought: "Damn... this is a dark night."

 

[samsnee]

The answer is obviously comic book movie fatigue.

 

[Silver Surfer]

This train-wreck won't even reach a 100m domestic, who's genius idea was to release this movie in theaters? Should have sent it to Hulu.

 

[sleekstereo]

This is brand damaging.

Marvel Entertainment and Marvel Studios now are tasked to pull their once TOP characters and universe out the brink of disaster.

Thanks Fox and Kinberg.

 

[I Am The Knight]

"China will save this."
"$500 million worldwide."

 

[psylockolussus]

Both aren't happening.

 

[kguillou]

X-Men will be fine. As the old saying goes, "Absence makes the heart grow fonder." X-Men is going to have to go on a long hiatus, is all. While that notion sucks for people like us who love the X-Men, its necessary so that when they do announce a new X-Men reboot in 2027 the world will be ready to see them back and it will be a big event. Until then, they can focus on the Fantastic Four in the nearer future.

 

[Karl Tanner]

I predict less than 89 million in USA, less than 289 million worldwide. In the end it's gonna cost money to Fox/Disney.