Apocalypse THE EVAN PETERS / QUICKSILVER LOUNGE - "Take it slow, Peter"

[TeeKay]

Wow.Did you really have to be condescending in your posts?We're done here. Yeesh.

 

[Mulholland-Jr]

Oh, look who's talking.

 

[Flint Marko]

I read your post.
"He was so fast he could essentially freeze time"

It's still a stupid complaint.

I like how you don't even try to offer a decent rebuttal.
It's not a stupid complaint at all, but feel free to close your ears to any and all criticisms.

They didn't use him during the rest of the film because the character's use to begin with was a cameo. He replaced Juggernaut's cameo in the script.

Which is not a good in-movie explanation for leaving the character. His abrupt, unceremonious exit doesn't make much sense when you consider how useful he'd be for the rest of the film.

You're right. I missed the entire point of the film. He was a walking deus ex machina. That's what is being discussed here. Like I said, I liked his character and his scene but yeah the complaint about him not being useful for the rest of the film is a valid one.

Having a larger role in Apocalypse doesn't mean jack to me. I was just chipping in my 2 cents on how the character was utilized in DofP.

I think the biggest problem with speedsters is that it's difficult to portray their powers properly. Either you end up making them so fast you get a "well why didn't the whole movie just end with them doing _____" or you make them too slow that viewers just kind of feel underwhelmed. You have to have a balance.

Not only that, but you failed at watching the movie.



Kitty could have sent Logan back to the 60s and prevent the climaxes of both FC and DOFP.

Xavier could have shut down her mind.

Magneto could have killed everyone in that terminal.

Beast could have let Magneto kill her in France or done it himself.


So what? As we all know, the character was swapped from Juggernaut. Which just shows how interchangeable the role is and how irrelevant the role was to overall story. Point is, they got Magneto out of prison. End of purpose in story.



And that is why you fail at movies.



If his OP was the reason for being written out of the last act (ignoring the fact that they could have just written him out of the film completely) then why would they give him an even larger role in the sequel? For ****'s sake. Read what you write.

Lol.
Watch out guys, don't criticize DOFP in even the slightest of ways, or else you "fail at movies".

 

[JP]

How would he have been useful, though? As far as everyone knew, they were going to Paris to talk to Mystique.

The goal, even after the events of Paris, was never to stop Raven physically. If they didn't swap out Juggernaut with Peter, no one would have said anything when Juggernaut exited the film...

 

[Flint Marko]

How would he have been useful, though? As far as everyone knew, they were going to Paris to talk to Mystique.

The goal, even after the events of Paris, was never to stop Raven physically. If they didn't swap out Juggernaut with Peter, no one would have said anything when Juggernaut exited the film...

That's because the juggernaut isn't over-powered. He can't essentially freeze time to do whatever he wants in the blink of an eye.

 

[Majik1387]

I like how you don't even try to offer a decent rebuttal.
It's not a stupid complaint at all, but feel free to close your ears to any and all criticisms.

He wasn't overpowered at all. I feel like you guys really don't read comics...

He was overpowered in the context of the film. He literally could have solved everything by himself in less then a few seconds.

No, he couldn't.

He could never make the same sort of statement that had to be made between Magneto, Mystique, and Xavier; This is what a lot of you are forgetting.

And again, Quicksilver is a teenage kid in the film. He barely knows Xavier, Beast, Wolvy and he just unknowingly met his dad within days. He wouldn't know what to do, who he should listen to when everyone gets into their own thing, and Xavier and Charles learned from experience to not include inexperienced youngsters when they could get the job done themselves; they'd rather he stay back than him end up like Angel and Banshee.
And while they still had their different ideals, Xavier, Wolvy and Charles never thought Erik would have gone rogue regarding Mystique, so they didn't think they'd need someone to make sure he couldn't escape, and if Peter was there, Erik still would have tried to kill Mystique and he wouldn't have been able to do anything, considering all the metal around the room.

So no, he wasn't overpowered. He couldn't do everything by himself.

You're not thinking of mentalities.

To get Erik, yes, they needed someone; Wolvy suggested Peter. It was supposed to be an easy in and out; not the same sort of mission when dealing with Mystique.

They felt they were all on the same page of making sure the assassination didn't happen; Erik wasn't obviously.

And if Peter was in that room, no matter what he may have tried to move around, Magneto would have just ended up controlling everything anyway. These weren't plastic bullets this time around like in the Pentagon, where Peter had the upper hand.

Really wish this dumbass complaint would stay dead when it was made over a year ago by the same handful of posters.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Oh jesus.those posters which hate X-Men films digging up the old Quicksilver was too powerful comment

 

[TeeKay]

Lol.
Watch out guys, don't criticize DOFP in even the slightest of ways, or else you "fail at movies".

Seriously this is why I avoid the X:Men forums. Like I was just contributing to the QS discussion and I was told I "fail at movies". A proper discussion can not be had without people resorting to condescending posts.

Oh jesus.those posters which hate X-Men films digging up the old Quicksilver was too powerful comment

You got that from what was being discussed?Yep keep on making them generalizations.

 

[GuestStar2004]

There are 2 ways of looking at it i guess

1. The script was already written and they just changed juggernauts role to quicksilvers so there was no role for juggernaut beyond that point so why would there be quicksilver?

2. As kinberg said mystique had to be saved on an emotional level so while yeah you would imagine xavier would have brought quicksilver anyway i think what kinberg said makes a certain amount of sense since even if quicksilver stopped mystique she still wouldn't have stopped trying to kill trask, she would likely have played along and then double crossed them at some point and with xavier still in a bad place where he was trying to control her into stopping that wasn't gonna help either, he was pretty much the only one who could stop her

And personally i do think quicksilver may be a little over powered but i don't think thats suddenly gonna change in apocalypse since his action sequence really stood out in DOFP because of it so i don't see them changing that, they will probably find a way to challenge him

 

[Flint Marko]

Really wish this dumbass complaint would stay dead when it was made over a year ago by the same handful of posters.

There are 2 ways of looking at it i guess

1. The script was already written and they just changed juggernauts role to quicksilvers so there was no role for juggernaut beyond that point so why would there be quicksilver?

2. As kinberg said mystique had to be saved on an emotional level so while yeah you would imagine xavier would have brought quicksilver anyway i think what kinberg said makes a certain amount of sense since even if quicksilver stopped mystique she still wouldn't have stopped trying to kill trask, she would likely have played along and then double crossed them at some point and with xavier still in a bad place where he was trying to control her into stopping that wasn't gonna help either, he was pretty much the only one who could stop her

And personally i do think quicksilver may be a little over powered but i don't think thats suddenly gonna change in apocalypse since his action sequence really stood out in DOFP because of it so i don't see them changing that, they will probably find a way to challenge him

So what was Xavier's plan at Paris? If I remember correctly, it was "break into the high-security building where Mystique was undercover in Paris to try and intercept her from killing Trask".
That's a terrible plan to begin with, namely because she is obviously undercover and moments away from her objective. They wanted to just walk in and have a quick chit chat with her even though she's right in the heart of things? I'm not buying the "we have to save her on an emotional level", because doing so would involve them breaking into a government building and causing a giant scene in front of a lot of people, Trask included, just to have a conversation with her. That's not a satisfying or sensible solution. It'd be much easier and safer to use the the super powered mutant you just used to break into a high-security building who can do pretty much anything in the blink of an eye to stop her from doing whatever she's about to do, and then have the conversation with Mystique to show her the error of her ways afterwards. Not directly before she's about to kill someone in front of dozens of high-powered government officials who are actively trying to eradicate all mutants.
The real reason that this isn't as clearly explained as some of you would like to think is the fact that they replaced Juggernaut with Quicksilver at the last minute. That's fine, I've expressed before how much I enjoy this movie, and pointing conveniences out like this isn't a big deal. I see no reason to get so uptight over such a minor criticism. I've also been pretty critical of the Avengers when all of the aliens go tumbling on the ground after the ship collapses, or the Thor hot-tub scene from the second one, but I still enjoy both of those movies. No one seems to jump down my throat whenever I make those observations.

 

[TeeKay]

Welcome to the X-men boards.




So what was Xavier's plan at Paris to begin with? If I remember correctly, it was "break into the high-security building where Mystique was undercover in Paris to try and intercept her from killing Trask".
That's a terrible plan to begin with, namely because she is obviously undercover and moments away from her objective.They wanted to just walk in and have a quick chit chat with her even though she's right in the heart of things? It'd be much easier and safer to use the the super powered mutant you just used to break into a high-security building who can do pretty much anything in the blink of an eye.
The real reason that this isn't as clearly explained as some of you would like to think is the fact that they replaced Juggernaut with Quicksilver at the last minute. That's fine, I've expressed before how much I enjoy this movie, and pointing conveniences out like this isn't a big deal. I see no reason to get so uptight over such a minor criticism. I've also been pretty critical of the Avengers when all of the aliens go tumbling on the ground after the ship collapses, or the Thor hot-tub scene from the second one, but I still enjoy both of those movies. No one seems to jump down my throat whenever I make those observations.

Seriously this is how it would have looked from Logans/Charles/Magnetos POV.
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To simply say he wasn't OP is being dishonest. DofP is riddled with Amateur writing that boarderlines on "just because" reasoning. The QS is only the tip of the ice berg of the films problems.

I only started realizing these problems when I sat down and started writing down an in depth analysis on the film (As I do with all CBMs).

 

[kasjan]

If Magneto can move bullets (near Cuba, in Dallas,...) then definitely his son who is younger and faster can do this too

 

[Mulholland-Jr]

Lol.
Watch out guys, don't criticize DOFP in even the slightest of ways, or else you "fail at movies".

Oh, shut up will ya? All you do is point out things you hate about the movies. Infraction worth it.

 

[Flint Marko]

Seriously this is how it would have looked from Logans/Charles/Magnetos POV.
[Yt]w0obSpvhg9k[/MEDIA]

To simply say he wasn't OP is being dishonest. DofP is riddled with Amateur writing that boarderlines on "just because" reasoning. The QS is only the tip of the ice berg of the films problems.

I only started realizing these problems when I sat down and started writing down an in depth analysis on the film (As I do with all CBMs).

What do you write these in depth analysis' for, if you don't mind me asking?
A website or for a forum/blog post? Just curious.

 

[TeeKay]

What do you write these in depth analysis' for, if you don't mind me asking?
A website or for a forum/blog post? Just curious.

Its a hobby man. I'm a film fanatic and a I love superhero films. I just put on any CBM and analyze scene by scene, character arcs, foreshadowing, clever things, etc. I used to write for CBM.com but not anymore. Right now I'm refining my Avengers in depth review/analysis. I've done ones for IM3, MoS, Thor: The Dark World, X-2, SM2, TDK, TDKR to name a few. The Avengers one is one I really treasure because it made me appreciate the film so much more.

 

[psylockolussus]

I cannot wait to see Quicksilver again in a X-Men movie!

Do you guys think he'll appear in a third X-Men film after this?

 

[Kermit_The_Frog]

Hopefully. I'd be down for it.

 

[GuestStar2004]

I think they probably will

 

[kasjan]

They'll kill him off out of screen, like Emma and Banshee...

 

[Majik1387]

Nah, they won't kill off such a fan favorite off screen. If he dies, it'll be onscreen.

 

[psylockolussus]

They'll kill him off out of screen, like Emma and Banshee...

Well he's appearing in his 2nd X-Men movie with the actor who originally played him so I doubt that.

 

[GuestStar2004]

I can see them touch it more on the father/son dynamic in another sequel tbh

As for Scarlett witch... Since marvel are using her I can see why the thought of bringing her in doesn't quite have that new factor so we will have to see whether fox ever use her

 

[X-Maniac]

I can see why some might think Quicksilver was overpowered.

The filmmakers could have prevented this criticism somewhat by giving a neat reason for his not going to Paris. For instance, it's illegal to take minors out of state. And it's pretty clear from the movie he was already in trouble with the law because his mother asks what he has done this time when Charles, Erik and Hank turn up at the door.

He should, ideally, have been at some sort of orphanage for troubled kids (run by a loose adaptation of Madame Bova). Some sort of urgency in making sure he got home before anyone noticed, and a line about not being able to take him out of state, would have negated some of this nitpicking.

But GuestStar2004 is also right in that having QS stop Mystique in Paris would not have necessarily halted her determination to carry out the assassination at some point. We did indeed see she went on to have another go at it later, in Washington. The idea was to reach her on an emotional level and get her to drop the idea altogether - which is what older Xavier said at the start of the movie and what ultimately happened at the climax of the movie.

 

[Avalanche]

But GuestStar2004 is also right in that having QS stop Mystique in Paris would not have necessarily halted her determination to carry out the assassination at some point. We did indeed see she went on to have another go at it later, in Washington. The idea was to reach her on an emotional level and get her to drop the idea altogether - which is what older Xavier said at the start of the movie and what ultimately happened at the climax of the movie.

Or Quicksilver could have gone in, taken her out in a flash, and they could have imprisoned her, preventing her from killing anyone.

Why they were entrusting gentle reasoning with the fate of the entire world I don't know, but that was the plot I suppose!

 

[SuperT]

The point of them reasoning with Mystique instead of just capturing and imprisoning her is that they couldn't just keep her couped up forever. She's Mystique - she's going to get out and continue on with her quest at some point or another.

They had to let her make the decision not to kill for herself while trying to appeal to her emotionally. Of course, Professor X could have just mind wiped her but than that goes against everything he was suppose to learn about himself in the movie so.