The Expendables 2

[bullets]

Norris is a hypocrite. He doesn't want anyone cursing but shooting people is acceptable

 

[Punisher Rising]

They going to cut Chuck Norris out?

No, just release it R-rated with the swearing and violence/gore all intact.

 

[Marvolo]

Also lets not forget that Stallone fought for the first one to maintain the R rating. He got what he wanted and the film was a success. It showed that there is a market for good R rated action films. And he turns around and does this. I don't care if it was for Norris it was a cop out and a stupid thing to do. This film could have further proved R action films are a safe investment but now we won't know anything of the sort and this film gets to be generic. Yay, just what we needed. At least 10 year old Jimmy can watch Norris fight vulgarity and evil doers. Now that I think about it Norris is cheesy as hell normally so that isn't gonna help either.

Lol i hope they end up releasing this with all the vulgarity and violence intact and as an R. Norris will throw a **** fit.

 

[Bruce Malone]

After the reaction to live free and die hard why would they go this route? It's really dumb i'm sure they'd love to go after the teen/tween demo but the average age of this film's cast is about 60, nobody under 18 is gonna care much about this film.

Norris is a known christian conservative so there should have been suspicions that his involvement might affect the films content but still not worth it. I wonder if he requested christian messages to be sprinkled throughout the film too?

What exactly is this films a tribute to now? not 80's action films for sure.

Norris is a hypocrite. He doesn't want anyone cursing but shooting people is acceptable

You can show heads being shot, but if even a nipple peaks through...

 

[dude stannis]

I hope they all get absolutely shat on at Comic Con. Loud, audible boos, so they can walk away in shame.

 

[Punisher Rising]

I think it's silly Norris is letting his views interfere with the content of the movie. It's like he can't even seperate real-life from fiction. Hopefully Stallone fights to keep it R-rated. If this means no Norris for EX3 I'm fine with it, there's other Action stars they can get for a third movie who won't mess it up like this.

 

[dark_b]

PG13 wouldnt be a problem if Arnold and Bruce wouldnt have more lines. this is where i am sad. i hoped to see some oldschool curses from Arnold and Bruce. we all knwo that Bruce will not curse in the new Die Hard movie.

i think its fascinating how some SHH members from teh last 2 pages dont understand why some loved Expendables.

 

[Punisher Rising]

I liked the first one a lot for what it was, a throwback to old-school 80s Action movies. It wasn't perfect but it delivered the goods.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

By the way, I think the Chuck Norris stuff is an excuse. Chances are the studio wants a PG-13 rating and this is the easy way to pass the blame.

 

[henry_9305]

Damn, what a disappointing news. I really hope they reconsider about this.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I liked the first one a lot for what it was, a throwback to old-school 80s Action movies. It wasn't perfect but it delivered the goods.

People say this, but what I don't get is why people ignore that some of those movies were quite good.

There was a clear intent to try and bring some of the raw emotion of First Blood, but the writing just wasn't good enough. Casting the guy from Dexter as a military leader was just the icing on the cake.

PG13 wouldnt be a problem if Arnold and Bruce wouldnt have more lines. this is where i am sad. i hoped to see some oldschool curses from Arnold and Bruce. we all knwo that Bruce will not curse in the new Die Hard movie.

i think its fascinating how some SHH members from teh last 2 pages dont understand why some loved Expendables.

It isn't a question of why people loved the Expendables. It is a question of artistic integrity. If Stallone fought so hard for the "R" rating for the first film, if it was integral for this film, you don't think he'd do the same?

After the reaction to live free and die hard why would they go this route? It's really dumb i'm sure they'd love to go after the teen/tween demo but the average age of this film's cast is about 60, nobody under 18 is gonna care much about this film.

Norris is a known christian conservative so there should have been suspicions that his involvement might affect the films content but still not worth it. I wonder if he requested christian messages to be sprinkled throughout the film too?

What exactly is this films a tribute to now? not 80's action films for sure.



You can show heads being shot, but if even a nipple peaks through...

2 things. First, Die Hard 4 made a lot more money the first Expendables. Secondly, Die Hard 4 was a much better film.

 

[Punisher Rising]

People say this, but what I don't get is why people ignore that some of those movies were quite good.

There was a clear intent to try and bring some of the raw emotion of First Blood, but the writing just wasn't good enough. Casting the guy from Dexter as a military leader was just the icing on the cake.

And a lot of those movies are also simple popcorn flicks to just kick back to and enjoy the onscreen carnage. Yes some of them were better-written than others, but others just strived to be pure entertainment and nothing more. And for me, the first Expendables accomplished that. Was it a masterpiece? No. But was it an entertaining, fun and overall satisfying movie for an Action fan like myself? Absolutely. The second was looking to be even better until this news. Something like The Expendables just isn't meant to be PG-13, you don't neuter it for a wider audience. We all saw how disatrous PG-13 proved for Alien Vs. Predator and RoboCop 3.

 

[Marvolo]

It isn't a question of why people loved the Expendables. It is a question of artistic integrity. If Stallone fought so hard for the "R" rating for the first film, if it was integral for this film, you don't think he'd do the same?



2 things. First, Die Hard 4 made a lot more money the first Expendables. Secondly, Die Hard 4 was a much better film.

First Die Hard had a built in audience and is a franchise. Expendables was not. Second Die Hard 4 barely even qualifies as a die hard film. It was completely neutered just like this film is going to be. You just don't seem to be getting the appeal expendables had to its fans or why we liked it. Those fans don't want a kid friendly PG-13 sequel. This is the issue. Not the plot. You keep bringing it up, but that can't be evaluated until the film is out. Right now the pressing issue is the rating. This film and films like it should be R. Not everything is for kids and I get sick of this mentality of pandering to kids and making everything ok for everyone. Kids get movies just for them and we adults would like films just for us. We want our R films. They've already ruined die hard I don't want this ruined too.

 

[Punisher Rising]

And the thing that annoys me about trying to neuter sequels in R-rated film series like Die Hard, RoboCop, etc. to market them to kids is that they not only disrespect the previous movies in their series but they also insult the intelligence of both adult and kid viewers. As a kid I watched films like Aliens, Terminator, Die Hard, etc. endlessly and I knew I was seeing something that though not intended for my age group was nonetheless awesome because they went all-out and didn't hold back.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

First Die Hard had a built in audience and is a franchise. Expendables was not. Second Die Hard 4 barely even qualifies as a die hard film. It was completely neutered just like this film is going to be. You just don't seem to be getting the appeal expendables had to its fans or why we liked it. Those fans don't want a kid friendly PG-13 sequel. This is the issue. Not the plot. You keep bringing it up, but that can't be evaluated until the film is out. Right now the pressing issue is the rating. This film and films like it should be R. Not everything is for kids and I get sick of this mentality of pandering to kids and making everything ok for everyone. Kids get movies just for them and we adults would like films just for us. We want our R films. They've already ruined die hard I don't want this ruined too.

And you are jumping to conclusions that PG-13 means neutered and not for adults.

And a lot of those movies are also simple popcorn flicks to just kick back to and enjoy the onscreen carnage. Yes some of them were better-written than others, but others just strived to be pure entertainment and nothing more. And for me, the first Expendables accomplished that. Was it a masterpiece? No. But was it an entertaining, fun and overall satisfying movie for an Action fan like myself? Absolutely. The second was looking to be even better until this news. Something like The Expendables just isn't meant to be PG-13, you don't neuter it for a wider audience. We all saw how disatrous PG-13 proved for Alien Vs. Predator and RoboCop 3.

Good movies are enjoyable. Why act having fun and making a good film is mutually exclusive?

Especially when the ones we remember and still watch are the good ones. T2, Running Man, First Blood, Die Hard, RoboCop. One does not watch T2 or Die Hard just because stuff blows up and people die. It is because they are entertaining at their roots, their scripts, editing and direction.

And the thing that annoys me about trying to neuter sequels in R-rated film series like Die Hard, RoboCop, etc. to market them to kids is that they not only disrespect the previous movies in their series but they also insult the intelligence of both adult and kid viewers. As a kid I watched films like Aliens, Terminator, Die Hard, etc. endlessly and I knew I was seeing something that though not intended for my age group was nonetheless awesome because they went all-out and didn't hold back.

And right there is the problem. These films aren't for adults, they are films for the young people of the 80s and early 90s to share with their own kids.

I didn't grow up watching RoboCop, T2 and Die Hard with my parents. I watched them with my brother on tape and on cable on the weekends. My father watched westerns and war movies and tried to get us to watch them. I had RoboCop and Terminator toys.

 

[Punisher Rising]

Good movies are enjoyable. Why act having fun and making a good film is mutually exclusive?

Especially when the ones we remember and still watch are the good ones. T2, Running Man, First Blood, Die Hard, RoboCop. One does not watch T2 or Die Hard just because stuff blows up and people die. It is because they are entertaining at their roots, their scripts, editing and direction.

Movies that are enjoyable and well-made can be one and the same in many ways. You have plenty of well-made and well-written Action movies like Die Hard, RoboCop, Terminator 1 and 2, etc. and you also have more brainless but still fun fare like Commando, Cobra, etc. I enjoy a wide variety of Action films, and not just for the violence. I watch them mainly to be entertained; if a movie entertains me, it's done it's job as far as I'm concerned.

And right there is the problem. These films aren't for adults, they are films for the young people of the 80s and early 90s to share with their own kids.

I didn't grow up watching RoboCop, T2 and Die Hard with my parents. I watched them with my brother on tape and on cable on the weekends. My father watched westerns and war movies and tried to get us to watch them. I had RoboCop and Terminator toys.

I didn't grow up watching them with my family either, I either caught them on cable or owned them on VHS, and watched them whenever I could. I owned RoboCop and Terminator toys too and still do, but even as a kid I thought it was dumb how RoboCop 3 was PG-13 and much tamer than the first two; and that installment of that series was toned down and aimed at a kid audience, and even as a kid I hated it for that.

 

[Terminator]

Look where all those Chuck Norris jokes has taken us.

smh

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I still watch Cobra and Commando, in passing on television, while I do stuff. Which pretty much sums them up for me.

How old where you when RoboCop 3 came out? Because if you are at the age where you can acknowledge that, well I am pretty sure you past the target market of the original films.

This isn't about adults, these films aren't about or really for adults. They never were. The 80s action films were the folk lore of the time, intended for the little ones. Adults didn't run into the backyard playing Rambo. That is why the characters and stories were so basic.

 

[Punisher Rising]

I was six when RoboCop 3 came out and caught it on TV about a year or two later, so I would've been maybe 7 or 8 when I saw it. I hated it then as a kid who'd seen the first two numerous times and wasn't phased by their violence, and it's even worse now as an adult to see how it ruined the character and destroyed what was good about the first two all in the name of making it more accessable for a PG-13 demographic.

I watch movies like Commando, Cobra, Die Hard, RoboCop, Terminator, etc. and give them the same attention I do. Why? Because they entertain me. Whether I'm watching a brainless time killer type of a movie like Commando or something better-made and perhaps more thoughtfully written like T2 or Die Hard, I get one thing out of all of them and that's entertainment. And entertainment is going to be something hard to get out of a sequel that's PG-13 in an R-rated property.

I'll still be seeing EX2 to give it a chance and be fair, but my anticipation for it has definitely hit the bricks at this news.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I was six when RoboCop 3 came out and caught it on TV about a year or two later, so I would've been maybe 7 or 8 when I saw it. I hated it then as a kid who'd seen the first two numerous times and wasn't phased by their violence, and it's even worse now as an adult to see how it ruined the character and destroyed what was good about the first two all in the name of making it more accessable for a PG-13 demographic.

I watch movies like Commando, Cobra, Die Hard, RoboCop, Terminator, etc. and give them the same attention I do. Why? Because they entertain me. Whether I'm watching a brainless time killer type of a movie like Commando or something better-made and perhaps more thoughtfully written like T2 or Die Hard, I get one thing out of all of them and that's entertainment. And entertainment is going to be something hard to get out of a sequel that's PG-13 in an R-rated property.

I'll still be seeing EX2 to give it a chance and be fair, but my anticipation for it has definitely hit the bricks at this news.

I don't want to come off like a jerk, but I honestly have trouble believing that at 7 or 8 any kid would be able to understand why you disliked RoboCop 3 beyond it not being like the others. Did you really see the PG-13 rating and understand that they changed the direction of the series? Unless of course someone told you, in which case we have a completely different argument.

Also I think they are simply making who these movies more assemble for which they are truly intended.

Does it really matter if we see Sly shoots a guy's arm off?

 

[TruerToTheCore]

This isn't about adults, these films aren't about or really for adults. They never were. The 80s action films were the folk lore of the time, intended for the little ones. Adults didn't run into the backyard playing Rambo. That is why the characters and stories were so basic.

Correct. I watched them, mostly on VHS, my parents didn't.

Well, on the PG-13 rating, I am not a "gorehound", but the idea of making an 80s-styled action movie with a PG-13 rating is absurd, just as making the A-Team movie R would have been.

Wasn't the appeal of the first movie to be a funny, ridiculous, violent, over-the-top movie with lots of "manly stuff"? Changing this makes the movie into something generic and betrays the whole concept.

So I see no purpose in watching this. Might as well rent "The Losers" or something like that (haven't seen it yet).

 

[Punisher Rising]

I don't want to come off like a jerk, but I honestly have trouble believing that at 7 or 8 any kid would be able to understand why you disliked RoboCop 3 beyond it not being like the others. Did you really see the PG-13 rating and understand that they changed the direction of the series? Unless of course someone told you, in which case we have a completely different argument.

Also I think they are simply making who these movies more assemble for which they are truly intended.

Does it really matter if we see Sly shoots a guy's arm off?

At that age I hated the movie, found it boring and it lacked what I loved about the first two movies.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Correct. I watched them, mostly on VHS, my parents didn't.

Well, on the PG-13 rating, I am not a "gorehound", but the idea of making an 80s-styled action movie with a PG-13 rating is absurd, just as making the A-Team movie R would have been.

Wasn't the appeal of the first movie to be a funny, ridiculous, violent, over-the-top movie with lots of "manly stuff"? Changing this makes the movie into something generic and betrays the whole concept.

So I see no purpose in watching this. Might as well rent "The Losers" or something like that (haven't seen it yet).

I have read that the first film could of easily been PG-13 with only a few small adjustment.

It isn't like these characters run around dropping F bombs as they shag woman with their gift on full display as they kill every thing insight.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Correct. I watched them, mostly on VHS, my parents didn't.

Well, on the PG-13 rating, I am not a "gorehound", but the idea of making an 80s-styled action movie with a PG-13 rating is absurd, just as making the A-Team movie R would have been.

Wasn't the appeal of the first movie to be a funny, ridiculous, violent, over-the-top movie with lots of "manly stuff"? Changing this makes the movie into something generic and betrays the whole concept.

So I see no purpose in watching this. Might as well rent "The Losers" or something like that (haven't seen it yet).

Couldnt agree more, I actually did watch these movies with my parents as a kid and we all loved them, as well as my two older brothers and still love most of them to this day, The Expendables brought a bit of that back for me and to see the sequel now have the same generic rating all action movies have these days honestly makes me wonder what the point in seeing it is.

At that age I hated the movie, found it boring and it lacked what I loved about the first two movies.

Agreed with everything you have said on this page, I was 10 when I saw Robocop 3 and hated it then for how watered down it was.

 

[Donut]

So Box Office wise if this fails. Then Chuck Norris gets the blame ?