The Expendables 3 - Part 1

[MadVillainy]

I really think it's over. Or rather, it'll come back but in a few years with a new generation. Now it's just getting sad, with men past their prime missing their glory days.

The thing is I dont even think it'll come back.
Action movies, or at least that could argued as action movies, used to be about Cowboys and Westerns. E ventually in the 80s they became about Muscular guys with big ass guns destroying everything. Now it's all about superheroes and genre films.

It's like how glam rock bands or boom bap rap music isn't arent insanely popular anymore. Times change.

And that's not a bad thing at all, but these guys need to adapt or die. Most of their careers are pretty much on life support anyway.

 

[Octoberist]

I like Statham, I half care about his next action movie. I mean, his action movies have sucked lately, but Homefront was a cool watch. Stallone's got a drama coming out (but it looks like crap). He should be writing and directing new action movies, he's got skills in that area, skills he phones in with the Expendables movies. Arnold, too, I love Arnold on screen. He made Last Stand good, but he couldn't save Sabotage. I liked Escape Plan because it actually had a story and thrills not just excuses to shoot guns. Looking forward to Maggie, not looking forward to Terminator 5.

Anyways, its like these guys forgot how to make action movies. First Blood was not just some dumb shoot'em up, and I dug the last Rambo too. Die Hard and Lethal Weapon had real wit and personality. Just because all anyone wants to talk about after the movie is done is the action scenes doesn't mean that's the only area you put in work.

THe last Die Hard was an embarrassment. At first, I was thinking 'Oh it wasn't too bad' and then it hit me how it made so little money at the box office, and it lacked the intelligence of the first movie (and the third one too). It had wit, it had characters that you cared about, and it was all grounded in a certain realism.

Falling from the top of a building and then through stories of CGI glass while avoiding a falling CGI helicopter is stupid. Then no one gets a scratch afterwards. Stupid.

 

[The Chris]

The only Hard R moment that I can think of is the AA12 scene in EX1 and then the scene in EX2 where like 5 people shot some mook 1000 times with automatic weapons

Also Dolph shooting a dude in half so bad his upper body flew into a wall, and Sly cutting a dude's head off and then stabbing a guy in the neck and twisting the blade, though that would have been better practically. I don't like CGI blood, but choppy editing and poor shot composition are worse to me.

 

[Octoberist]

I'll admit that it's nice to see dudes like Van Damme and Dolph on the big screen doing mainstream work.

 

[MadVillainy]

THe last Die Hard was an embarrassment. At first, I was thinking 'Oh it wasn't too bad' and then it hit me how it made so little money at the box office, and it lacked the intelligence of the first movie (and the third one too). It had wit, it had characters that you cared about, and it was all grounded in a certain realism.

Falling from the top of a building and then through stories of CGI glass while avoiding a falling CGI helicopter is stupid. Then no one gets a scratch afterwards. Stupid.

Not gonna lie...I really liked that scene. The movie itself was lazy and pretty dull. But I liked that moment a lot especially with John flipping them off as they jumped and Jack waving at them.

Also Dolph shooting a dude in half so bad his upper body flew into a wall, and Sly cutting a dude's head off and then stabbing a guy in the neck and twisting the blade, though that would have been better practically. I don't like CGI blood, but choppy editing and poor shot composition are worse to me.

Honestly forgot about those scenes.

 

[The Chris]

THe last Die Hard was an embarrassment. At first, I was thinking 'Oh it wasn't too bad' and then it hit me how it made so little money at the box office, and it lacked the intelligence of the first movie (and the third one too). It had wit, it had characters that you cared about, and it was all grounded in a certain realism.

Falling from the top of a building and then through stories of CGI glass while avoiding a falling CGI helicopter is stupid. Then no one gets a scratch afterwards. Stupid.

Die Hard 5 is a disgrace. Everything about itbis ugly. The R rating didn't save that, that's for sure. Besides the obvious script and acting and directing problems, directors today really need to watch old films and see how they're shot and cut before directing action. What they're doing stinks.

 

[SlamAdams]

THe last Die Hard was an embarrassment. At first, I was thinking 'Oh it wasn't too bad' and then it hit me how it made so little money at the box office, and it lacked the intelligence of the first movie (and the third one too). It had wit, it had characters that you cared about, and it was all grounded in a certain realism.

Falling from the top of a building and then through stories of CGI glass while avoiding a falling CGI helicopter is stupid. Then no one gets a scratch afterwards. Stupid.

Absolutely. And it certainly doesn't help that Bruce Willis has checked out of 90% of the movies he does anymore. Total auto-pilot.

 

[MadVillainy]

Looper is the only movie in a long time he seemed to care about. I havent seen Moonrise Kingdom but I hear that's good.

At least his performance in LFODH was good. I actually like that one or at least the unrated cut of it

 

[SlamAdams]

Looper is the only movie in a long time he seemed to care about. I havent seen Moonrise Kingdom but I hear that's good.

At least his performance in LFODH was good. I actually like that one or at least the unrated cut of it

Looper and Moonrise maybe some of his best work ever on an individual basis. They both came out the same year, the year before Die Hard 4 which is what makes Die Hard 4 all the sadder. And yea, he definitely seemed engaged in LFODH

 

[kguillou]

See heres the thing. Yes superheroes are dominating the box office world but action films are NOT dead. They just have to be done right. Case in point FAST 6. that movie made boat loads of cash. Why? Because the movie was FUN. It was fun, over the top, didnt take itself too seriously, and had loveable characters that you cared and rooted for. I was shocked at how good Fast 6 was and this is coming from someone who never watched that series ( besides 5). That movie is a template on how to do action films. Expendables 3 couldve easily topped it but they just didnt try hard enough.

 

[Blade X]

Really? Still bothered by the PG-13? The other Expendables barely qualify for an R-rating.

I still didnt see PG13 as that hurtful either. It was about about as brutal as the other two minus the blood. Still tons of people getting shot, necks snapped, etc/

Both of these posts are quoted for the truth.

 

[Serpico Jones]

Stallone made a number of mistakes with this film and they all center around the young Expendables. He wisely put the focus of the first film on himself and Jason Statham, the only two guys in that film that could somewhat act, here he gives way too much screen time to useless dopes likes Victor Ortiz and Kellan Lutz who can't act to save their lives. It's a shame because the older cast is damn fun in this one.

 

[The Chris]

Stallone made a number of mistakes with this film and they all center around the young Expendables. He wisely put the focus of the first film on himself and Jason Statham, the only two guys in that film that could somewhat act, here he gives way too much screen time to useless dopes likes Victor Ortiz and Kellan Lutz who can't act to save their lives. It's a shame because the older cast is damn fun in this one.

Yeah, I wanted someone to punch Ortiz in the face every time i saw him. I was thinking just let them die later on.

 

[TheDreamMaster]

The thing is I dont even think it'll come back.
Action movies, or at least that could argued as action movies, used to be about Cowboys and Westerns. E ventually in the 80s they became about Muscular guys with big ass guns destroying everything. Now it's all about superheroes and genre films.

It's like how glam rock bands or boom bap rap music isn't arent insanely popular anymore. Times change.

And that's not a bad thing at all, but these guys need to adapt or die. Most of their careers are pretty much on life support anyway.

So does that mean someday they'll make The Dark Knight Returns film, with 60 year old Affleck and Cavill and that'll be the next generations Expendables?

 

[TMC1982]

A-List: The Expendables 3

 

[dude stannis]

I really think it's over. Or rather, it'll come back but in a few years with a new generation. Now it's just getting sad, with men past their prime missing their glory days.

Basically if they had Scott Adkins, this movie would have the modern Planet Hollywood trio, modern Jet Li/Jackie Chan and the modern Van Damme/Snipes/Seagal.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2820852/?ref_=nv_sr_1

 

[Supernova]

I think this is the last, since the first one they have gotten worse and made less. Like I said a few pages back these movies dont deliver on what they promise to do. They promote all these top action stars from the past and promise a throback to those days but what we get is bad cgi blood, kills and old action stars who dont fight each other and the movies have a direct to video look to them.

 

[dude stannis]

The first one works as a cinematic TV pilot a la X-Men and The Fast & The Furious, where they're supposed to get bigger and better. It's just a shame they where stuck with Avi Lerner as the producer.

 

[dude stannis]

To be fair when Tokyo Drift flopped, Universal said "Ah, lets give them one more chance, ya never know" and now we've got a premier major action franchise. Lightning could strike twice.

 

[Supernova]

To be fair when Tokyo Drift flopped, Universal said "Ah, lets give them one more chance, ya never know" and now we've got a premier major action franchise. Lightning could strike twice.

difference is in tokyo drift they had none of the original cast in it and a poor mans paul walker as the lead. they brought the original cast back and it took off. Weve seen 3 attempts now by stallone and co and unless they decide to make an R rated film with cursing one liners and real blood and old stars vs old stars we will get the same old crap. the only ave I would be mildly interested in is if the expendables went up against a predator.

 

[MadVillainy]

To be fair when Tokyo Drift flopped, Universal said "Ah, lets give them one more chance, ya never know" and now we've got a premier major action franchise. Lightning could strike twice.

It could happen. It is Hollywood.

But for me I just dont think it will happen with Stallone having so much creative control. He should step back and just act.

Get a good director. If not John Woo or bring Richard Donner out of retirement try Shane Black, Justin Lin, Joe Carnahan. Somebody decent.
And get a good writer.

 

[dude stannis]

Stallone did the sequels for the money. He only cared about the first one artistically.

 

[Kane52630]

I still say the best thing to come out of the Expendables films was that making of documentary from the first one.

 

[Pink Ranger]

If it matters at this point, the director has laid to rest whether that bit at the end of was joke or not.

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Two-Expendables-Gay-Lovers-66837.html

It kind of makes sense, if you follow the entire Expendables canon from the beginning. From the start, Stallone said he was thinking that one of the Expendables should be gay (I always thought it was supposed to be Toll Road, to be honest). In the first movie, only one of the guys keeps talking about how he needs more money so he can settle down and start a family (the absence of gender pronouns is conspicuous in retrospect). And he's more or less absent from the core group in subsequent films, obviously doing something on his own out there.

 

[SlamAdams]

That should go over well