The Finished/Theatrical Version Of WOLVERINE Has Been Seen!!

[Infinity9999x]

I like how you can use hyperbole against certain things.... but once you hit something certain... "**** THAT MAN!"

I wouldn't really say he had ADHD. And really, it didn't have that much more violence in the movie than the comic book had.

You could be right, maybe Synder just wanted more violence, but I always viewed it as appropriate if you wanted to make Watchmen the movie as shocking as Watchmen the comic book was in today's time.

Sabretooth thread is on page 2:
http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=322203&page=7

Same character I'm pretty sure but he's never referred to as Sabretooth in this film. He becomes more and more feral throughout so perhaps his memory degrades as well? Loses some of his higher brain function when he becomes more animalistic? That's not in the comics but he's an idiot in X1 compared to this movie.

I think that the Statue of Liberty fight has less weight than it did before. They have a history...but it doesn't even matter because neither remembers it. Even if they never knew each other they would still be fighting. There's that vague familiarity they seem to have for each other...but it never pays off in the trilogy. Maybe the most amusing part of the climax of X1 after Wolverine is that Cyclops blows Sabretooth away. Also the choreography is a little underwhelming after what's done in Wolverine.

I personally was completely disappointed with how Sabretooth was handled in all of X1. I didn't think the statue of liberty fight had any weight to it to begin with, because it was quite obvious neither of them had any clue who the other was, aside from Sabretooth who seemed to have a tiny inkling. However, even then, you didn't really care because Sabretooth was an idiot. He shouldn't have been in the movie to begin with. His role would have been filled much better by a thug character like Blob.

And I'm really looking forward to the fight scenes in Wolverine, simply because I've been underwhelmed by all his fights thus far. Too much wirework and not intense enough.

 

[calibud]

I personally was completely disappointed with how Sabretooth was handled in all of X1. I didn't think the statue of liberty fight had any weight to it to begin with, because it was quite obvious neither of them had any clue who the other was, aside from Sabretooth who seemed to have a tiny inkling. However, even then, you didn't really care because Sabretooth was an idiot. He shouldn't have been in the movie to begin with. His role would have been filled much better by a thug character like Blob.

And I'm really looking forward to the fight scenes in Wolverine, simply because I've been underwhelmed by all his fights thus far. Too much wirework and not intense enough.

When I first saw X-Men I went in hoping that there would be some preestablished relationship in the film between Wolverine and Sabretooth and in the end it was just a waste. It wasn't enough to just have them exchange stabs and punches. Seems like Singer just needed to fill a henchman role but figured it would be a nice opportunity to wink at the fans. That was very unsatisfying.

What I meant when I said that the Liberty fight has even less weight than before is that it held zero significance to begin with since there was no explicit history between the two aside from what those of us who know the comics are aware of. After Wolverine the X1 fight is even less significant than that since it's as though they don't even really know each other. There's no emotion behind it and Sabretooth is just an obstacle.

If you weren't a fan of the wirework from the last three movies I'm not sure how you'll like what goes on in Wolverine. There's certainly an intensity that's not present in the other films. But they're still very effects heavy.

 

[CelticPredator]

thaat movie was long and boring. nuff said.

Glad you hated it.

 

[Infinity9999x]

When I first saw X-Men I went in hoping that there would be some preestablished relationship in the film between Wolverine and Sabretooth and in the end it was just a waste. It wasn't enough to just have them exchange stabs and punches. Seems like Singer just needed to fill a henchman role but figured it would be a nice opportunity to wink at the fans. That was very unsatisfying.

What I meant when I said that the Liberty fight has even less weight than before is that it held zero significance to begin with since there was no explicit history between the two aside from what those of us who know the comics are aware of. After Wolverine the X1 fight is even less significant than that since it's as though they don't even really know each other. There's no emotion behind it and Sabretooth is just an obstacle.

If you weren't a fan of the wirework from the last three movies I'm not sure how you'll like what goes on in Wolverine. There's certainly an intensity that's not present in the other films. But they're still very effects heavy.

I figured as much from the trailers. However, the fights do seem to be much more intense as you've said. That's one thing I found very lacking in the x-men movies. Wolverine never came off as a ferocious fighter to me. In his two big fights (with Sabes and Deathstryke) he didn't look like a dangerous fighter going ape****e all over the place. He looked like a brawler with claws.

I've always viewed Wolverine's fighting style as more grounded and brutal than what we've gotten in the movies. Something like a cross between the way the Bourne movie fights are, but with the camera pulled back a bit so it's not so choppy, and a bit more brutal and little less martial-artsy. I think Logan should have a bit of a brawler style to his fighting, but at the same time, this is a guy who's trained in multiple forms of martial arts, and he really knows how to fight, so he should also look like he knows what he's doing.

However, I'll be all right with the fights if they've at least upped the intensity level, and it certainly looks like that's the case with the Logan/Creed fights.

 

[CelticPredator]

They arent intense...Run, jump, stab repeat. I'm not even kidding, every fight is the same.

 

[J.Howlett]

Celtic is right. Also Infinity, don't forget about Wolverine's moment in the mansion in X2. That's pure Wolverine.

His fight sequences in the first two films are much better than this film because there's emotion and character behind those scenes. Not here with this film. And the sad thing about it is that it wastes Liev and Hugh's total commitment to their roles and their stunts...because they bring it. The story lets them down.

 

[Infinity9999x]

Celtic is right. Also Infinity, don't forget about Wolverine's moment in the mansion in X2. That's pure Wolverine.

His fight sequences in the first two films are much better than this film because there's emotion and character behind those scenes. Not here with this film. And the sad thing about it is that it wastes Liev and Hugh's total commitment to their roles and their stunts...because they bring it. The story lets them down.

The mansion scene was the only fight with Wolverine that I thought came close to portraying him the way he was meant to be. If the story is lacking however, that will definitely hurt. I'm more about story than I am action, and action without a good story (even good action) gets boring after a while. That's one reason why I hated the Sabes/Wolvie fight in X1, there was no connection between the characters.

 

[Deaths Head II]

I liked the Sabes/Wolvie fight in the woods because I thought the atmosphere and cinematography was terrific and it established Sabretooth as a massive physical threat. The fight at the end was meh though.

 

[Infinity9999x]

I liked the Sabes/Wolvie fight in the woods because I thought the atmosphere and cinematography was terrific and it established Sabretooth as a massive physical threat. The fight at the end was meh though.

I wouldn't really call it a fight. I'd call it Sabretooth b*$tch slapping Wolverine with a tree.

However, the set up for it was great. It's too bad they couldn't have made it a longer fight.

 

[Theweepeople]

I wouldn't really call it a fight. I'd call it Sabretooth b*$tch slapping Wolverine with a tree.

However, the set up for it was great. It's too bad they couldn't have made it a longer fight.

I agree. That scene wasn't a fight. In fact I was very annoyed at that the number of times Logan gets his ass kicked in the series.

Overall, the only Wolverine fight scenes I've enjoyed in the X-series are Wolverine vs. Mystique, Wolverine vs. Stryker's soilders at the X-Mansion, and parts of the Wolverine vs. Lady Deathstrike fight. I thought the other fights were pretty bland.

 

[Deaths Head II]

I didn't find Nightcrawler vs Secret Service bland at all. It was brilliantly shot and executed.

 

[craigdbfan]

I didn't find Nightcrawler vs Secret Service bland at all. It was brilliantly shot and executed.

That was one of the best action sequence in the entire X-Men film franchise imo.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

That is one of the best action sequences in any comic book film ever.

And you guys gotta remember, Logan hasn't been to Japan for his martial arts training yet. He has only just come out of the army, they don't teach proper hand to hand combat there.

 

[Crook]

That is one of the best action sequences in any comic book film ever.

And you guys gotta remember, Logan hasn't been to Japan for his martial arts training yet. He has only just come out of the army, they don't teach proper hand to hand combat there.

The hell are you talking about?

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Well they don't teach martial arts in normal infantry units in the US army do they?

 

[Crook]

I'm not sure what "normal" infantry means, but I do know they teach various forms of combat (including martial arts) in their units.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea well yea, that's just probably standard hand to hand stuff. I'm talking about when he goes to Japan he will learn different martial arts.

 

[3 Dev Adam]

Well they don't teach martial arts in normal infantry units in the US army do they?

No, but a gazillion years in the army will give you enough skills to not be kicked in the groin.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

That goes without saying!

 

[Lord Blackbolt]

His fighting style didn't really change from Origins to the X-men movies....so I don't think he will get martial arts training much in Japan.

 

[Kanon]

Ok, keep in mind that I've only seen the final version twice, I'm checking the workprint for the first time, and I've bad memory for some details, but I'm definitively spotting differences in dialogue, and some other minor differences.

Please mods, let me know if It's ok to go into specifics

 

[Ace of Knaves]

His fighting style didn't really change from Origins to the X-men movies....so I don't think he will get martial arts training much in Japan.

Why would you go to Japan if you are not gonna get training in some form of martial arts or whatever? To take in the nice scenery?

 

[danoyse]

Ok, keep in mind that I've only seen the final version twice, I'm checking the workprint for the first time, and I've bad memory for some details, but I'm definitively spotting differences in dialogue, and some other minor differences.

Please mods, let me know if It's ok to go into specifics

I believe we're going to start a comparison thread once the US release starts. We tried a review thread already and it sank into off-topic conversation, so we'll re-open it in a few days.

But if there are differences, let us know!

 

[Kanon]

Here is what I have spotted:

The opening credits:

Spoiler

in the workprint, the title X-Men Origins Wolverine is near the beggining. In the final version, is at the very end, when Logan and Creed are "executed" (appears when the screen goes suddenly black, with the director's name)

In the plane to lagos, Wade talks about the sword in his ex girlfriend's wedding:

Spoiler

In the workprint, Creed answers "It's funny Wade, I didn't think you liked girls". In the final version, Creed says something like "It's funny Wade, I think you are confusing me with the guy who gives a ****" (yes, he says ****)

Not sure about this one,

Spoiler

but also in the plane, in the workprint Dukes is the one that mentions he met the girl in the tatoo last night. I think in the final version, Logan mentions that.
EDIT: I just checked, is Logan in both versions

When the Team arrives at the HQ of the narcos in Lagos, and Agent Zero aproaches the gates.

Spoiler

In the workprint, the guards just point the guns. In the final version, they also shout "Perimeter Breach" "Perimeter compromised" and stuff like that.

I'll keep seeing, I'll let you know if I see something else.

 

[Kanon]

Also, this is just SFX added but is not really obvious that are missing in the workprint:

Spoiler

in the plane, there is a close up of Creed's claws, and Wade grabs his sword, ready to fight. In the final version, Creed's claws get bigger in that scene.