The Flash The Flash Season 1 Episode 21: Grodd Lives

[Docker2.0]

Nah. I'm a girl.

I hate badly written romance. And that's what I feel like Iris and Barry have been. Barry has been alternatively creepy and stalkerish, Iris is oblivious for forever. The only time Iris is honest about her feelings is when the city is about to be destroyed, or when her current boyfriend whom she moved in with is kidnapped by a futuristic madman. Somehow I'm supposed to believe that this is a healthy, beautiful relationship, and I'm supposed to love and support it? Gross. It's one of the most dysfunctional, unhealthy relationships I have ever seen on TV. That's why I hate it, and I hate that the writers aren't even trying to do write it well. They just write whatever whim pops into their minds for the episode.

Preach!

 

[BLACKVULCAN]

What the heck are you doing in here?!

wellll I didnt make that left turn at Albuquerque like i should have and ended up here talking about Grodd!t:
why?!? you miss me!!!
oh and i dug eddie talking about what kinda name is Eobard! hahah that was funny!

 

[Cybermaxis]

Pretty good episode. For a moment there I thought they

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where going to kill Grodd off like some of the other Metahumans, whew!

 

[mkilban2]

Could they be making the relationship awkward/"bad" on purpose so it's not some perfect thing right away? Idk I just don't see it as that bad. Yeah, we know they're going to end up together eventually in the next 10 years and yeah, they clearly both have feelings for each other but cant act upon them. But those things need to come out so they can either a) actually just be friends and not weirdo wanna be together but acting like they cant or b) actually be together.

Idk I thought they were good tonight, and Barry knows he can't just swoop in on Iris cause she's with Eddie, even if it's their destiny to be together. I felt after tonight both sides are willing to just let things play out.

Anyways, thats enough for me talking about a damn fictional relationship in an ongoing show which I could never actually precdict what may or may not happen lmao!

 

[Rowen]

How does the reverse flash/wells eyes glow red.

 

[Karelia]

Meh, I don't get all the hate Iris hate. There's been a few scenes I thought weren't very good, but I get over it. :P

Grodd was intense, the build up for him was great! I wish this show had a bigger budget, but they're definitely doing there best with what they got.

Also, can someone tell me what Wells did at the very end of the episode? I feel like I missed something.

 

[Seb]

How does the reverse flash/wells eyes glow red.

I think it's an extreme version of when Barry gets those little lightning flashes in his eyes. Wells' are red because his lightning is red (like Barry's is yellow.) Not sure why they both get lightning in their eyes, something to do with being filled with their respective Speed Forces, I guess.

Meh, I don't get all the hate Iris hate. There's been a few scenes I thought weren't very good, but I get over it. :P

Grodd was intense, the build up for him was great! I wish this show had a bigger budget, but they're definitely doing there best with what they got.

Also, can someone tell me what Wells did at the very end of the episode? I feel like I missed something.

I think it was one or both of the following: Releasing the metahumans and/or setting off the particle accelerator again. (he was in the pipeline)

 

[Seb]

Honestly, I didn't much like Iris before (usually, though she did have her moments). Apart from the silly romance stuff* I really liked her reaction to everyone and how she managed to be useful. She basically shredded Barry and Joe with every criticism a lot of us have been levelling at them for their secrecy, which felt nice.

*When say silly romance stuff, I mean that this romance is silly, not that having romance is silly. On Arrow, I liked the Laurel/Tommy relationship and the Roy/Thea one, they felt real. Even Oliver/Helena had its moments, but lately? Bleh. On this show, Iris and Eddie usually felt like a relatively healthy relationship, and Caitlin/Ronnie was heartbreaking. Iris/Barry, though, has mostly been messed up as all hell, and I really hope they can get past this nonsense and give us a healthy relationship. A couple tackling things together is so much more interesting than will-they-won't-they stuff.

I dunno, maybe I'm in the minority on my relationship feels, but that's my opinion: Couples = entertaining, drama-Queens (see what I did there?) = tedious. To use an old example, it's why in Friends Monica/Chandler was engaging and Ross/Rachel was just a grind.

 

[Tempest]

Moving along from the Terrible Romance of Terribleness, the bits that I saw of the episode that I loved:

- Clancy Brown. Can I just say once again how much I just love him, and everything he does? Have any of you seen Carnivale? If not, you should check it out (unless you have a sensitive heart. Then don't watch it; it will scar you for life).

- Jesse L. Martin. His scene with Grodd that I saw was terrifying, and he played it so well. -flaily hands-

- Grodd. Super cool to look at. Not perfect FX, but I wasn't expecting 100% perfection from a tv show. Pretty damn good all around, however, and I love that.

- Grodd's drawings. They were a wonderful detail that helped show how Grodd developed over time, and how he will continue to evolve.

- Eddie being a smartass. I love Eddie. Which means he's destined to die. Or become evil. Or become Evil and then die. It's hard to love a not-main character. The struggle is real, guys.

- Although I found some of what she said grating, I give props to Candice for her acting. Layered, and done very well...it's too bad the writers continue to make Iris so irritating. Candice could do so much with her.

- The deleted scene, which was adorable.

- Cisco and Caitlin. I adore them. So, so much. If Caitlin has to become Killer Frost, can she be good? Please?

 

[Headliner]

Solid episode. Iris is so unlikable it's insane. LOL at Eobard revealing Eddie's future to him and telling him he's a failure.

What was that thing that popped up at the end of the show when Thawne put that blue capsule into the slot?

Anyone? It's apparently the key to Thawne going back to his time.

 

[Herolee10]

Oh My Grodd!

Can someone please either kill off Iris or have her temporarily leave the show?

Man, Iris is really the "Flash" version of "Lana Lang" from Smallville.

And what's worse is that they try to justify her actions and have both Barry and Joe feel apologetic about it.

Just to be clear, I'm no shipper nor a sexist/racist. The Iris that I saw at the beginning of the season was likable.

But somehow, over the course of the season, they've continually allowed her to become such a pain in the ass that it's almost hard to enjoy the good stuff that each episode presents due to HOW much of her is present within those given episodes.

It's all about her and her needs, never once considering on how other people feel. Quite frankly, I'd like to call her a lot of other things but I'm not.

Anyways, Irritating Iris aside, I thought the episode was good.

I loved that they portrayed on how terrifying Grodd is and how Barry really needed a lot of dumb luck to beat someone like him.

Didn't really get the whole "Father doesn't like Guns" thing since we've seen Wells use Guns and Grodd made his lackey use a gun as well.

Off topic, but I wonder if the Editor even knew that he had misplaced a close up shot in a running sequence where Barry is shown wearing Cisco's device in every other shot?

 

[Broseph44]

Solid episode. Iris is so unlikable it's insane. LOL at Eobard revealing Eddie's future to him and telling him he's a failure.

What was that thing that popped up at the end of the show when Thawne put that blue capsule into the slot?

I agree with you and many others. Iris is so annoying and unlikable it's the only part of this show I honestly cannot stand. Just her.

Awesome episode tonight though as per usual, Grodd was amazing. The shot of him jumping in slow motion towards Barry

 

[Herolee10]

The only thing that I'm confused about is if Wells (Eobard) is a Direct Descendant of Eddie's.

I mean if he is, then that means that if something unexpectedly bad were to happen to Eddie, then Wells would no longer exist.

And I'm assuming that one of the biggest things that was changed from Wells having killed Barry's mother was probably Eddie and Iris being a couple in the present day.

I think in the timeline where Barry wasn't raised by Joe, as a result of Nora still being alive, Barry had entered into a relationship with Iris (due to not having any self doubts or intimacy issues from an event that never occurred in that timeline), thus Iris and Eddie never became a thing.

So if Wells is a direct descendant of Eddie, then doesn't his survival depend on Eddie meeting the right mate and having children with that person?

 

[Dave McFly]

I asked in another thread who plays Grodd's voice?

 

[Frodo]

Thought the episode was good or grodd, for the most part.

Yeah, I'm not gonna even touch the Iris stuff. Some fans hate her, Some fans think those fans are being unfair... the saga continues.

Grodd was cool and it was the only time we've ever seen Joe truly terrified.

I liked the whole Thawne family chat and I do wonder where Eddie goes from here. Will we meet this Agnes character or will Eddie's future start to get to him?

All in all it was a good transition episode and next weeks episode with the Amell cousins should be pretty cool.

 

[Verick808]

Basically iris has confusing feelings she doesn't quite know what to do with and she doesn't like that her boyfriend, father, and best friend were all keeping a secret from her that may or may not have gotten previously mentioned boyfriend kidnapped if not killed........
What a selfish ****!!!!!

 

[Bathead]

Nah. I'm a girl.

I hate badly written romance. And that's what I feel like Iris and Barry have been. Barry has been alternatively creepy and stalkerish, Iris is oblivious for forever. The only time Iris is honest about her feelings is when the city is about to be destroyed, or when her current boyfriend whom she moved in with is kidnapped by a futuristic madman. Somehow I'm supposed to believe that this is a healthy, beautiful relationship, and I'm supposed to love and support it? Gross. It's one of the most dysfunctional, unhealthy relationships I have ever seen on TV. That's why I hate it, and I hate that the writers aren't even trying to do write it well. They just write whatever whim pops into their minds for the episode.

I understand, but I really don't think it's as bad as all that. Besides, I'm seeing this same anti-romance attitude in other CB shows like Gotham and Arrow. It's like every female that gets with the male lead in these shows automatically generates hate.

 

[Human Torch]

This had the potential to be a really big episode,but as usual,the Iris affair really dragged it around the block and back again before really dealing with what we all wanted to see-GRODD!

In fairness,I liked the early Iris scenes. I felt bad for her as she went through the whole "Wait,Eddie knows? My dad knows? Mason is dead?!? etc". She honestly had a right to be a bit peeved. But as it went on, she just started acting like a diva and it felt like the whole story had to come to a grinding halt over her "hurt feelings".

It also didn't help that they tried (fairly unconvincingly) to act like she was suitable Wells replacement material.

Speaking of which, I thought they would make more of the fact that they lost Wells as their resident genius. They sorta mention it, but then say "Eh...Cisco is smart enough to pick up the slack". I don't mind but they basically needed Wells to hold their hand all season. His loss could've been more keenly felt.

Grodd looked awesome! No complaint there. I wish he would've just outright talked, but maybe he's not through developing. His effect on Joe was chilling to say the least. Joe's a pretty tough guy and to see him pretty much cowering from Grodd was unsettling.

It was nice that we also got an "Aw,Joe" moment at the end with Iris. Haven't seen one of those in a while.

The highlight to me was the Eobard/Eddie scenes. Eobard is all like "Sorry to break it to you pal,but you're the runt of the litter. Ain't nothin' important you'll ever do!" He's so mean!

The Flash/Grodd fight effects were great.

I can't really see why they'd let the General out of the pipeline. He still seemed pretty dangerous even without being a meta human.

 

[Herolee10]

Honestly, I think it would be at least somewhat easier to understand on why the Producers are portraying Iris's character in this manner.

I mean it wouldn't be hard for an average person to assume, based on watching this series alone, that the Producers want to find almost every possible means in ensuring that Iris doesn't come off as a likable character and that we shouldn't enjoy her potential/future romance with Barry.

1. She's his Foster Sister

2. She's a Hypocrite

3. She's a freaking Selfish Diva

4. She has no problem in cheating on Eddie when she's in the mood

5. She feels like she's entitled to be in control and know everything about Barry's life

I mean are the writers knowingly doing this to her as part of some arc for her to later realize the errors of her ways like Laurel did in Season 2?

Or are they just that ignorant in what makes a character likable?

Normally, I wouldn't care so much about stuff like this but I don't think it's a unfair assessment to say that Iris has been this show's biggest dead weight from the start.

They've had to find ways to force her into the main arcs at times and place a significant amount of time on her, despite the fact that she comes off as a horrible person in that exposure.

Can the producers just pull a "Gotham's Barbara" and have Barry wake up from this nightmare and end up with someone actually more suitable and likable like how Gordon did with Leslie Tompkins?

 

[Spider-Aziz]

I wanted to hear him say he hates bananas. Never read that line in a comic, heard it in Justice League show.
What's wrong with friends keeping secrets from their best friends? Nooothiiing.
With the flow of lines about Thawne bloodline, "failure" sounded like Eobard is talking about his bloodline having more of them.

 

[Ted]

I think Wells in this episode was the best the whole season. That badass and cocky attitude with 'I'm a genius' was amazing. Not sure how much of Eddie being a failure is true though, but it does suck to be Eddie and knowing that Iris will marry Barry. Only thing I am sad about is that, no matter how good Wells is as RF, I think I will miss his presence in Star Labs as a mentor to the team. Its like a father figure left the show.

Anyone? It's apparently the key to Thawne going back to his time.

Looked liked the pipeline in Star Labs. How does that relate to Wells going back though, we need to wait for the answers.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Anyone else thought of this moment when Grodd caught the punch?

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[The Shape]

Nope.

 

[Tempest]

I understand, but I really don't think it's as bad as all that. Besides, I'm seeing this same anti-romance attitude in other CB shows like Gotham and Arrow. It's like every female that gets with the male lead in these shows automatically generates hate.

Oh, female romantic leads get their share of hate. Sometimes it's fangirls hating on the woman for being with 'their man'. Sometimes fanboys don't like it, because some of the romantic intrigue distracts from the story. I think it's ok to state how much you dislike a character, as long as it doesn't delve into a rant about how said character needs to die, or when people start bashing the actress for being horrible.

On the other hand, last night, I saw several tweets from WestAllen fans that were hopeful that Eddie doesn't get rescued, or that he dies so he can be out of the way of their pairing. Gross.

Honestly, I think it would be at least somewhat easier to understand on why the Producers are portraying Iris's character in this manner.

I mean it wouldn't be hard for an average person to assume, based on watching this series alone, that the Producers want to find almost every possible means in ensuring that Iris doesn't come off as a likable character and that we shouldn't enjoy her potential/future romance with Barry.

1. She's his Foster Sister

2. She's a Hypocrite

3. She's a freaking Selfish Diva

4. She has no problem in cheating on Eddie when she's in the mood

5. She feels like she's entitled to be in control and know everything about Barry's life

You forgot to mention how unlikable Barry is whenever he is dealing with his creepy feelings for Iris. I love Barry in a way I don't usually love comic book heroes, but holy hell, I want to slap his face every time he's whining about his love for Iris, or giving her the creepy stalker looks whenever they're around each other.

I can't even get a good friendship vibe off of them, because I feel like every scene they've had together has been about servicing their unhealthy romance.

 

[FN Spider-man]

really getting sick of the hate some fans give Iris what do you expect it is to be HUMAN