The Flash The Flash Season 1 Episode 21: Grodd Lives

[Astro13Zombie]

I can't believe grodd stopped flashe's super sonic punch. I figured Barry would knock him out. All his punches didn't hit, it took a subway car just to defeat grodd . But at the end we see that grodd is still alive. I wish he would talked through his mouth, instead of through his mind.

And that was kinda funny when grodd told joe that he hates bananas.

He should have ran from bit further than just 5.3 miles away.

 

[GamerSlyRatchet]

I'd make Candice portray the future Killer Frost; keeping all of the bad attitude that her Iris currently has, thus making it very believable that this is someone who would become a villainous murderer in the future.

I'm really hoping Eobard's torture of Eddie doesn't make the latter evil just because of girl problems. Maybe the reason he's so disgusted by his ancestor is because he's the only non-evil Thawne in the line and preferred an honest, quiet life as a detective than climb to the top by cheating and stealing.

 

[Herolee10]

I'm really hoping Eobard's torture of Eddie doesn't make the latter evil just because of girl problems. Maybe the reason he's so disgusted by his ancestor is because he's the only non-evil Thawne in the line and preferred an honest, quiet life as a detective than climb to the top by cheating and stealing.

Well you can't deny that Caitlin has been portrayed as being more warmhearted than Iris over most of this season.

Also, in the comics, one of the reasons why the Reverse Flash had such a big issue with Barry was because of the bad blood that was shared between his family and Barry's over the course of history. It all supposedly started between Barry and Eddie (Cobalt Blue) in the comics.

 

[vantheman77]

If Eddie does turn out to be Barry's brother and become Cobalt Blue, he might think that the byline was meant for he and Iris and not Barry and Iris.

 

[mr. peasant]

I was thinking the same thing. Interesting you say this because this has been going around tumblr for a while now:

Omg, lol! That's brilliant.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Very interesting, I wonder if they'd have the balls to do what Gotham has done.

 

[KillerMcQueen]

Very interesting, I wonder if they'd have the balls to do what Gotham has done.

Iris isn't even remotely close to being anywhere near the ballpark of comparable to Gotham's handling of Barbara. Seriously, Barbara is a f***ing psycho (as of Gotham's finale, she rather literally is a psycho), Iris is occasionally rude, big difference, not to mention literally every single one of her issues with Barry and Joe this episode was not only justified, but a long time coming. I find it hard to take issue with Iris's actions in this episode, especially since despite having every right to be p***ed at the entirety of team Flash for keeping what they did from her despite her unknowing involvement she did not take her anger out on Cisco and Caitlin at any point, she kept the blame where it belonged, and, were the forum members here NOT voicing issue with many of Barry and Joe's actions that Iris directly addressed in this episode?

 

[Hunter Rider]

Iris isn't even remotely close to being anywhere near the ballpark of comparable to Gotham's handling of Barbara. Seriously, Barbara is a f***ing psycho (as of Gotham's finale, she rather literally is a psycho), Iris is occasionally rude, big difference, not to mention literally every single one of her issues with Barry and Joe this episode was not only justified, but a long time coming. I find it hard to take issue with Iris's actions in this episode, especially since despite having every right to be p***ed at the entirety of team Flash for keeping what they did from her despite her unknowing involvement she did not take her anger out on Cisco and Caitlin at any point, she kept the blame where it belonged, and, were the forum members here NOT voicing issue with many of Barry and Joe's actions that Iris directly addressed in this episode?

That wasn't what I was meaning, I am not suggesting turning Iris psycho, I was thinking that there is no chemistry between Candice and Grant just like there was none between Erin and Ben, so the show runners made the switch when the obvious chemistry with Morena was right in front of them. I think it is similar with Barry and Caitlin.

 

[Rowen]

I wish I recorded the episode, so. I can rewatch it again. Now next week I'm definently going to record the episode. I can't wait to see more of the reverse flash, I think he is so awsome.

 

[DrStrange]

If Oliver is coming in the next episode, is there anything about Barry going to Arrow, either this week or the finale?

He was in the trailer for Arrow's next episode but it doesn't show him fighting. He just said Oliver needs you guys and that's it

 

[vantheman77]

In looking at the parallel presentation between Iris and Caitlin, I don't think Iris is anywhere close to her comic counterpart other than the name and journalism. Caitlin on the other hand is more like Iris from the comics than Iris is.

 

[The_Manhunter]

I freaking love this show, I've given more 10s to episodes than non-10s. Grodd was incredible!

 

[DrStrange]

I thought Grodd telepathically knew what Barry was planning by reading his mind and could therefore perfectly counter the sonic punch? I think Barry later landed a few punches, but they didn't seem to bother Grodd in the slightest due to his size and strength.

As the train obviously wasn't sentient, then Grodd wasn't aware of its presence because his entire mental focus was on Barry.

At least that's how I interpreted it. I'm not overly familiar with the extent of Grodd's powers though.

Barry was wearing that device Cisco built while running at Grodd. Also, Grodd can't reach miles out and read peoples minds. If he could I think that would make him way too powerful. Especially right now when he's still evolving. More than likely he heard flash coming. And the writers made a mistake letting him counter the punch. That should have definitely worked

 

[The_Manhunter]

I don't get it either. I don't see a problem with it. I get the impression it's a lot of young adult males who would rather they skip the romance bits and concentrate on the action, cuz, ya know, romance is icky.

I don't mind romance if it's done right. I don't think Oliver/Felicity is so that's why I'm not a fan of that. I kinda like Barry/Iris though. For me it depends on the writing/execution.

I am 21 and a guy if that makes any difference

 

[Rowen]

He should have ran from bit further than just 5.3 miles away.

I didn't know that flash knocked out Grodd in the comics I just figured out that the super sonic punch. Was made for the tv show.

 

[Tempest]

Iris isn't even remotely close to being anywhere near the ballpark of comparable to Gotham's handling of Barbara. Seriously, Barbara is a f***ing psycho (as of Gotham's finale, she rather literally is a psycho), Iris is occasionally rude, big difference, not to mention literally every single one of her issues with Barry and Joe this episode was not only justified, but a long time coming. I find it hard to take issue with Iris's actions in this episode, especially since despite having every right to be p***ed at the entirety of team Flash for keeping what they did from her despite her unknowing involvement she did not take her anger out on Cisco and Caitlin at any point, she kept the blame where it belonged, and, were the forum members here NOT voicing issue with many of Barry and Joe's actions that Iris directly addressed in this episode?

No. Iris blamed Barry for keeping a secret from her because she is his best friend and she felt entitled to know. She has no rights to his secret.

Then she angry at Joe for keeping her in the dark, which I don't think is justified either. She was mad at him for why he kept her in the dark, and that is indeed reasonable. Then she was angry that Joe hadn't told her that Barry was crushing on her and she proceeded to blame Joe for Eddie's kidnapping. That was unreasonable.

She confronted Caitlin about her hiding the truth about Ronnie...which is none of Iris' s business.

The problem with Iris being so mad is she lied to her dad for months about her and Eddie...and she lied to Eddie at least once about her rooftop meeting with the Flash, and once to her father about meeting the Flash in the hospital. She's fine with secrets...as long as they benefit herself.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

That wasn't what I was meaning, I am not suggesting turning Iris psycho, I was thinking that there is no chemistry between Candice and Grant just like there was none between Erin and Ben, so the show runners made the switch when the obvious chemistry with Morena was right in front of them. I think it is similar with Barry and Caitlin.

Caitlin is Ronnie's fiance.
I think they want to keep her that way.

 

[Mikelus]

An enjoyable episode. But, I wish it had more Grodd.

And the method for feeding the prisoners seems unlikely. Wouldn't the vast majority of them escape when they open the doors to deliver their meals? Or is The Flash always there at feeding time to make sure they don't escape? And it still ignores the question of their other bodily functions and needs, not to mention whether indefinite imprisonment in a very small cell in the dark with is a suitable punishment for all of the metas.

They would show more Grodd if they had a bigger budget, but this is the CW (a small network), so they do what they can.

On how they get feed, maybe each cell has a type of drawer or something that is open from the outside to put the food in it. How do they shower then? Maybe a small shower cabin hidden in the wall or something, Star Labs has cutting edge technology, so it could be possible.

Having Barry lurve after her for his entire life does not make his feelings for her less creepy. It makes it more creepy. It's even weirder that she never had a clue about it until Barry confessed it. And she didn't know she had feelings for him until he confessed to her?

We're talking nearly twenty years of pining that went unnoticed by the female lead. And no one finds that a little disturbing besides me?

You're right, is not great writing at all, but it will get better now that the secrets are over, Iris will be more likeable I guess, but we'll see.

I don't get how Grodd was able to match Flash's speed either. How was he able to stop Flash's super punch when the guy is going light speed? Does he have super speed as well. Seems like a stretch.

Yeah, it didn't make sense, what they should've done is Barry hitting Grodd, but he's not completely out, just dizzy thanks to his superior resistance.

*sigh* hate to say it because I love Stephen Amell and Arrow but I can't wait for this season to be over. This season sucks more than a hungry hooker with 5 mouths to feed. Just not feeling the Ras arc and hopefully they do better next year because Amell deserves better. You can really tell that the Arrow's people went to the Flash's show. It really shows.

Lets not forget Arrow has been flawed from the start, it was never as good as Daredevil for example. Sooner or later they were going to have a down year, that said, the main producers are still there: Greg Berlanti, Andrew Kreisberg & Marc Guggenheim. Berlanti and Kreisberg even co-wrote the Season 3 premiere, "The Calm" and the finale, "My Name Is Oliver Queen": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Arrow_episodes#Season_3_.282014.E2.80.9315.29

As many in the business, they're very hit or miss, Greg Berlanti & Marc Guggenheim also wrote the Green Lantern movie; Berlanti also created the show No Ordinary Family, which was cancelled after one season.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Caitlin is Ronnie's fiance.
I think they want to keep her that way.

They parted ways and there doesn't seem any real interest by the CW to use him again, he's not even in the spin-off.

 

[Batmannerism]

Pretty solid episode. I thought Grodd was pretty scary for a CGI gorilla.

However, I still struggle with Grodd catching Barry's punch. No matter how strong he is, that's like him catching a bullet - while he might be physically strong and massive enough to stop its force, how on earth are his reflexes fast enough to move his arm/hand so that he can catch something moving that fast ? It'd be like you or I trying to catch an arrow that's been fired at us. Good luck with that.

On that note, I'm not keen about how Barry's reflexes are portrayed inconsistently. I'm okay with him being distracted and getting nailed, but in episode 12 he was fast enough to dodge a bullet fired at his back, after he heard it, this suggests that unless he's distracted he should have sufficient reaction time to deal with pretty much any attack.

I guess it's tough not to make Barry invincible, but I think they need to put a little more thought into it. E.g. When Barry first confronts the mind-controlled Eiling, him getting nailed by Grodd's psychic attack totally makes sense.

Anyway, overall a good episode. 8/10 from me.

 

[Human Torch]

Very interesting, I wonder if they'd have the balls to do what Gotham has done.

I seriously doubt it. CW seems more obstinate than that.

 

[Spooderman]

I wonder if Grodd will try to get Kaitlyn to join his side, so it will be believable for her to become a villain.

 

[GamerSlyRatchet]

That wasn't what I was meaning, I am not suggesting turning Iris psycho, I was thinking that there is no chemistry between Candice and Grant just like there was none between Erin and Ben, so the show runners made the switch when the obvious chemistry with Morena was right in front of them. I think it is similar with Barry and Caitlin.

Eeh, I don't really see much chemistry Barry and Caitlin. The little there is seems one-sided on her behalf.

I wonder if Grodd will try to get Kaitlyn to join his side, so it will be believable for her to become a villain.

Through brainwashing or something? I'll admit, I'm curious on Caitlin's supposed dark side that Heat Wave hinted at, since she's been very kind and calm.

 

[craigdbfan]

I need to catch up on this show badly. Apparently it's been pure fire.

 

[Faith_Cassidy]

I was thinking the same thing. Interesting you say this because this has been going around tumblr for a while now:

The Barry/Iris dynamic spans almost 60 years, with several different interpretations. The fact there may be parallels between Barry/Iris and Barry/Caitlin is no more telling than if one were to find parallels between Barry/Iris and Barry/Felicity and I'm sure one could.

What's really funny to me is the complaints about how "annoying" Iris is. I don't see her that way (her anger is very much justified, imo) but that would put her more in line with Silver Age Iris, who was way tougher on Barry than current Iris has ever been. I'd hate to see what you guys would say if current Iris were written more like SA Iris. Lol!

Anyhow, I enjoy Barry and Iris myself and I like how the writers are sticking to the comics in portraying Iris as Barry's "lightning rod." That should make for some great scenes between the two.