The Flash The Flash Season 1, Episode 3 "Things You Can't Outrun" General Discussion

[lililatigresse]

I found the episode long and boring. I really liked the pilot but in the last two episodes, sometimes the plots and the dialogues felt so forced and they really need to do something about those villains. To paraphrase Inception, they really need to dream bigger. It's a shame because I think there's potential.

Also, I think I have a serious problem with Danielle Panabaker. There's something about her acting that I find really annoying and I find it difficult to take her character seriously or even care about her. I didn't buy her so called love story with Ronnie, like I didn't buy her being traumatized/sad about it. It just seems there.

And yeah, they need to stop with Eddie/Iris: nobody cares, it's not interesting. If they are really looking for things to do with Iris: just develop her journalism storyline, make her interact more and actually have a real relationship with her father and/or put her with Barry already. Because right now, her scenes are a waste of time.

 

[Maze]

Best episode yet. I'm just amazed by the passion and the quality this show is offering. A true live comic book show

 

[Maze]

And yes i think that there a few flaws here and there ( Like the Iris/ Thrawn romance/ And the love triangle but the actors are improving and it doesn't take too much places) but the good sooo outweight the bad for me, that it doesn't matter.

 

[Human Torch]

Why is that a negative? Pairing her with Barry is only going to ruin the dynamic they have, and she and Eddie work very well together as a couple.

I agree,I prefer the brother/sister dynamic.But the problem is,

A.That's not the way it was in the comics (and if their treatment of Laurel is any example) they will stick to their guns and try their darnedest to get them paired up.

and

B.Without their eventual romance,she's ultimately superfluous among the large cast we have.

The original series was wise to ship Iris off,when they realized early on the "triangle" idea was unnecessary. The character as was originally intended as Barry's "beloved" was just a squeaky wheel that really had no impact beyond eating up valuable screen time.They already had a better option for him,whom he worked with every day at Star Labs.(The more things change...)

I doubt they'll pull the trigger on losing Iris (particularly with Joe in the cast),but it would open up the screen time that could be devoted to the villains.'Cause if the Rogues get the minuscule characterization that the villains have had up til now,you'll have some mighty unhappy campers...

 

[Tv's Phil]

Good episode.
Even one I thought would be boring, wasn't.
So much fun.

 

[chamber-music]

Really hope that one of Flash's major villains shows up soon, would like to see Captain Cold, Mirror Master, or Captain Boomerang.

Captain Cold is the villain in next weeks episode. Heatwave and Captain Boomerang have already been cast and set to appear.

I just hope that we have one big villain that remains constant throughout the SERIES....
1 Supervillain that is there through the series
1 Supervillain per season
and the freak of the week... That should give the show ENOUGH material to do each episode as unique and develop the characters bit by bit... If they plan it like that we will NOT get after stories that feel like we are extending the show. Kinda like Smallville did after a while.

Wells looks like he is possibly this seasons main villain and

Spoiler

set pics of Reverse Flash/Zoom have leaked

 

[Wise]

Great episode. The best yet I think.

I love the characters and Grant Gustin has sold me completely on his Barry. The moments between him and Joe and his dad are genuine and powerful.

The action in this show is great, but I think they need to be careful not to fall into a formula trap. The freak of the week thing is fine for a show like this as Buffy and Angel have proven that this can be a great structure. But the Round 1 where Barry loses and then Round 2 where he finds a last minute way to exploit a weakness thing is going to get old if they keep on using it. The way Flash defeated Mist was the exact same way he defeated Multiplex. Got his ass kicked the first encounter, then exploited the villain's stamina the second time.

Was cool to see the Firestorm origin this ep too.

 

[Wise]

Double Post.

 

[king666]

QUICK REVEW:
Barry is the best thing about this show. The character is really likeable. The villain was a HUGE "meh". The metahuman prison was pretty sweet, and we saw Firestorm's origin (also sweet). I like Cisco but I don't like Caitlin.

Ah, they better tease us with some Eddie Thawne/Reverse Flash stuff because right now I couldn't give a bigger **** about him and Iris. Their romance feels 100% disconnected from the rest of the show. Meaningless.

I want to see Iris going full "Lois Lane" with her journalism carreer. Make her smart. Like, damn smart.

 

[DigificWriter]

I agree,I prefer the brother/sister dynamic.But the problem is,

A.That's not the way it was in the comics (and if their treatment of Laurel is any example) they will stick to their guns and try their darnedest to get them paired up.

and

B.Without their eventual romance,she's ultimately superfluous among the large cast we have.

The original series was wise to ship Iris off,when they realized early on the "triangle" idea was unnecessary. The character as was originally intended as Barry's "beloved" was just a squeaky wheel that really had no impact beyond eating up valuable screen time.They already had a better option for him,whom he worked with every day at Star Labs.(The more things change...)

I doubt they'll pull the trigger on losing Iris (particularly with Joe in the cast),but it would open up the screen time that could be devoted to the villains.'Cause if the Rogues get the minuscule characterization that the villains have had up til now,you'll have some mighty unhappy campers...

A. The writers aren't obligated to be true to the comics.

B. I vehemently disagree that Iris is superfluous without being connected to Barry romantically. She's got her interest in "The Streak" and burgeoning journalism career, a potential arc surrounding Eddie's betrayal of her if he becomes the Reverse Flash, and a potential arc surrounding her discovery of Barry's secret life and becoming involved in it.

The writers also have story options for introducing her nephew Wally that could be used to make her an integral part of the show without ever going the romance route with her and Barry.

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

Enjoyed the episode a lot, as usual. It's just a ton of fun, despite some CWness. Great sets and locations in this episode btw.

A couple questions though:

1. Regarding Barry's mission to free his Dad, it seems odd to me that he hasn't immediately jumped to the obvious solution of showing the public that The Flash exists (Why is Barry keeping The Flash's existence a secret from the public in the first place?)

The reason his father is in prison is that no one believes that a yellow/red streak exists, but now that Barry has powers, surely he could show them (as The Flash, if he wanted to keep his identity a secret) and surely that could help to sway a jury, especially considering how that's all it took for Joe to be convinced.

2. Why haven't they talked about perhaps telling the people of Central City that there's an untold number of dangerous meta-humans afoot in the city, and that maybe they should get out if they can?

That all being said, I'm fine if this stuff never comes up. CW and whatnot. At least the show's fun.

 

[Travesty]

I wouldn't say she's superfluous, at all. Granted, she's not the most important character, but she's not completely useless.

 

[Tv's Phil]

I think some of that stuff will be dealt with eventually.
It's early yet.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Where does the chin piece go when Barry's mask come off?

 

[Sterling Archer]

It still bugs me any time one of the villains can land a punch on Barry. It's just dumb how he is shown to be able to move so fast that time stands still yet when he gets into a fight he tries to fight like a regular guy. Also there was way too much expositional dialogue. I mean we get it writers, you don't have to keep telling us Barry's mother was murdered 14 years ago, we are capable of remembering, and there a bunch more things that keep coming up unnaturally in conversation. That being said, I still had fun with this episode.

 

[ThePreface]

After watching the all three my only problem with this show was what I expected. Growing pains. Actors still breaking into their roles which is normal. Everything else is on point and thankfully the Flash had the luxury of piggy-backing off Arrow's trial and errors. It could benefit from adopting more of a X-Files/Fringe formula. Tying case of the week closer to the over-arching plot.

 

[TheHighlander]

It still bugs me any time one of the villains can land a punch on Barry. It's just dumb how he is shown to be able to move so fast that time stands still yet when he gets into a fight he tries to fight like a regular guy. Also there was way too much expositional dialogue. I mean we get it writers, you don't have to keep telling us Barry's mother was murdered 14 years ago, we are capable of remembering, and there a bunch more things that keep coming up unnaturally in conversation. That being said, I still had fun with this episode.

Force = mass x acceleration.... my guess is that if barry were to hit someone with his speed he would actually explode the guy with a punch and maybe even really break his arm in 10 pieces too. Although it will heal, but.... I am guessing 1) he doesn't want to kill and 2) he is still learning how to use his powers. He is young.. he has had his powers for 3 episodes (3 months). Give him time, he will get better at it.

 

[BoredGuy]

This show is now officially reaching the breaking point for me

I've been giving it a chance, and will give it one or two more, but seriously, if the acting, writing, plots, and (some) special fx don't all take a SERIOUS step up, I'll be droppin the show.
Every character not named "Barry" is just absolutely awful; now whether that has to do with the actors themselves or the dialogue they're given, I'm still not positive. But it's painful to watch many times. Barry's "team" in particular are all just really, really terrible, and I'm sorry, maybe it's just because I've seen scrubs too much, but I can't buy JD's idiot brother as an evil super genius.
I also think the whole monster-of-the-week thing seems to just be a bad idea these days. It didn't work for SHIELD in season one, so they more or less dropped it. More focus on the Reverse-Flash mystery would help this show immensely.

and they really have to stop doing that head-on running shot of Flash.
The VFX look bad, and it does the costume no favors. They need to stick to the profile shots while he's running.

 

[Paradox1]

Apparently Ronnie Raymond gave a shout out to Agents of Shield when he said Tahiti was a magical place. I did not catch that when it aired last night.

 

[Mister J]

I was expecting a Firestorm tease in the 'post-episode' spot, but more Wells evil scheming ain't bad.

 

[Travesty]

After watching the all three my only problem with this show was what I expected. Growing pains. Actors still breaking into their roles which is normal. Everything else is on point and thankfully the Flash had the luxury of piggy-backing off Arrow's trial and errors. It could benefit from adopting more of a X-Files/Fringe formula. Tying case of the week closer to the over-arching plot.

But they are doing that with the Wells plot. Same thing with X-Files. They didn't outright tell you what the Smoking Man was up to all the time, just that he had an agenda in the background. Same thing here with Wells.

 

[Mikelus]

Well, significant ratings drop, now is over 3.3 million viewers: http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/20...-forever-rise-person-of-interest-flat/318037/

It happened to Arrow after the pilot, it seems the CW can't keep 4 million viewers (or more) for any show. For now is not a big deal (unless it keeps dropping), a CW show is safe unless it drops to less than 1.5 million. What is going to happen though, is a big budget cut next season, meaning the SFX are not going to be as good, but we'll see how they manage it.

The episode was ok, but Barry's little speeches after the intro are getting old, this is not a freaking cartoon, they should drop it. Also, if he's so powerful to take a guy driving a car, handcuffed him and put him in the police car just like that, then he should take care of most villains, including the Rogues, without a sweat. But of course, he won't be so efficient because... plot convenience!! Which is lazy writing, but since is the same people from Arrow, we can't expect much better unfortunately.

The villain was just another mediocre cartoonish freak of the week... it will be better with Capt. Cold & the Rogues, but if we're going to get lame freaks of the week most of the time, they're going to lose more viewers for sure. And it seems a good ol' love triangle is not enough anymore, so now we have Barry, Iris, Felicity and Caitlin now in the mix! Just what the doctor ordered I guess.

The best part was the character development, specially, Caitlin, Ronnie and Cisco, it makes them more interesting. And Mr Wells, he keep us guessing, but after his secret is revealed and he's defeated by Barry, I don't think the show will be as good, time will tell.

 

[famicommander]

Another very good episode. Not as strong as the pilot, but a bit stronger than episode 2 in my book.

I like all three episodes better than any individual episode of Arrow, and I do enjoy that show as well.

Three episodes in, this is my favorite live action super hero show since Adam West's Batman.

 

[famicommander]

Well, significant ratings drop, now is over 3.3 million viewers: http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/20...-forever-rise-person-of-interest-flat/318037/

It happened to Arrow after the pilot, it seems the CW can't keep 4 million viewers (or more) for any show. For now is not a big deal (unless it keeps dropping), a CW show is safe unless it drops to less than 1.5 million. What is going to happen though, is a big budget cut next season, meaning the SFX are not going to be as good, but we'll see how they manage it.

Game One of the World Series was on last night. I would imagine that had a lot to do with the ratings decline, and I would bet the DVR/streaming numbers will be better this week than last because of it.

Given Arrow averaged ~3.68 million live viewers for its first entire season, I'd say we can expect a slightly higher total average when Flash's first season is done. Maybe 3.75 million or so.

 

[Silliminite]

Game One of the World Series was on last night. I would imagine that had a lot to do with the ratings decline, and I would bet the DVR/streaming numbers will be better this week than last because of it.

Given Arrow averaged ~3.68 million live viewers for its first entire season, I'd say we can expect a slightly higher total average when Flash's first season is done. Maybe 3.75 million or so.

That's a relief. Hope the show doesn't undergo a budget cut.